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holfresh
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7/23/2006  5:23 PM

He F'ed up big time by hiring a coach who wanted his job...

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7/23/2006  5:26 PM
Posted by Marv:

earl

time for a reality check

isiah has F'd up

with a capital F

in case you haven't noticed

i dig you and everything man

but get real

You're still stuck in the past! This is a new year and this is a new day. Why not join us in the present :)

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7/23/2006  5:28 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Marv:

earl

time for a reality check

isiah has F'd up

with a capital F

in case you haven't noticed

i dig you and everything man

but get real

You're still stuck in the past! This is a new year and this is a new day. Why not join us in the present :)

the past informs the present my man.

you happy with where we are?

we didn't need to be here.
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7/23/2006  5:33 PM
Marv - you know I respect you as well.

I'm keepin' it real.

Training camp is still months away, the regular season hasn't started and some want to handg their heads and surrender in July

Are we not men?

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7/23/2006  5:39 PM
I still don't understand how Isiah Thomas gets a pass with some people on this board. You all like to say you are rooting for the Knicks and get on other people who have different views than you, but are you rooting for the Knick? Or are you just rooting for Isiah Thomas?

Isiah Thomas hasn't got the job done since he's been here. I liked the Stephon Marbury trade when it occurred becuase I felt both the Knicks and Marbury needed the trade but Marbury has done absolutely nothing to show that he's any different than where he's been at any other stop in his career and his childish ways and stranglehold on this franchise has only strengthed each year passes and he gets what he wants.

Isiah has been given nearly an unlimited amount of resources and he has nothing to show for it except 3 straight seasons where the Knicks record has gotten worse each year. Isiah's had the luxury of hiring 3 Head Coaches(4 including Isiah himself) in his 3 year-stint and all 3 have been subsuquently fired. How does this solidfy a direction? I'm also tired of hearing how Isiah was put in this payrole situation when he got here. Isiah entered as the GM when the payrole was 80something million, it has now ballooned 125million and when the tradedeadline nears this year, that number will surely go up, when another GM around the league has a highpriced vet whose looking for a change of scenery. Isiah has shown absolutely no bargaining acumen, he was absolutely hosed in the Eddy Curry deal, he gave Jerome James an obscene amount of money, he failed . The only thing you can say Isiah has done well is draft and he has drafted a few nice players in Frye, Lee and Nate. There just is not one other aspect Isiah even comes close to getting a C grade in other than drafting.

Isiah's had his 3years and now he's looking to jump onto the offensive scheme that creates more smokescreens then a 4alarm fire. The Knicks are going to win more games this year just by sheer luck and offensive outburts but defense is the key to playing this system, there are teams that play this style that is tempered down and actually play defense along with it. Looking at the Knicks roster, I don't see much defense that is going to be played in this system, making this system one huge smokescreen for Isiah to get 35 victories and save his job. Isiah will then continue to say that this franchise is rebuilding and that he won't set the franchise back with his moves but then he will keep contradicting that statement by going out and getting players like Francis, JRose, Jerome James, Mo Taylor, MRose and lose young promising players such as Jackie Butler and Q Woods.

Isiah's time is up. It's time for the New York Knicks to go out, take David Sterns advice and hire a GM that actually knows what he is doing and has a track record for doing so and then and ONLY then will the Knicks have a shot in the playoffs again.
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7/23/2006  5:42 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Marv:

earl

time for a reality check

isiah has F'd up

with a capital F

in case you haven't noticed

i dig you and everything man

but get real

You're still stuck in the past! This is a new year and this is a new day. Why not join us in the present :)

the past informs the present my man.

you happy with where we are?

we didn't need to be here.

OK what's wrong with where we're at at this point? The season hasn't even started. From what I see there is even more reason to get behind this team this year than there was last year, when most thought the team would be able to make the playoffs under LB. For one thing the kids on the team have matured another year and also will be more familiar with each other. The coach and players fit each other perfectly as opposed to last year. We added a couple good defensive role players that we needed for the future. We know Curry a key component has been working out with Aguirre all summer. So what is all this negative talk about?

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7/23/2006  5:52 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Isiah's had his 3years and now he's looking to jump onto the offensive scheme that creates more smokescreens then a 4alarm fire. The Knicks are going to win more games this year just by sheer luck and offensive outburts but defense is the key to playing this system, there are teams that play this style that is tempered down and actually play defense along with it.
How is the offense smokescreens, when its basically parts of some of the greatest offenses ever? You seem to have a bias against Isiah that is understandable but not right. The Knicks will win games on LUCK and offensive outbursts? You highly underestimate what Isiah is doing with this team. He's gonna have them playing defense. While we may not be the best defensive team in the league we'll be respectable, however offensively we'll be one of the better teams in the league and that's nothing to look down on. You have to be good on BOTH sides of the ball to win a title, so I think Isiah is on the right path at this stage in the teams development.

You must not have been paying attention cuz we do have some defensive players, just not a top defensive team like Detroit, but then few teams are. Miami isn't a shut down defensive team and they just won!
Posted by nyk4ever:

Looking at the Knicks roster, I don't see much defense that is going to be played in this system, making this system one huge smokescreen for Isiah to get 35 victories and save his job. Isiah will then continue to say that this franchise is rebuilding and that he won't set the franchise back with his moves but then he will keep contradicting that statement by going out and getting players like Francis, JRose, Jerome James, Mo Taylor, MRose and lose young promising players such as Jackie Butler and Q Woods.
You have no proof that Isiah will play those vets over the kids. Did you see Isiah coach this team last year... NO, that was Larry. He hasn't done any of the things you suggest and I see no reason why he would. His best players are his young players. Why would he want to suddenly trade his young players who he hasn't sent in any deals so far? It seems to me that he's solidly moving towards developing this young squad.

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7/23/2006  6:18 PM
Say What?

Isiah had unlimited resources nyk4ever?

If that was the case he could have just stayed pat with what he inherited.

Is that what you wanted?

Six years - minimum... just like the Bulls and hawks ...waiting for contracts like Houstons to expire and starting from scratch.

He went on the offensive and was aggressive.

Unlimited resources?

Or a capped-out roster of retreads and aging veterans?

Look again at the Knicks roster of 2003.

Please



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7/23/2006  6:27 PM
>> I still don't understand how Isiah Thomas gets a pass with some people on this board.

nyk4ever - no one is suggesting giving Isiah "a pass" whatever that means.

He's on the clock with Dolan after 2.5 years as GM. He's on the hot seat as ead coach. He's a big boy, he'll respond the same way he did as a player. He'll come out fighting and the knicks who make the roster will take on that same personality.

They will fight.

Time will tell what 2006-7 brings.

Why are so many conceding, or rooting for, Knicks defeat?

Wishing and hoping for an 0-82 season speaks to something else in play.
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7/23/2006  6:35 PM
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Posted by misterearl:

Say What?

Isiah had unlimited resources nyk4ever?

If that was the case he could have just stayed pat with what he inherited.

Is that what you wanted?

Six years - minimum... just like the Bulls and hawks ...waiting for contracts like Houstons to expire and starting from scratch.

He went on the offensive and was aggressive.

Unlimited resources?

Or a capped-out roster of retreads and aging veterans?

Look again at the Knicks roster of 2003.

Please




Why do you compare the Bulls and the Hawks witht he Knicks? Isiah has had financial latitude these teams can only dream about. He's spent over 500mm $ in less than 3 years, gone through how many coaches--this is not rebuilding. Of COURSE you are going to have some talent on your team when you outspend everyone 2-3-4-5 to 1. People blame LB, but who makes the decision to hire him and pay him so much? Take the time to look at this--Isiah has spent more in 2.5 years than the Clippers have spent in 25 years. Go check it out and you get real. There is ) NO comparison to a rebuilding job other than we have the record to be pick 2 and 7.
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7/23/2006  6:42 PM
Posted by nixluva:


How is the offense smokescreens, when its basically parts of some of the greatest offenses ever? You seem to have a bias against Isiah that is understandable but not right. The Knicks will win games on LUCK and offensive outbursts? You highly underestimate what Isiah is doing with this team. He's gonna have them playing defense. While we may not be the best defensive team in the league we'll be respectable, however offensively we'll be one of the better teams in the league and that's nothing to look down on. You have to be good on BOTH sides of the ball to win a title, so I think Isiah is on the right path at this stage in the teams development.

You must not have been paying attention cuz we do have some defensive players, just not a top defensive team like Detroit, but then few teams are. Miami isn't a shut down defensive team and they just won!
I find it funny that you keep saying, I haven't seen Isiah coach this team yet, yet you say that he will have them playing defense. What makes you so sure that this team is going to play defense. Marbury, Francis, Curry, Jalen, when have these guys played defense ever in their career? 3 of them are in the starting lineup, that is a HUGE glaring problem. And please don't compare the Knicks to the Heat, the heat have Shaquille and Dwayne Wade and are coached by one of the best coaches in NBA history. Wheres the Knicks Zo, wheres the Knicks James Posey.

Don't start spouting off all prophetic about how great this offense is when you haven't seen it aside from summerleague games when you got guys playing who are looking for jobs in the NBA. This offense has the potential to work great but it requires a HUGE amount of work and attention to defense. There is not one single really good defensive player on the Knicks, couple that with players that are pathetic on defense and you got one big defensive problem.

You have no proof that Isiah will play those vets over the kids. Did you see Isiah coach this team last year... NO, that was Larry. He hasn't done any of the things you suggest and I see no reason why he would. His best players are his young players. Why would he want to suddenly trade his young players who he hasn't sent in any deals so far? It seems to me that he's solidly moving towards developing this young squad.

I'll say the same thing to you, you have no proof that Isiah will play the kids over the vets. Did you see Isiah coach at all? His team lost in the 1stRound 3 straight years. Good news for Knicks fans huh! Yeah he's moving so solidly at developing this young team that he let go of the teams best center last year and he is 20yrs old. Looks real great.

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7/23/2006  6:47 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Say What?

Isiah had unlimited resources nyk4ever?

If that was the case he could have just stayed pat with what he inherited.

Is that what you wanted?

Six years - minimum... just like the Bulls and hawks ...waiting for contracts like Houstons to expire and starting from scratch.

He went on the offensive and was aggressive.

Unlimited resources?

Or a capped-out roster of retreads and aging veterans?

Look again at the Knicks roster of 2003.

Please

Isiah has spent millions upon millions of dollars even WHILE being over the salary cap. What does that tell you? That tells you the team he's working for has a immense amount of resources. If Isiah had stood pat and allowed some contracts to come off the books like EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE NBA DOES, then we could have been looking at a team vying for Free Agency, instead FA is nowhere in sight.

And yes, I would have liked him to stand pat becuase since he's been here its been 3 years of pathetic play, then when he gets fired a new GM will come in and will have the same problem. Add another 3-6 years and now we're up to 9 years. Isiah has done a pathetic job of putting this team together. He's consistantly gotten players that no one else wanted and he will overpay for them. Great!
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7/23/2006  6:57 PM

Nix, Earl, with all due respect, you're pissing in the wind...Put one your rain coats because they will the spitting this rhetoric until Isiah proves them wrong...That's getting to the playoffs next year...Even then they will claim it's a schmockery...Get ready for this board to empty really quickly when the Knicks start winning...I don't think there are many here who will admit they were wrong when the time comes....I guess we will see...
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7/23/2006  7:00 PM
Posted by nixluva:



Now with regard to our Guards we have a TON of versatility on the squad and Isiah knows just how to take advantage of that strength. I think we're gonna see a very strong pace set this year and teams will have to try and match our speed and aggression on offense. The floor should be spaced a LOT better than it was last year with far less standing around. More players will be in motion during every possession and this will allow so much more room for Curry to operate. All those back cuts and picks will have defenses missing assignments all night and over the course of the season the team should start to master the offense and really take advantage of teams. Unlike LB's offense teams won't be able to sag off of our guards cuz they'll be a constant threat to shoot or penetrate. Can't you see how this team has a chance to be so much better than last year.

do you really believe the reason the offense stagnated because LB's sets called for little movement. I recall plenty of action involving Rip AI and Reggie before they ever touched the ball. Those same sets made Crawford look like a legit starting 2 the last month of the season. plays like the backdoor lobs to Eddy aren't from 1962. Its not the O its the personnel required to run it. Guys who can make quick reads and on the fly adjustments are not these Knicks.

top it off its an [unselfish] point guard driven O and Steph's come down, pass it to a wing, and fade into oblivion were more to do with it than anything. Steph doesn't cut. Steph doesn't look to free up others by setting picks. Steph doesn't work his way all around the court. You can draw a perfect triangle out from the front of the rim to the 3 point line to show almost inclusively where Stephon plays.

NY looked so good with KVH and Houston + Steph because they knew how to play. They had the court sense to mask Steph's limited amount. NY has gotten decidedly worst with every trade because Isiah kept bringing in guys who don't know how to play. Those guys just helped to magnify Steph's flaws as a floor leader.
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7/23/2006  8:11 PM
Sure and when the team was winning games and looking good doing it during that 6 game streak it wasn't due to Steph playing his game? PLEASE!!! LB is a mediocre offensive coach and his teams are almost never improved under him offensively. Defensively yes, but on offense his teams rarely prove to be better under him.

I don't have to see Isiah coaching the whole team when its clear to me that he has a better handle on what to do with this team than LB did. You don't here Isiah saying he doesn't know what to do with this team. LB was LOST.

Let me remind some of you that the only team LB won a title with in the NBA was ALREADY a 50 win team and if not for Dumars getting him Rasheed, LB would still be ringless in his NBA career. Hell if Wade isn't injured he might not have even won his one Ring. LB is a good coach, but he's not right for every team and certainly not for this team. That doesn't mean that this team can't win, only that LB couldn't figure out how to win with this roster just like he couldn't win with the Olympic team. Tell me how he managed to mess that up with all that talent? Don't try to tell me it was Steph's fault, cuz then I lose ALL RESPECT for your basketball knowledge.
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7/23/2006  8:22 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Sure and when the team was winning games and looking good doing it during that 6 game streak it wasn't due to Steph playing his game? PLEASE!!! LB is a mediocre offensive coach and his teams are almost never improved under him offensively. Defensively yes, but on offense his teams rarely prove to be better under him.

I don't have to see Isiah coaching the whole team when its clear to me that he has a better handle on what to do with this team than LB did. You don't here Isiah saying he doesn't know what to do with this team. LB was LOST.

Let me remind some of you that the only team LB won a title with in the NBA was ALREADY a 50 win team and if not for Dumars getting him Rasheed, LB would still be ringless in his NBA career. Hell if Wade isn't injured he might not have even won his one Ring. LB is a good coach, but he's not right for every team and certainly not for this team. That doesn't mean that this team can't win, only that LB couldn't figure out how to win with this roster just like he couldn't win with the Olympic team. Tell me how he managed to mess that up with all that talent? Don't try to tell me it was Steph's fault, cuz then I lose ALL RESPECT for your basketball knowledge.

I guess that means that Larry, Lenny and Herb were all lost too when it came to coaching this amazing team with players that work so hard.

Theres a reason that Isiah was able to get some of the guys he has gotten, it's becuase they weren't welcomed back by the team that Isiah got them from! Curry, Steph, Crawford, Francis. All these guys were able to be had because for whatever reason, the coaches and the players that played with them were sick of them. Out of all of them, Jamal is the only that has proved to be one that works hard at making his game and the players games around him better. Marbury and Francis have never once curtailed their games to better suit the players playing around them, which is why they've both been moved various times throughout their careers. Eddy Curry doesn't want to lose weight and doesn't want to give the proper effort defensively which is why Skiles hated him.

It's this type of Me-First attitude and selfishness that sickens me when I watch these Knicks. I've never seen a group of players so poorly put together, with such terrible attitudes.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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7/23/2006  8:36 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I guess that means that Larry, Lenny and Herb were all lost too when it came to coaching this amazing team with players that work so hard.

Excuse me but I don't recall Lenny or Herb coaching the majority of the players on this team!!! Please don't compare what Larry had to what Lenny and Herb had. This team is much more equipped to compete than those teams. Larry severely underachieved as a coach.
Posted by nyk4ever:

Theres a reason that Isiah was able to get some of the guys he has gotten, it's becuase they weren't welcomed back by the team that Isiah got them from! Curry, Steph, Crawford, Francis. All these guys were able to be had because for whatever reason, the coaches and the players that played with them were sick of them. Out of all of them, Jamal is the only that has proved to be one that works hard at making his game and the players games around him better. Marbury and Francis have never once curtailed their games to better suit the players playing around them, which is why they've both been moved various times throughout their careers. Eddy Curry doesn't want to lose weight and doesn't want to give the proper effort defensively which is why Skiles hated him.

It's this type of Me-First attitude and selfishness that sickens me when I watch these Knicks. I've never seen a group of players so poorly put together, with such terrible attitudes.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

You can say these things about some of the players we have and I won't argue that they have baggage. However they aren't the whole team. We have other players who don't have that kind of history and these players are part of the teams future too. Or does Frye, Lee, Nate, Qrich, Balkman and Collins not count? I think that we will see a different kind of commitment from Curry and a renewed spirit from Steph and Francis. This is too early to just assume that this team won't be able to play well and from everything i've seen MOST of the key players are VERY excited about this coming year and are preparing as they should to be ready to contribute. That's all we can ask at this point. But you guys go on and keep living in the past and enjoy hating on everything Knicks. Don't think we'll forget all this crap you've been saying this summer when you all come crawling back to get on the bandwagon.
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7/23/2006  9:16 PM
nyk4ever - you don't trade players, you trade contracts

It ain't that deep. Isiah is charged with gaining coherance from the players he acquired. I am convinced the roster is NOT totally composed of dreck as you claim. Some of them can actually play basketball. To the extent they learn to play as a TEAM will determine their level of sucess.

Kobe is in LA, Bron is in Cleveland and DWade is in Miami. We have Channing, Eddy and David Lee in the frontcourt. We might even have Paul Miller drop a few unexpected jumpers.

Contrary to the doomsayers and frustrated pessimists, I expect this new squad to play with confidence, grit and trust.

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7/23/2006  9:20 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nixluva:



Now with regard to our Guards we have a TON of versatility on the squad and Isiah knows just how to take advantage of that strength. I think we're gonna see a very strong pace set this year and teams will have to try and match our speed and aggression on offense. The floor should be spaced a LOT better than it was last year with far less standing around. More players will be in motion during every possession and this will allow so much more room for Curry to operate. All those back cuts and picks will have defenses missing assignments all night and over the course of the season the team should start to master the offense and really take advantage of teams. Unlike LB's offense teams won't be able to sag off of our guards cuz they'll be a constant threat to shoot or penetrate. Can't you see how this team has a chance to be so much better than last year.

do you really believe the reason the offense stagnated because LB's sets called for little movement. I recall plenty of action involving Rip AI and Reggie before they ever touched the ball. Those same sets made Crawford look like a legit starting 2 the last month of the season. plays like the backdoor lobs to Eddy aren't from 1962. Its not the O its the personnel required to run it. Guys who can make quick reads and on the fly adjustments are not these Knicks.

top it off its an [unselfish] point guard driven O and Steph's come down, pass it to a wing, and fade into oblivion were more to do with it than anything. Steph doesn't cut. Steph doesn't look to free up others by setting picks. Steph doesn't work his way all around the court. You can draw a perfect triangle out from the front of the rim to the 3 point line to show almost inclusively where Stephon plays.

NY looked so good with KVH and Houston + Steph because they knew how to play. They had the court sense to mask Steph's limited amount. NY has gotten decidedly worst with every trade because Isiah kept bringing in guys who don't know how to play. Those guys just helped to magnify Steph's flaws as a floor leader.

And then Isiah hired Larry "the basketball Diety" Brown. The great teacher who was supposed to teach them how to play the "right way". His right way led to 23 wins.....and nice check for a sh!!ty job that he never seemed to be interested in. Sounds like your typical NY Substitute "teacher" to me.

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7/23/2006  9:24 PM
Posted by nixluva:


Excuse me but I don't recall Lenny or Herb coaching the majority of the players on this team!!! Please don't compare what Larry had to what Lenny and Herb had. This team is much more equipped to compete than those teams. Larry severely underachieved as a coach.
I still don't understand how this team is "equipped to compete" when the players on this team have never competed in their lives. Sure Marbury and Francis made the playoffs, but neither ever got out of the 1st round. Why on Earth would you want to build your team around players that have never seen the 2nd round of the playoffs and they are both 30 years old? Larry underachieved as a coach, theres no debating that, but Francis, Marbury, Curry, Jerome James, Mo Taylor all underachieved as players. If they had shown up ONCE together the Knicks would have been a different story but they never did becuase their ego's were too big. The inmates run this asylum, make no mistake about it.
We have other players who don't have that kind of history and these players are part of the teams future too. Or does Frye, Lee, Nate, Qrich, Balkman and Collins not count?
Who knows if Balkman and Collins will ever see the floor. Collins has to move past 4 players on the depth chart to see the light of day on the floor. I think he should be playing, but he never will while Steph, Francis, NAte, Crawford are on this team.
I think that we will see a different kind of commitment from Curry and a renewed spirit from Steph and Francis. This is too early to just assume that this team won't be able to play well and from everything i've seen MOST of the key players are VERY excited about this coming year and are preparing as they should to be ready to contribute. That's all we can ask at this point. But you guys go on and keep living in the past and enjoy hating on everything Knicks. Don't think we'll forget all this crap you've been saying this summer when you all come crawling back to get on the bandwagon.

I just don't set myself up to be disappointed like you guys do. I look at this team, I see what kind of players its made up of. Sure there are guys like Frye, Lee, Crawford who try hard but the rest are just a bunch of bums who have never once been a different player or have a different attitude than they do now(Marbury, Francis, Curry, JRose, MoT, Big Snacks) they've been the same everywhere they went. Now all the sudden their going to change? Sure it's nice to think it will happen but I live in reality and reality bites.



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-23-2006 9:25 PM]
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