Posted by holfresh:


You don't build a winner overnight...Look at it this way...We had Frye, Curry, Marbs and Lee...The type of players we haven't had on this roster since the Ewing days...Guys with big talent that can grow into something..Maybe Marbs is there already...But lets say 3 of our young guys come into their own in the next 2 years we have a foundation that could last the next 10 years....That's waht I see when I look at this team...Every move he makes isn't going to be the best or one you will agree because he had to take chances based on where we were( not a lot of talent on the roster and over the cap with our leading players with knee injuries and making boatloads). Thats why you see trades like Curry, he had to gamble...

Guys it's not an overnight deal...But we may have a foundation..Let's let them play...

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by fishmike:

this may shock people but I have ZERO worries or concerns about Isiah coaching the offense. If you watched him w/ the Pacers he was great at getting different guys the ball and creating looks that were very hard to defend. Eddie will get his shots and a lot of garbage points off our guards getting in the lane. Isiah will so a good job there, I think its his strength. What hurt him in Indy were his sub patterns were simply bizaare, and his time out/game managment was even worse. Those two things cost him playoff series. His teams were ready and prepared to play, and they played well. He simply got outcoached when the minutes and seconds started to count.

See he isn't the demon seed you guys make him out to be, support our team. I supported the last coach too and got down on him after watching the games. My voice will also be loud if Thomas can't produce, I'm all about seeing the Knicks win

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by martin:

you go killa. LB is brainwashing the rest of us just as much as Marbury and Isiah are brainwashing you. Thanks for brining that up.

Well my main point is, having a pass-first pg, was never the most important thing in the world until LB said so. Afterwords, guys here were pining for Speedy Claxton, Brevrin Knight, etc., other veteran guys who have never won anything anywhere, but were pass first. Thats my only point.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by fishmike:

this may shock people but I have ZERO worries or concerns about Isiah coaching the offense. If you watched him w/ the Pacers he was great at getting different guys the ball and creating looks that were very hard to defend. Eddie will get his shots and a lot of garbage points off our guards getting in the lane. Isiah will so a good job there, I think its his strength. What hurt him in Indy were his sub patterns were simply bizaare, and his time out/game managment was even worse. Those two things cost him playoff series. His teams were ready and prepared to play, and they played well. He simply got outcoached when the minutes and seconds started to count.

See he isn't the demon seed you guys make him out to be, support our team. I supported the last coach too and got down on him after watching the games. My voice will also be loud if Thomas can't produce, I'm all about seeing the Knicks win

how much did you support Scott Layden?

I supported him just like any new guy we have on the team until he started trying to make the Knicks Utah East. The least he should have gotton us was Malone and Stockon

Posted by Bippity10:

Holfresh it's not about talent. Everyone knows we have talent, it's about the make-up. Think about it. We hired LB. LB is a great coach. Look how he mixed with the roster. We have developed a roster where we need the perfect coach, to prepare the perfect system and treat the players in the perfect way so that they will promise to play hard for you and me. That type of atmosphere just infects the talent that we bring here. Sooner or later we will have to change the atmosphere. 23 wins and accepting the status quo because we blame it all on brown is a poor plan. It's as poor as building your entire team around a guy that is coming off major knee surgery.

If you really want to see a jump in progress for this team. If you want to see Nate and Lee and Frye really develop then you have to trim the fat. Get rid of the excuse playing vets and replace them with vets that have won. Why? Because they will teach the young guys what it takes to win. That's what we need.All the complaining and excuse making is so infectious that we now have fans doing it as well after a 23 win season. Bring in guys that will teach the young guys that talk is cheap and making excuses gets you no where. Then we will turn from a 40 win team with a questionable future to a 35 win team where the sky is the limit.

Do not think for a second that Isiah will not trade nate, Lee or Frye to save his job. It's time to erase these conditions so that our coach's don't have to coach this way no matter what their names are.

Posted by Vmart:

Curry needs to develop his skill level. I wish people would stop calling him the next Shaq and what not. Because Shaq is one of the least skilled player that I have ever see. Curry should be aiming to be like Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Jabbar, Moses not Shaq because one he isn't as big as him and two to duplicate Shaq means never really getting better.

If curry wants to be great then he really needs to develop a skill set that will make him a 20-10 player on a consistent basis.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Vmart:

Curry needs to develop his skill level. I wish people would stop calling him the next Shaq and what not. Because Shaq is one of the least skilled player that I have ever see. Curry should be aiming to be like Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Jabbar, Moses not Shaq because one he isn't as big as him and two to duplicate Shaq means never really getting better.

If curry wants to be great then he really needs to develop a skill set that will make him a 20-10 player on a consistent basis.

You would be pissed if Curry turned out to be Shaq?

after what we gave up, he better be five times the player Shaq is and win 15 rings!

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

You guys went from talking about Eddie Curry being in shape. To bringing up Marburys track record. What a suprise.

Eddie Curry one on one post up is not the best thing for Eddie Curry or the Knicks. Eddie Curry is best off the guards penitration. Curry is T.O & foul prone when he post up without establishing deep position which he either takes to long or fails to do. Which drives guards nuts. And he isn't a great passer out of the post either. So how does running an offense through Eddie Curry help Curry or the Knicks.

Eddie Curry played his best when we went on the 6 game win streak when Marbury & Crawford & Nate were doing there thing and opening up the offense for Curry & Frye & Lee & Taylor.

Curry right now is a role player. Who has the size and physical tools to do damage without plays being called for him. He isn't a great rebounder or shotblocker either. Until Curry develops a consistant go to post move. And learns to pass out of the post. During games he should just be a role player to gets 11-12 attempts. Mostly off the guards, & broken plays, & offensive rebs a game scoring at a high % giving you 16-18pts and 6rebs.

Same with Frye. He needs to work his ass off on the other aspect of his game in practice & the offseason. But during games he needs to stick with his bread and butter. Hit jumpers, jump hooks, run the floor, put backs, finish on the break.

Why would you give up 2 first rounders for a role player?