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McK1
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7/6/2006  9:38 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I like these threads because it is easier for me to see who actually has no allegance to the team and only allegance to brown.

He won 23 games and he has a method to his madness, but zeke has to win 43 or he sucks.

mck1, islesfan, nyk4ever...you are now in the full of **** list when you say you are a knick fan...as you only bash the few brightspots we have...rather than say ..
wow, it looks like the kids are really ready to contribute and the environment change might help
you say
these guys are pussies and babies

the pussies and babies are you three because you are still crying over spilled brown.

I never liked Frye anyway and noones crying over Brown dumbass.

Bashing Brown doesn't equate to the kids are ready to contribute. that is the dumbest **** being vomitted.

"Brown held me back...Brown held me back"

NO the inability of these stiffs to make on court adjustments to anything the defense was doing held them back.

you're in the dunk booth heckling. STFU and watch what does happen



[Edited by - McK1 on 07-06-2006 09:40 AM]
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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7/6/2006  9:38 AM
Posted by codeunknown:
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And who's to say a positive environment translates into more wins in the long run anyhow?
Everyone who calls Steph a cancer and claims that him being a bad teammate and a generally not nice guy are the reason teams lose with him on it; thats who.

the same people who talk about how the Suns win because they love each other so much, etc.

the same people who post quotes from Tim Thomas about how bad a treammate Steph was and why that made him play poorly.


Those are different scenarios. A player doesn't have the authority to dominate and control the environment like the coach does. The coach is 100% of the vision behind the gameplan, the rapport with coaches etc. If he wants it a certain way, its not the player's position to interfere.

I've never cared whether Steph is a cancer or normal or a piece of degenerative tissue. I'm more interested in the on-court dynamic. And there, Stephon has positives and flaws. So, what those people may think is irrelevant to a discussion between me and you.

The Suns loving each other is crap - in other words, not the major factor behind their impressive performance. Again, talent and strategy and implementation are my interests. I happen to like Stephon - he isn't the issue. The point I was making was about the correlation between a perceived comfort level and level of performance. Mainly, that it isn't necessarily positive.
I respect that point. But it really isn't their happiness thats the key factor. Its the fact that they know their roles, and know hard play will be rewarded, thats actually why they are happy. As opposed to an atmosphere where there are no rewards, or consistancy or rhyme or reason for any of the decisions.

Thats my point, they are happy because things finally make sense, not because they think Isiah is such a nice guy; because I am certain he is not effing around with these guys at all, his professional life is on the line.
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7/6/2006  9:39 AM
when will they stop with all this bravado and he said/she said crap and concentrate on what's best for the team and the franchise?

dj - When the media stops pressing the players with the same questions.

djsu - Imagine how you would work under the same scrutiny, and opinion, every day of the week?

At least now the players have an opportunity to breathe, open up and get back to eventually playing better basketball. What is wrong with a player voicing his opinion instead of bottling his feelings inside for some other random interpretation?

Get it on the table. Vent all you want David Lee. Nate? Express Yourself. Channing - you are the future captain of the Knicks so you may as well speak your intelligent mind right now and get in the habit of having microphones shoved in your face after every game. Win or lose.

I have no problem with a player faciing the media and speaking honestly.

Better to get it on the table in your own words.

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7/6/2006  9:40 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by codeunknown:

And who's to say a positive environment translates into more wins in the long run anyhow?
Everyone who calls Steph a cancer and claims that him being a bad teammate and a generally not nice guy are the reason teams lose with him on it; thats who.

the same people who talk about how the Suns win because they love each other so much, etc.

the same people who post quotes from Tim Thomas about how bad a treammate Steph was and why that made him play poorly.


Those are different scenarios. A player doesn't have the authority to dominate and control the environment like the coach does. The coach is 100% of the vision behind the gameplan, the rapport with coaches etc. If he wants it a certain way, its not the player's position to interfere.

I've never cared whether Steph is a cancer or normal or a piece of degenerative tissue. I'm more interested in the on-court dynamic. And there, Stephon has positives and flaws. So, what those people may think is irrelevant to a discussion between me and you.

The Suns loving each other is crap - in other words, not the major factor behind their impressive performance. Again, talent and strategy and implementation are my interests. I happen to like Stephon - he isn't the issue. The point I was making was about the correlation between a perceived comfort level and level of performance. Mainly, that it isn't necessarily positive.
I respect that point. But it really isn't their happiness thats the key factor. Its the fact that they know their roles, and know hard play will be rewarded, thats actually why they are happy. As opposed to an atmosphere where there are no rewards, or consistancy or rhyme or reason for any of the decisions.

Thats my point, they are happy because things finally make sense, not because they think Isiah is such a nice guy; because I am certain he is not effing around with these guys at all, his professional life is on the line.

they're happy b/c they have a pg that will give them the ball when their open.
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7/6/2006  9:41 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by codeunknown:



Those are different scenarios. A player doesn't have the authority to dominate and control the environment like the coach does. The coach is 100% of the vision behind the gameplan, the rapport with coaches etc. If he wants it a certain way, its not the player's position to interfere.

I've never cared whether Steph is a cancer or normal or a piece of degenerative tissue. I'm more interested in the on-court dynamic. And there, Stephon has positives and flaws. So, what those people may think is irrelevant to a discussion between me and you.

The Suns loving each other is crap - in other words, not the major factor behind their impressive performance. Again, talent and strategy and implementation are my interests. I happen to like Stephon - he isn't the issue. The point I was making was about the correlation between a perceived comfort level and level of performance. Mainly, that it isn't necessarily positive.
I respect that point. But it really isn't their happiness thats the key factor. Its the fact that they know their roles, and know hard play will be rewarded, thats actually why they are happy. As opposed to an atmosphere where there are no rewards, or consistancy or rhyme or reason for any of the decisions.

Thats my point, they are happy because things finally make sense, not because they think Isiah is such a nice guy; because I am certain he is not effing around with these guys at all, his professional life is on the line.

yeah I agree, in fact I think I even heard channing use the phrase "cuss us out" when they would make a mistake. so its not like isiah is just being mr. softy and prioritizing being liked over discipline.



[Edited by - slimpack on 07-06-2006 09:44 AM]
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7/6/2006  9:43 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
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Posted by rvhoss:

I think they aren't even reading what they are writing. no objectivity whatsoever. I mean, 23 wins is 23 wins, to say a double win total or it's a failure is pretty weak imho and shows the lack of support they are really bringing to the table this year.
Isiah said this team is a good team. He said that the only reason we were bad is Larry Brown. Are you telling me that in Isiah's mind a less than .500 team consitutes a good team?
IMO, this team is a .500 team and better. Thats a good team compared to the rest of the Knick teams post 2000. Isiah isnt the problem yet. Give him a year to coach and manage.

I am. I already conceded this team will have a better record this year. But the way Isiah basically said that last season was Larry's fault, and I have to think he thought this team was at least .500 before Larry, 4 games over .500 is not that hard of a watermark to reach for him.

The fact that it is a 22 game improvement means nothing because-like I said-if this was all Larry's fault, Isiah should at the very least coach this roster to an average season-and with this talent level and Frye's and Lee's improvement- 4 wins over .500 is not that hard, IMO.
Last season was Browns fault. The team could've been .500 w/out Larry. Lenny Wilkens did a better job with a worse team so if the team was .500 this year, we would have had some trading chips. Larry messed up last year and this year for us. The 22 game improvement would have meant nothing anyway cause our goal isnt being .500 its winning a championship. Isiah will coach us to a .500 record and then start trading, working on the cap etc.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 07-06-2006 09:37 AM]

I am just talking best case scenario, Silver. Larry coached like crap and I am expecting a much better season this season because of reason I have said a million time already(I know you read them). If all went well, and you took the team we have now, and everything fit, I believe this team had the capability of being very dynamic, with Larry. I don't think Zeke on his best day has the coaching capacity to do what Larry could have done on his best day.
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7/6/2006  9:43 AM
Posted by misterearl:

when will they stop with all this bravado and he said/she said crap and concentrate on what's best for the team and the franchise?

dj - When the media stops pressing the players with the same questions.

djsu - Imagine how you would work under the same scrutiny, and opinion, every day of the week?

At least now the players have an opportunity to breathe, open up and get back to eventually playing better basketball. What is wrong with a player voicing his opinion instead of bottling his feelings inside for some other random interpretation?

Get it on the table. Vent all you want David Lee. Nate? Express Yourself. Channing - you are the future captain of the Knicks so you may as well speak your intelligent mind right now and get in the habit of having microphones shoved in your face after every game. Win or lose.

I have no problem with a player faciing the media and speaking honestly.

Better to get it on the table in your own words.

Welcome to New York.

if this was malik rose, it's a different. but it's a bunch of kids, one year into their career. should they be saying stuff like this? have they earned that right?

the players are still in control here and they are dictating who stays and who goes. and until that changes...NOTHING changes.
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7/6/2006  9:46 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by misterearl:

when will they stop with all this bravado and he said/she said crap and concentrate on what's best for the team and the franchise?

dj - When the media stops pressing the players with the same questions.

djsu - Imagine how you would work under the same scrutiny, and opinion, every day of the week?

At least now the players have an opportunity to breathe, open up and get back to eventually playing better basketball. What is wrong with a player voicing his opinion instead of bottling his feelings inside for some other random interpretation?

Get it on the table. Vent all you want David Lee. Nate? Express Yourself. Channing - you are the future captain of the Knicks so you may as well speak your intelligent mind right now and get in the habit of having microphones shoved in your face after every game. Win or lose.

I have no problem with a player faciing the media and speaking honestly.

Better to get it on the table in your own words.

Welcome to New York.

if this was malik rose, it's a different. but it's a bunch of kids, one year into their career. should they be saying stuff like this? have they earned that right?

the players are still in control here and they are dictating who stays and who goes. and until that changes...NOTHING changes.

actually malik rose also said that, unlike in SA, he didnt know where he was effective in the offense here. does that make it better?

anyway Im not sure a rookie has to "earn" the right to express feelings of confusion, and happiness at the absense of, a coach that wasnt trying to win games. I mean its not like they said, "we are defintely better off withough brown" or anything like that. all they did was say how they feel.





[Edited by - slimpack on 07-06-2006 09:53 AM]
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7/6/2006  9:49 AM
this is like JR Smith's

"Byron Scott's ego is out of control"

'cept there the coach had mgmt's backing and Smith spent many a night cheering from the sideline.

whether you think Brown is senile or a sabateur, compared to anyone on this roster or in the organization basket-ball wise he is the Sears Tower and they are a trailer park.

stepping up and speaking out is fine. now they have to prove it on the court. the battle is uphill - NJ and Boston have the upper hand going in in the Atlantic.
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7/6/2006  9:51 AM
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Now guys want to bash Frye and Lee. LOL!!! Its comical.

Isles, you are missing the point, this wasn't about minutes per game, its aboutt having a clearly defined role, that doesn't change in conflicting ways from day to day and having 'good play' get rewarded with playing time.


I love how everything that goes against Brown is a secret Dolan ploy. So you think they really knew their roles, but are jsut saying this for Dolan? yeah, Frye really seems like that kind of guy, and so does Lee.

These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown mean, they can simply say no comment.

ROFL!!!!

BTW, Frye didn't bash him at all, if you heard the audio you can see he was reserved in his criticism of LB, just overjoyed at the idea of working for a sane coach.

What's comical is everyone, even LB supporters, say Larry did a crappy job, and you act like everyone is saying he did a great job.
What's comical is that some people take a cop-out, admitting he did a crappy job but then thinking he should not have been fired!

Oh sure....Indy, Detroit, SA, and Philly should all have fired him after one year, I mean you know how normal a one and done coaching stint is. Oh, wait, that usually only happens with Isiah as the GM!


He didn't pull the stunts there at those stops that he did here.
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7/6/2006  9:53 AM
Posted by McK1:

this is like JR Smith's

"Byron Scott's ego is out of control"

'cept there the coach had mgmt's backing and Smith spent many a night cheering from the sideline.

whether you think Brown is senile or a sabateur, compared to anyone on this roster or in the organization basket-ball wise he is the Sears Tower and they are a trailer park.

stepping up and speaking out is fine. now they have to prove it on the court. the battle is uphill - NJ and Boston have the upper hand going in in the Atlantic.


another improtant difference is that it was just jr saying that.
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Posted by franco12:
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Now guys want to bash Frye and Lee. LOL!!! Its comical.

Isles, you are missing the point, this wasn't about minutes per game, its aboutt having a clearly defined role, that doesn't change in conflicting ways from day to day and having 'good play' get rewarded with playing time.


I love how everything that goes against Brown is a secret Dolan ploy. So you think they really knew their roles, but are jsut saying this for Dolan? yeah, Frye really seems like that kind of guy, and so does Lee.

These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown mean, they can simply say no comment.

ROFL!!!!

BTW, Frye didn't bash him at all, if you heard the audio you can see he was reserved in his criticism of LB, just overjoyed at the idea of working for a sane coach.

What's comical is everyone, even LB supporters, say Larry did a crappy job, and you act like everyone is saying he did a great job.
What's comical is that some people take a cop-out, admitting he did a crappy job but then thinking he should not have been fired!

Oh sure....Indy, Detroit, SA, and Philly should all have fired him after one year, I mean you know how normal a one and done coaching stint is. Oh, wait, that usually only happens with Isiah as the GM!


He didn't pull the stunts there at those stops that he did here.

LB did have some pretty harsh words for Iverson and I am sure he critisized other players along the way.
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7/6/2006  9:53 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Now guys want to bash Frye and Lee. LOL!!! Its comical.

Isles, you are missing the point, this wasn't about minutes per game, its aboutt having a clearly defined role, that doesn't change in conflicting ways from day to day and having 'good play' get rewarded with playing time.


I love how everything that goes against Brown is a secret Dolan ploy. So you think they really knew their roles, but are jsut saying this for Dolan? yeah, Frye really seems like that kind of guy, and so does Lee.

These guys have guaranteed contracts, and they are grown mean, they can simply say no comment.

ROFL!!!!

BTW, Frye didn't bash him at all, if you heard the audio you can see he was reserved in his criticism of LB, just overjoyed at the idea of working for a sane coach.

What's comical is everyone, even LB supporters, say Larry did a crappy job, and you act like everyone is saying he did a great job.
What's comical is that some people take a cop-out, admitting he did a crappy job but then thinking he should not have been fired!


Oh sure....Indy, Detroit, SA, and Philly should all have fired him after one year, I mean you know how normal a one and done coaching stint is. Oh, wait, that usually only happens with Isiah as the GM!

He may have had poor records there in year 1 (I don't even remember) but he didn't do a poor job. He didn't handle things with the highest imaginable degree of insanity and senility there, be it player rotations, relations with players, or media statements.

Bonn, this type of arguement doesn't make sense to me. In the first sentence you are not even sure if in year 1 LB has a bad track records but state with certainty that you know how he handled each of his teams in those same year 1 seasons.


No- brown came with a reputation of having slow first years in terms of wins. I don't recall any article bringing up a reputation for dysfunctional first years. Now, part of this might be NYC being the media magnifier that it is- perhaps he pulled this crud elsewhere and with less press, it never was the issue it was here...
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7/6/2006  9:54 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

when will they stop with all this bravado and he said/she said crap and concentrate on what's best for the team and the franchise? that's what i'm upset about.
LOL!!! ROFL!!!!



Oh THATS what you're upset about?

LOL!!! This is classic. I might just make this my signature. One of Brown biggest supporters during the season, is upset about he said/she said crap and not concentrating on what's best for the team??? LOL!!!!! ROFL!!!!!! When exactly did this start upsetting you? LOL!
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7/6/2006  9:57 AM
This franchise has been nothing but excuse after excuse for everyone thats played here the last 5 years. Since when is having fun a key requisite? Learn to win in the league first, then have some fun playing the game. The laid back, your a star, go have a good time approach produces guys like Steve Francis. Lots of flash and no substance, unless you count something other than winning basketball games substance.

I've had guys like that come on my baseball team. They just want to fart around and have a good time. There's a league for that, its call slow pitch softball. If your not going to show up in shape and ready and able to contribute go play in a coed pickup game. To me nothing is more "fun" than working hard and seeing that work translate on the field. Winning is fun

Whats the excuse going to be this year? Too many players? Lame duck coach? Fat guys getting injured and messing up the line ups?

I'm GLAD Channing showed up beefed to 260. Hopefully the rookies and sophmores and be big contributors. Wanna know what will really make me excited this year? If Curry shows up weighing 260-270 instead of the 300 he played at last year.
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7/6/2006  10:02 AM
Is This America?

Home of the free and land of the brave. Where ANYONE can speak an opinion?

Players will always talk to the media. The NYC media demands it in triplicate and quintouplet. It sells papers. The cable subscriptions depend on it. As a matter of fact,, the Knicks story is SO good that it reveives national attention. The ratings are UP despite winning only 23 games.

No big deal.

Talk on defense.

Hit the open man.

Play ball.
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7/6/2006  10:03 AM
>>Since when is having fun a key requisite?

fishmike - watch the Phoenix Suns PLAY basketball and tell me they're NOT having fun on the court

Its a game
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7/6/2006  10:04 AM
Its funny how last season a bunch of these crybabies tried to twist the meaning of a Frye's statement into something derogatory about Steph. Now that he has spoken out about the madness that was LB last year, guys are outraged, and indignant. LOL!! Could this get any crazier?!?!

They like to say "we all admit Larry sucked"...........but when a rookie brings to light exactly what it is he did that sucked, it makes you get your panties in a bunch???? Its called denial. You don't admit it, and thats why your collective faces must be rubbed in it.

Theres always a new different reason why they are outraged.

LBlovers: Well the rookies should be saying it.

Knicksfans: But Malik Rose said it too.

LBlovers: Well when has he won anything?

Knickfans: Huh? LOL! He has several rings and is very well respected around the league.

LBlovers: I don't like the back and forth in the media tho.

Knickfans: [dies from a laughter-induced respitory failure. Later has open-casket with permanent smile affixed to face.]

[Edited by - killa4luv on 07-06-2006 10:09 AM]
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7/6/2006  10:05 AM
man, i dont understand why some are blaming the rookies forspeaking their minds, they are the ones who saw 1st hand what happened last year and if they are willing to talk, let them talk
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7/6/2006  10:08 AM
Enough talk, let's win some games. All we did last year was talk. This year I want guys committed to playing. Let's leave controversy behind. You want to vent and get it off your chest fine. But when training camp starts you come in, in shape, no excuses and you play hard for Isiah. The excuses for quitting are now gone. This season players should impose their own personal gag orders. This year should be about playing. Enough talk!!!!!
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