Posted by oohah:

Hey,

I just had an idea; instead of measuring this team's success from their win total if LB hadn't molested the team, for instance 35 wins, maybe we should measure them from the win total if LB had done a real good job, let's say 45 wins!

The Knicks should win 55-60 games or else Isiah hasn't made acceptable progress!

oohah

Bro, If Larry did a good job AND the players bought into the system, I honesly believe this is a 53+ win team. I think the best Isiah will do here-absolute best-is 48 wins if EVERYTHING goes his way.

Yup, I said it here first folks, If LB and the players, and management actually worked together, we would be a 53+ win club.

Oohah, the reason I believe that Isiah should win at least 45 games is he talked this roster up so much. He choose(made Dolan believe in) these players over a HOF-caliber coach(on a side not, did you Riley, Phil Jackson, AND Brown are all not in the Hall of fame as coaches?-http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/history/halloffame). .500 is just not good enough becuase at it's best as I said at it's best if everyone works together this has he potential to be a very good team. I doubt Thomas' sell speech to Dolan was "Get rid of Brown and I'll take this $123 million roster to the .500 promised land!"

Bro, If Larry did a good job AND the players bought into the system, I honesly believe this is a 53+ win team. I think the best Isiah will do here-absolute best-is 48 wins if EVERYTHING goes his way.

Yup, I said it here first folks, If LB and the players, and management actually worked together, we would be a 53+ win club.

Oohah, the reason I believe that Isiah should win at least 45 games is he talked this roster up so much. He choose(made Dolan believe in) these players over a HOF-caliber coach(on a side not, did you Riley, Phil Jackson, AND Brown are all not in the Hall of fame as coaches?-http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/history/halloffame). .500 is just not good enough becuase at it's best as I said at it's best if everyone works together this has he potential to be a very good team. I doubt Thomas' sell speech to Dolan was "Get rid of Brown and I'll take this $123 million roster to the .500 promised land!"

Posted by oohah:

Bro, If Larry did a good job AND the players bought into the system, I honesly believe this is a 53+ win team. I think the best Isiah will do here-absolute best-is 48 wins if EVERYTHING goes his way.

Yup, I said it here first folks, If LB and the players, and management actually worked together, we would be a 53+ win club.

Oohah, the reason I believe that Isiah should win at least 45 games is he talked this roster up so much. He choose(made Dolan believe in) these players over a HOF-caliber coach(on a side not, did you Riley, Phil Jackson, AND Brown are all not in the Hall of fame as coaches?-http://cbs.sportsline.com/nba/history/halloffame). .500 is just not good enough becuase at it's best as I said at it's best if everyone works together this has he potential to be a very good team. I doubt Thomas' sell speech to Dolan was "Get rid of Brown and I'll take this $123 million roster to the .500 promised land!"

Actually, I wasn't calling you out directly Joe. I think that the Knicks had/has enough talent to be pretty decent team, but it takes time for that to happen. When you are 23 win team, it means either Tim Duncan got injured for the year or the team sucks, whether it is the coaches fault etc.

Not only was last year not a year to build on, but the team backslid; progress was retarded.

So last year's team sucked. To expect them to become a full-on good team is unfair and unrealistic and really setting yourself up for disappointment and Knicks-style ulcers.

I don't mean to rain on your expectations, but I think you should do what I do: Aim for a realistic improvement and hope for a huge one.

oohah

Didn't think you were calling me out at all...just had an opinion. But 45 wins is not my expectation. It is my opinion on what Isiah has to do to sell me to bring him back.

What do I think we'll do? This team will probably win 40ish games (That's the over under and I am giving it 1 or 2 either way) if for no other reason, just by talent alone this team-under Isiah who they like-is about a .500 team, with a decent coaching job from Isiah. The fact that they have to learn another(and I use this term loosely because they never bothered to learn the system from the last coach) system will hurt them at the begining, IMO. They will be a decent team. The fact that they will feel ike they can breath again alone will probably result in at LEAST 7 wins, IMO.

Posted by eViL:

Someone mentioned how AD and Malik Rose ended up taking a lot of jump shots which in turn led to us going down early in a lot of games. The way I interpreted this (especially when watching games live at MSG) is that every coach who came up against us had a gameplan to force AD and Malik to make shots. Unfortunately, AD really bricked it up early in the season. He also shot a lot jump shots late in the shot clock under pressure.

I blame Marbury for not being smart enough to respond to opposing defenses. If he knew how to run a team, AD would never have been taking those jumpshots. Real PG's, real leaders control the game and they don't just take what the defense gives them. They adjust their game, they take over, they get the ball to their teammates where their teammates are comfortable.

Marbury has been completely inept at stepping up. When we got swept by Jersey in the first round, he was absolutely puzzled by their half court trap. And coincidentally, Shandon Anderson was bricking it up for us just like AD and Malik. The Nets wanted the ball to end up with Shandon shooting it and Marbury's inability to adjust and control the game gave the Nets just what they wanted.

The guy truly is a slug on defense too. I cannot believe how little effort he typically puts up. I say "typically" because for some reason he will occasionally give effort just to tease us and show us how much he's holding back. Later, he runs through a hard pick and injures his shoulder. Good luck ever getting him to run through hard picks again.

Also, he's managed to bring the losing with him wherever he goes. I think (someone look it up) he is the current losingest player of all guys who are active. He's a superstar, but his teams always lose. He's had more people come out and rip him than any other player I know. He leaves - his ex-teams win. At one time, I thought it was all bad luck for him. But not no more.

I think Marbury is most responsible for our poor play. Before anyone comes back and pretends that I'm blaming him for everything -- remember, I just said "most responsible". I'm very aware that he is not the anti-christ and he is not the only person responsible for our losing year.

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