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oohah
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Who did you prefer and why?
I like the Balkman Pick
I would have preferred Marcus Williams
I would have preffered anoth player entirely
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oohah
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6/29/2006  1:28 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Oohah we can argue about single players tit for tat, but even then, there are alot of good players that slip, which is what I meant by dozens...



I know and agree with you Joe, I just don't think Williams is that player. I was having fun, that's why I included the smiley.

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6/29/2006  1:33 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:

Oohah we can argue about single players tit for tat, but even then, there are alot of good players that slip, which is what I meant by dozens...



I know and agree with you Joe, I just don't think Williams is that player. I was having fun, that's why I included the smiley.

oohah

I know....it was fun looking back at draft position and who was taken....Can you think of any reaches hat have worked out...I have a problem doing it off the top of my head and I haven't noticed any in the 5 drafts I looked at.
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6/29/2006  1:36 PM
Posted by oohah:
Fine I'll take your advice and look at a scouting report. So I go to the first one I find and here is what it says:

"Defensively he does a good job staying in front of his man and limiting drives, he averages 1.1 stl/game"

http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/marcuswilliams.html

As far as his shooting goes, it has gotten better every year, but you fail to mention that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=15343

Okay now look at this one: http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=180# (Click on "weaknesses".)

"One aspect of his game where his lack of quickness clearly affects him already as a collegiate player is in his defensive ability. Williams does not move his feet well enough and is often heavily reliant on the three outstanding shot-blockers (Gay, Boone, Armstrong) he has behind him in UConn’s frontline. He has problems staying in front of his man on the perimeter, particularly when going up against smaller and quicker guards. This might not be that much of an issue if Williams showed better effort in this area, but this is not a part of his game that he puts as much pride in as he does with his playmaking ability, sometimes being a bit slow to get back defensively."

"Williams’ offensive arsenal in terms of scoring is fairly average, causing some to label him as a bit of a one-dimensional passer, particularly earlier in his career. In all fairness, much of this has to do with the fact that he’s constantly surrounded by future NBA players and simply does not need to have huge offensive outbursts for his team to win. Regardless, this is another part of his game that NBA teams will study closely."

***

Yes Williams has improved his shot, and as a player all around. Now instead of the worst shooter you've ever seen, he is about average...as long as all the defenses are worrying about the studs he is playing with and not him.

oohah





[Edited by - oohah on 06-29-2006 1:31 PM]

Well, there you go. Two of the best mock draft websites can't even agree on something.

Maybe Marcus becomes the player I think he will be, maybe he becomes the bust you think he will be.

We could argue for another 4 hours, but we won't agree either way, so we mind as well leave it at that.
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6/29/2006  1:49 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:

Oohah we can argue about single players tit for tat, but even then, there are alot of good players that slip, which is what I meant by dozens...



I know and agree with you Joe, I just don't think Williams is that player. I was having fun, that's why I included the smiley.

oohah

I know....it was fun looking back at draft position and who was taken....Can you think of any reaches hat have worked out...I have a problem doing it off the top of my head and I haven't noticed any in the 5 drafts I looked at.



I think it might be more interesting to pick out a bunch of guys who were supposed to be the Bees knees that went down the tubes.

oohah

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6/29/2006  1:51 PM
Well, there you go. Two of the best mock draft websites can't even agree on something.

Maybe Marcus becomes the player I think he will be, maybe he becomes the bust you think he will be.

We could argue for another 4 hours, but we won't agree either way, so we mind as well leave it at that.

I don't think Williams will necessarily be a bust. He was a nice college player and I think he has a good chance to be a nice backup PG. But I believe that is his ceiling, so there is no reason to get worked up over him considering we are guard heavy. That's all.

oohah

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6/29/2006  1:54 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:

Oohah we can argue about single players tit for tat, but even then, there are alot of good players that slip, which is what I meant by dozens...



I know and agree with you Joe, I just don't think Williams is that player. I was having fun, that's why I included the smiley.

oohah

I know....it was fun looking back at draft position and who was taken....Can you think of any reaches hat have worked out...I have a problem doing it off the top of my head and I haven't noticed any in the 5 drafts I looked at.



I think it might be more interesting to pick out a bunch of guys who were supposed to be the Bees knees that went down the tubes.

oohah

There are so many of them bro....that would be interesting....to bad I got to go to work but that sounds like something I'll do when I get home tonight at 11 and have nothing to do because the wife and child are sleeping.
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6/29/2006  2:00 PM
MArcus for various reasons eventhough I like Balkman. Could've had him at 27 or if he was gone then its no big deal. he's a role player who will be lucky to crack the rotation
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6/29/2006  2:00 PM
There are so many of them bro....that would be interesting....to bad I got to go to work but that sounds like something I'll do when I get home tonight at 11 and have nothing to do because the wife and child are sleeping.

Forget that bro, if the kid is sleeping, wake your wife up...

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6/29/2006  2:02 PM
Posted by oohah:
Well, there you go. Two of the best mock draft websites can't even agree on something.

Maybe Marcus becomes the player I think he will be, maybe he becomes the bust you think he will be.

We could argue for another 4 hours, but we won't agree either way, so we mind as well leave it at that.

I don't think Williams will necessarily be a bust. He was a nice college player and I think he has a good chance to be a nice backup PG. But I believe that is his ceiling, so there is no reason to get worked up over him considering we are guard heavy. That's all.

oohah
Thats fine, we are all entitled to our own opinions. I think he can be a good starter but we'll have to wait and see.
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Discuss...
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11/6/2007  10:45 PM
Posted by eViL:

Discuss...

Pro-Balkman seems to be correct...

oohah

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11/6/2007  10:47 PM
Marcus Who???
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11/6/2007  10:48 PM
Posted by buddapaw:

Marcus Who???

Williams.
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11/7/2007  9:16 AM
With our frontcourt we need a PG of the future. I would have spent the previous nine drafts looking for one.
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11/7/2007  2:10 PM
Let Renaldo play the point.

bump it
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11/7/2007  2:18 PM
Posted by Solace:
Originally posted by firefly:
Originally posted by Solace:

Here's a direct quote from a popular Nets board:
We have to thank one guy tonight..
on: June 28, 2006, 11:45:25 PM 
Reply with quote
And let me be the first one to do it...
Dear Isiah,
Thank you for passing up on the best PG prospect in the draft. You have given us Nets fans million reasons to smile but this one takes the cake. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for being the most incompetent GM in the history of the league. We love you and we hope you stay as the GM of the New York Knickerbockers for the rest of your life. Have fun with Renaldo Balkman.
Thanks.
Ok, Ill bite. Youre so smart, and you know, KNOW that Marcus Williams is going to be the greatest thing since Magic, then what exactly does Isiah Thomas have to do with the Nets getting him? He was projected to go top 5! Nets fans, an unimaginative bunch at the best of times, have decided to go with general media direction, which seems to be be kill Isiah as much as possible. All fair and good. So why are they not thanking all the other GM's who passed on him? Isiah has nothing to do with Marcus Williams dropping to the Nets. He was the last in a long line of, according to you, far more qualified GM's to pass on him.
Well done the Nets fans for bringing the average IQ of the tristate area down to beetle level. Lets quote them and join their sad fraternity of patheticdom.
Kool Aid has nothing to do with this. I know were my team is, and I know there is much to do to make them better. In my opinion, drafting a Frank Williams lookalike to make "fans" like you happy has nothing to do with it.
Before the draft, everyone was saying Isiah will draft the BPA in an effort to save his job. Well, he didnt. He drafted someone who he thinks will help the team be more rounded. You know, try and balance offense and defense. But noooo, lets listen to the Nets fans, who dont even have the sense to support a team who are actually good!
Just because BRIGGS says Marcus Williams wil be good, does not make it gospel. Sounds to me like a guy who cant even keep a little weight problem in check before the biggest day of proffessional career. Ah, but Curry sucks.
Generally, I'm finding that people who demand that Isiah drafted Williams are either UConn fans, or in serious need of a little sit down and prioritize time. Whats mote important to you, that Isiah sucks, or that the Knicks grow?

If Isiah drafted Bonn1997, half the board would say it was a good move and defend it. Sip the kool aid slowly... slowly...
Well, that WOULD be a smart draft choice, right?
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11/7/2007  2:40 PM
Whats there to discuss Williams broke his foot in Sept and is out for like 6 weeks.
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11/7/2007  3:13 PM
Posted by bitty41:

Whats there to discuss Williams broke his foot in Sept and is out for like 6 weeks.

Thats what we call LAZY! If it were anything like Jerome, he'd be good for 5 - 10 minutes a game.
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11/7/2007  3:16 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by bitty41:

Whats there to discuss Williams broke his foot in Sept and is out for like 6 weeks.

Thats what we call LAZY! If it were anything like Jerome, he'd be good for 5 - 10 minutes a game.

game of what? Beer pong?
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