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BlueSeats
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6/15/2006  4:01 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:

"Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times," Brown said. "He's just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It's what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn't know what's going on, he's delusional."

Brown questioned the UCLA product's attitude.

"It has nothing to do with how he's playing," he said. "It has nothing to do with basketball. He's just got to grow up a little and understand it's a team and he's got to act like a good teammate.

"Sometimes when they hear it from me, that's just coach," Brown said. "We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn't know, it's because UCLA wasn't a good academic institution."

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

I think I get your point blueseats: Brown used insulting language towards Ariza in the press for no reason.

oohah


In this instance I wasn't really making an argument for or against anything, just providing a point of reference for all involved.

but lets keep in mind, this is listed as one of two of Browns WORST bashes.

The other was him saying ""We don't have a head out there."

Were they jabs? yeah, sure they were, but some of you want to suggest they constitute breach of contract or a reason for bums to quit on him. Underperforming teams are gonna take some knocks from a disciplinarian like Brown. Thank god. The alternative is letting guys like lenny and Herb get walked on.

When will the players ever be held accountable?
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6/15/2006  4:18 PM
Blueseats: Never

The days of hard working lunch pail guys in NY are gone until we wiin again. Once we get lucky and start winning again then fans will remember what type of players they really like. In the meantime it's okay for guys to quit.
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6/15/2006  4:18 PM
I'm trying to figure out why Browns Charm works so well on the knicks fans but all the players and owners/FO types tell you he's an ars????? Maybe he should coach and work from the fans houses and have he's coaching filtered back to his players threw the media and inter-net.

[Edited by - Anji on 06-15-2006 4:20 PM]
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6/15/2006  4:25 PM
How about we take Brown out of the equation. Forget Brown and look at the roster and look at how many of these guys have quit. People hate Brown so much that they ignore what is really going on. We were bad long before Brown got here.
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6/15/2006  4:32 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:

"Every other coach has [spoken to him] a number of times," Brown said. "He's just delusional. Things get over fast with me. It's what you do in practice every day. To say he doesn't know what's going on, he's delusional."

Brown questioned the UCLA product's attitude.

"It has nothing to do with how he's playing," he said. "It has nothing to do with basketball. He's just got to grow up a little and understand it's a team and he's got to act like a good teammate.

"Sometimes when they hear it from me, that's just coach," Brown said. "We got five other [coaches] that have visited with him privately. And he heard something pretty specific from me before the game. If he doesn't know, it's because UCLA wasn't a good academic institution."

Brown coached the Bruins from 1979-1981.

I think I get your point blueseats: Brown used insulting language towards Ariza in the press for no reason.

oohah


In this instance I wasn't really making an argument for or against anything, just providing a point of reference for all involved.

but lets keep in mind, this is listed as one of two of Browns WORST bashes.

The other was him saying ""We don't have a head out there."

Were they jabs? yeah, sure they were, but some of you want to suggest they constitute breach of contract or a reason for bums to quit on him. Underperforming teams are gonna take some knocks from a disciplinarian like Brown. Thank god. The alternative is letting guys like lenny and Herb get walked on.

When will the players ever be held accountable?



I'm mostly funnin' with you Blue. I don't hold the players, the GM, or the owner unaccountable. I've told you this before. They were bad and were going to be bad LB or no LB. I just don't like LB taking a big-ass contract then immediately adding to the Knick's troubles rather than acting as a positive force. Some may argue that he was trying to be a positive force, but I find those arguments to be bogus.

He wants everything his own way, and I think his contract made him feel invincible But he forgot one thing: only Iron Man is Invincible.

oohah

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6/15/2006  9:01 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

How about we take Brown out of the equation. Forget Brown and look at the roster and look at how many of these guys have quit. People hate Brown so much that they ignore what is really going on. We were bad long before Brown got here.

I don't blame Brown completely for what happened - obviously Isiah assembled a flawed group (but I don't think TOO flawed) and any time you have such massive roster turnover (we got like 11 new guys between the Malik/MoT trades and opening night) it's going to take a lot of time. I just think Larry was a bad decision from the get and that he handled the situation as poorly as possible by failing to add some sort of stability in terms of rotations, establishing roles. Failed to take advantage of things that could have helped this team - using Marbury in more pick and rolls, shooting more 3pts and playing some zone defense. People say the ball is in Marbury's hands too much, but Brown gets him to move it around and we lead the league in turnovers. Other than Marbury, Craw and Nate we don't have too many ballhandlers that make good decisions with the ball. That's why we need a pure SF who can handle the ball and a passing PG. We have finishers along the frontline, but none of those guys should be making too many playmaking decisions.

We were bad in 04-05, but before the 05-06 season we added four guys from 50 win teams, two role players (Malik, JJ) and two starters (Curry, Qrich). Heck, JJ started on the Sonics and played a sort of Diop/Dampier role for them.
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6/15/2006  11:39 PM
We just have too much replication on this roster....

4 shoot first PG's (Steph, Steve, Jamal, Nate)
no true SG
no true SF (Q1 and Q2 are swing players-If Q2 gets his game back he is still more of a swing player)
5 PF's (Frye, Mo, Malik, Lee, Butler)
2 underachieving centers (Curry and Jamal)

If we were able to condense any combo of 3 of the PG's and 2 of the PF's into a true SG and true SF (either through obtaining picks or obtaining a player like JR Smith or even Bonzi Wells at the 2 maybe someone like Mardy Collins in the draft at the 3 or sign a player like James Posey-player option for next season-or a Matt Harpring) and a defense first, reboundng second, defense and rebounding third, offense fourt swing PF/C player like a Ben Wallace or a Reggie Evans I think this team can make some major strides.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 06-15-2006 11:43 PM]
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6/16/2006  7:35 AM
Posted by oohah:



I'm mostly funnin' with you Blue. I don't hold the players, the GM, or the owner unaccountable. I've told you this before. They were bad and were going to be bad LB or no LB. I just don't like LB taking a big-ass contract then immediately adding to the Knick's troubles rather than acting as a positive force. Some may argue that he was trying to be a positive force, but I find those arguments to be bogus.

He wants everything his own way, and I think his contract made him feel invincible But he forgot one thing: only Iron Man is Invincible.

oohah
I'm not saying its right, but if your Brown are you thinking any differently? Doesnt Larry have a leg to stand on when it comes to thinking everything *should* be his way?

He was hired by a GM/owner with a long track record of losing and bad decisions, and paid a lot more than the GM. Message: your the most important guy here.

He was hired to coach a bunch of guys who have never won anything, most have rarely taken part in winning seasons. He's got more playoff games than the roster of 12+ combined. Wouldnt you think things should be your way if you were LB?

Now, not for one minute to do I think how LB handled it was professional or constructive, but the more and more I hear the less and less I blame him.

If you were hired into a failing situation, paid an ass ton of money to fix things, given guarentees and promises, but when you start working people dont listen and management doesnt back you whats your reaction going to be?

Guys that get paid $10mm a year dont get sympathy, all I'm saying is this WHOLE thing is another Isiah/Dolan creation.



[Edited by - fishmike on 06-16-2006 07:36 AM]
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6/16/2006  8:03 AM
Wrong. Brownopoly makes a lot more than $10 mil per year if you count all the employers paying him!
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