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6/9/2006  11:22 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Now once again before we start the cycle of arguing. This is my opinion and in no way means that I think I am smarter or better than the person I was responding to.

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6/9/2006  12:13 PM
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Bonn: Do you think that is perception or reality. Frye averaged 24 minutes. Curry averaged 26.
You just proved my point. If the two kids had to earn their min on a level playing field, Curry would have barely gotten off the bench. ("He's gotta play well, not just out play guys like Malik"--I hear that a lot, only it's in reference to Frye and by those who don't dislike Brown's coaching last year.) And Frye would have played much more than Curry. But that didn't happen. This so-called "earn your PT" strategy that Larry supposedly implemented didn't apply to Curry. Maybe Larry thought Eddy was cute and cut him some slack

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06-08-2006 10:41 PM]

Once again Bonn this is YOUR OPINION and not necessarily the coach.
Of course it is; we post our opinions here and *evaluate* others' including Larry's. Not all opinions are equal, though. Better one's are better supported. If Larry's opinion was that Eddy didn't have to earn playing time or that Eddy actually had earned it better than Frye, than it's almost inconceivable that there could be good support for the opinion. And BTW, the part about Larry thinking Eddy was cute is actually a PROVEN FACT!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06-09-2006 12:15 PM]
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6/9/2006  12:31 PM
Not sure why you are still of the opinion that Eddie didn't have to earn playing time. He played the same sporadic minutes as Frye. They were clearly both earning it. but who cares there are far bigger things to worry about than how many minutes we feel guys should have gotten.
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6/9/2006  12:38 PM
because Isiah gave him a chance.
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why would Butler re-sign here?

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6/9/2006  12:39 PM
Fish now hates lee.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

Lee's a shrimp next to Evans. If you want to bulk up 15-20 pounds and use him as an uptempo 4-5 thats cool, but he may not be able to hold that weight, and he may not be an effective player at that weight either.
Posters said Lee is/can be as good a rebounder as Evans. Who said anything about body weight?

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6/9/2006  12:40 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

because Isiah gave him a chance.
Posted by McK1:

why would Butler re-sign here?

so.

there are I believe 6 players under contract at his position.

some chance

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-09-2006 12:42 PM]
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6/9/2006  12:46 PM
come on, Mot is out of here and I see us with a solid 4 man rotation, JackieB, Curry, Frye, Lee (who played center in college, why they are obsessed with making him a 3 is beyond me) everyone else is garbage/gone.

He has a role here.
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6/9/2006  12:46 PM
I love our rooks! I really really do. Everytime DLee threw it down I cried.
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6/9/2006  12:48 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

come on, Mot is out of here and I see us with a solid 4 man rotation, JackieB, Curry, Frye, Lee (who played center in college, why they are obsessed with making him a 3 is beyond me) everyone else is garbage/gone.

He has a role here.

Jerome James is still here at 6 mill per. Malik Rose has 2 years. and since Isiah doesn't let contracts expire, Taylor going means someone else coming in, likely in the front-court just to confuse the roster further.

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6/9/2006  3:19 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Not sure why you are still of the opinion that Eddie didn't have to earn playing time.
If fat Eddy had to earn playing time, he wouldn't have played one minute. He would have been told to go home and come back when in shape. If the coach is too soft for that, fine, but don't start and play close to 30 min a player who comes in out of shape. That sets the worst imaginable example for the other young players to learn from.

but who cares there are far bigger things to worry about than how many minutes we feel guys should have gotten
See above. Playing time can be used to reward hard work and punish laziness and thus set an atmosphere where you know you have to work hard to stay on the court. Most teams grasp this concept and don't start the lazy players with bad attitudes and bench the hard-workers. It's not such a foreign concept. I'd like to take full credit for coming up with this idea but I cannot.


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6/9/2006  3:39 PM
Bonn: Some coach's if given carte blanche would have benced Marbury too. Some might have played him 50 minutes a night. It's all up to the coach and sitting here as a fan and determining whether Curry deserves 16 minutes or 26 minutes is so unimportant to me. As unimportant as whether Frye should have played 24 or 28. I'm just giving you the coach's perspective. You have no idea what goes on in practice, how guys are handling their defensive/offensive assignments. Who is recognizing plays. Who is recognizing defenses and adjusting. Who is recognizing when a teammate has chosen a counter play and feeding off that. There are so many millions of things that go into playing time that I find it difficult to question a coach whether it's LB or Chaney as to why he's playing a particular player. I just accept it's his decision.

So in your view you feel that Curry did not deserve playing time. That is fine, but I'm just telling you that LB doesn't make his decision based on the obvious stuff that the typical fan can see.
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6/9/2006  4:40 PM
That's cool. We have different views. Playing time and rotations matter to me (and how I evaluate coaches) but not to you. It's definitely nothing personal. I wouldn't keep replying if I didn't enjoy the pleasant disagreement.

So in your view you feel that Curry did not deserve playing time.
In my view every player's minutes were managed as poorly as imaginable.
It's all up to the coach and sitting here as a fan and determining whether Curry deserves 16 minutes or 26 minutes is so unimportant to me.
No, I thought he should have gotten ZERO minutes until he showed he cared enough about basketball to get in shape. Teams even suspend out of shape players from time to time. I believe in tough love and don't evaluate positively softies (Eddy or the way Larry coached Eddy and many lazy players). I know what you're thinking: Isiah wouldn't have liked that. But if Larry wanted to please Isiah, it certainly looks like he failed anyway.

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6/9/2006  4:47 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Fish now hates lee.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

Lee's a shrimp next to Evans. If you want to bulk up 15-20 pounds and use him as an uptempo 4-5 thats cool, but he may not be able to hold that weight, and he may not be an effective player at that weight either.
Posters said Lee is/can be as good a rebounder as Evans. Who said anything about body weight?
I love Lee... I just dont pretend to plug him into any need we have.

poster: We need a shooting guard
rv: We have one.. his name is DLEE

poster: We need a shotblocker
rv: We have one.. his name is DLEE

poster: think we could get Ben Wallace?
rv: We have one.. his name is DLEE

poster: we need a dominating rebounder
rv: We have one.. his name is DLEE


I like Lee and Frye equal, but in different roles. If we could split the MLE between Jackie Butler and Reggie Evans I would be more than willing to package Frye to get Josh Smith or Gerald Wallace.

On a side note NBA player dont do organizations favors. Jackie isnt giving the Knicks a hopetown discount. He's going to get the best offer he can find, and probably give the Knicks a chance to match. If a team that needs size like the Bulls or Hawks offer him 3 years and $10mm and the Knicks are offering the LLE say goodbye to JB.

If you think otherwise your delusional :)
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6/9/2006  4:56 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by rvhoss:

come on, Mot is out of here and I see us with a solid 4 man rotation, JackieB, Curry, Frye, Lee (who played center in college, why they are obsessed with making him a 3 is beyond me) everyone else is garbage/gone.

He has a role here.

Jerome James is still here at 6 mill per. Malik Rose has 2 years. and since Isiah doesn't let contracts expire, Taylor going means someone else coming in, likely in the front-court just to confuse the roster further.

I think zeke is pretty packed to the gills with salary...I think when he took the job he warned Dolan that he would have to take another year of taking on MORE salary to get rid of some of the long term salary on the books, probably gave him a 3 to 5 year scenario where we are under the cap and competing.

It's entering his 3rd year and nowhere to go but down in respec to salary (JRose, MoT) and the roster and youthful positions are packed to the gills.

If he let them expire, like I've said, I like this team...MoT can wear a suit all year as far as I care. Hey, who wears the other two?
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6/9/2006  5:01 PM
LOL...I'm just saying, one thing that was mentioned of brown (and I repeat, I want him to come back and finish what he started) was that he was always in love with another team's players. It's like last year when you guys were salivating over Curry, now that we have him you think he sucks and you want sweetney back (or the picks, I forget).

It's time to be fiscally responsible and instead of forcing lee to lose weight and play the 3, we let him play the 4 (a departure form playing center at florida) and look for a solid SF. Bringing up a PF that does the same things as our current PF/SF is just spending more money.

The mle (like it or not) is set at a market rate of Jerome James. :)

Nobody better than him is going to accept it to come here and be his teammate.

So, all the mle talk for a older african american david lee is displaying a lack of fiscal responsibility.
Posted by fishmike:

I love Lee... I just dont pretend to plug him into any need we have.

poster: We need a shooting guard
rv: We have one.. his name is DLEE

poster: We need a shotblocker
rv: We have one.. his name is DLEE

poster: think we could get Ben Wallace?
rv: We have one.. his name is DLEE

poster: we need a dominating rebounder
rv: We have one.. his name is DLEE


[Edited by - rvhoss on 06-09-2006 5:02 PM]
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6/9/2006  5:08 PM
rv... I said last year that a good plan would be to let Penny come off the books, TT to come off the books, just stick with Sweetney, Frye, Lee, Ariza, JB, Crawford, Nate and draft a couple more guys this year. Think about where we would be with that right now.
BUT, as you should know and accept Zeke is totally incapable of let any contract expire. He cant be patient, and instead of Sweets, Ariza, and a VERY good pick regardless we have Curry and Francis.

Get this freakin guy outta here before more gets wrecked.
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6/9/2006  5:11 PM
I'm really not too concerned with franchise (clearly a replacement for marbury or out on the next train definition of an asset), Jrose (expiring deal this year and came with a pick) and add that to MoT (expiring this year) and we're still in the same position, but we got a pick and everyone is a year older.

I'm still not seeing how horrible things can be after just 2.5 years and rash of injuries and changes in personell...who would you rather have JYD or Lee, Kurt or Frye, Nazr or Curry...and not talking about now, I'm talking about for the future of your franchise.
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