Posted by misterearl:

simrud - that certainly a simplistic way to look at things, but things generally happen for more than one reason

This does not excuse his performance OR lack of conditioning but, you ever consider James signed with an expectation to start. Then Eddy Curry is signed and the position, and the expectations, change dramatically?

We shall see if Jeromes promise to "make good" on last season failure is demonstrated with new fire in training camp.

That ol' debil Isiah certainly could have pulled James aside in practice, but some might submit that motivation and inspiration is partially the coaches responsibility.

yes?

James was signed in July

the Curry deal was done in October

James reported to camp overweight which means he was getting fatter all summer before an Eddy Curry was ever in the picture.

Posted by misterearl:

simrud - that certainly a simplistic way to look at things, but things generally happen for more than one reason

This does not excuse his performance OR lack of conditioning but, you ever consider James signed with an expectation to start. Then Eddy Curry is signed and the position, and the expectations, change dramatically?

We shall see if Jeromes promise to "make good" on last season failure is demonstrated with new fire in training camp.

That ol' debil Isiah certainly could have pulled James aside in practice, but some might submit that motivation and inspiration is partially the coaches responsibility.

yes?

Problem with that Earl is that it doesn't matter who the coach is, Jerome James has done this before. He did it after he got his first big contract with Seattle when the Knicks were flirting with him big time. He got the contract and he mailed it in - the Knicks should have learned from that since they tried to sign him so badly. The only time he played well after getting that contract was the playoffs last year when he knew he had to get paid again. What happens? The same thing. Jerome is a master con-artist.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06-02-2006 9:22 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:

By the way, Larry wanted JRose....

are you 100% sure b/c this article:

Isiah seeks to score Donyell and Jalen for Kurt and Penny

BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

TORONTO - Isiah Thomas' month-long pursuit of Donyell Marshall and Jalen Rose has finally reached a point where the Knicks and Raptors are discussing a deal that would send Kurt Thomas and Penny Hardaway to Toronto.

According to a league source, Thomas and Rob Babcock, the Raptors general manager, exchanged phone calls yesterday in an attempt to hammer out a deal that would represent Thomas' first major roster move since he acquired Jamal Crawford from the Bulls in August.

Originally published on January 20, 2005

sort of indicates isiah had jalen on the radar for a little while now...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-02-2006 9:45 PM]

Posted by holfresh:


Marbs has not lost a step and has played with the same explosiveness he has had since entering theis league.

Posted by misterearl:

TMS

Let's Jump In The Marbury Way Back Machine

10 Years Ago

96-97 MIN 34.7min .408fg .354 3pt .727ft 2.7reb 7.8asst 15.8ppg

Last Season

05-06 NYK 36.6min .451fg .317 3pt .755ft 2.5reb 6.4astt 16.3ppg

I could be wrong but... Looks kinda like the same player to me.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by holfresh:
So tell me what getting guys that have bad contracts that Larry wants here mean...What does trying to get KMart,Ratliff and all the other "Larry Brown" type players mean fish?..You think I really need to look far to find guys who are advocate for this movement???


More importantly, what happens when Larry decides that Golden State is where he would rather be and we are saddled with the Ratliff and KMarts of the world, what then?

K-mart is actually younger than Marbury and I don't hear you demanding we dump steph. When you speak about the rookies do you support Nate or Jamal starting over Marbury? (I do)

All year long we hear about Kmart, Ratliff, Lynch, Snow, etc, but who did we end up with? Woods, Jalen and Francis.

Across his career brown has been known as a master motivator, his teams are considered to overachieve, just not here. it's not about bringing in Brown-type players, it's about bringing in players who'll play hard for him, or whoever the coach is, without conditions.

Marbs has not lost a step and has played with the same explosiveness he has had since entering theis league...You can hope that Nate and Craw start over Marbs, but Marbs outplays both of them even in 3rd gear....Ratliff and Kmart have huge contracts and are damaged goods that can no longer play 82 games, how can getting these guys can be good for the Knicks...I'm a proponent of putting the best players on the court, not those you have personal issues with...By the way, Larry wanted JRose and Francis.....Still...

first off, i've explained a zillion times that I believe jalen and francis were tactical moves for draft picks and later trades. for example, do you for a second think jalen will be here after the trade deadline? but even if larry did want them all on his own, doesn't that debunk your theory of him going for broken kneed defensive role players?

and as for marbury, when you stay stuff like this, in this very thread, it makes me think you are about developing youth for later vs going with veterans now. or do you consider a 30 yr old steph with tendonitis "youth?"

Do you really know what my way is?...I have been an advocate of breaking it down and building thru the draft and aquiring young players....If you notice, I'm the guy preaching play the youngsters and let them develop....I am against Larry Brown's way of bringing vets to win now and leave us in a deeper hole that we are already in...My opinion is not right, it just that, an opinion...You guys think the team should be built around the coach, I don't...Doesn't mean winner can't be built another way...

just seems your argument becomes a bit selective. you use it against brown, as if it wasn't isiah who brought in Marbury, Mo, Malik, AD, Penny, and who isn't trying to win now.

just do me two small favors and tell me all the great youth Larry has traded for broken vets in his career. and tell me why the NBA GMs voted LB as the BEST coach at developing youth.



[Edited by - BlueSeats on 06-02-2006 10:45 PM]

Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - NBA GMs voted LB "best" at devloing youth? What year was that?

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - NBA GMs voted LB "best" at devloing youth? What year was that?

2003. Just before he started a 23 yr old Prince on a run to the Championship.

The Pistons are an NBA anomaly in many ways. Yes, they are two-time defending Central Division champions. Yes, they were one series away from the NBA Finals a year ago, but this also is a team in the early stages of its development. The Pistons were 32-50 just three years ago. Technically, this is the third year of Dumars' rebuilding plan. The two 50-win seasons were, in the end, pleasant surprises.

So, yes, Brown was hired because Dumars believed he was the guy to take Detroit to the championship level. But Dumars also believes Brown is the right coach to nurture young players such as Prince, Hamilton, Okur and rookie Darko Milicic.

"The reason we came here was the respect we had for what's been done here and for what the future holds," Brown says. "We have a lot of great young kids, and I like to think I can make a difference in terms of teaching them how to play and the right way to play.

"(Pistons owner Bill Davidson) said it best: 'We want to be successful every year for a long time, and every year come playoff time, we want to have an honest chance to win a championship" That's how I am going to approach it."

Same coach, same approach, different venue. And considering Brown has won more than 60 percent of his games as a coach, maybe that's not such a bad thing.
Brown delivers

Ten NBA teams hired a new head coach this offseason. Of those 10, the
Pistons had the best record last season at 50-32, making Detroit the
choice job when Larry BroWn was looking for employment. But did the
team make the right choice with him? A recent poll of NBA general
managers suggets it Did.

1. Which head coach is the best at developing young players?
Larry Brown 24%
Eric Musselman 14%
Jeff Bzdelik 10%
Paul Silas 10%

2. Which head coach is the best manager/motivator of people?
Phil Jackson 41%
Pat Riley 21%
Larry Brown 19%

3. Who is the best X's and O's coach?
Larry Brown 33%
Jeff Van Gundy 14%
Rick Carlisle 10%
Pat Riley 10%

4. Who is the best head coach in the NBA?
Larry Brown 43%
Gregg Popovich 19%
Phil Jackson 19%




[Edited by - BlueSeats on 06-02-2006 11:45 PM]