Posted by oohah:

I respect what you have to say but when you start paying Brown's salary directly you probably should let Dolan determine what the man's job was. LOL, this is some crazy s#$t. So let me ask you this Bip, if Brown would have won say 42 games and made the 8th seed would you have said Brown was failing in his first season by not "breaking down" the roster as you claim was his job. Not just Bip all those who feel that it wasn't Brown's job to get the Knicks wins this season.

Pharezone, I think you know the deal. To a bunch of these guys, LB's 23 is better than any number of victories Isiah especially or any other coach can out up, even if the win total doubled next year. They are convinced that LB represents the "long view" when everything in his vaunted "track record" says different. They neglect to see that his requests to change the team are anti-rebuilding and anti-youth. They are "win now" requests to the nth degree.


oohah

That's where I am confuse, they talk about rebuilding with Brown but Brown was hired to bring credibility back to this franchise and yet he worsen it. He was hired to develop players yet they regress. The defense of the fact of action has been this theory that Brown must first break down to rebuild. OK but Brown himself in the season said their goal is the playoffs. I agree with Bip in the fact there is no set plan. It was on display throughout the season. Brown's 42 line up changes illuminates that fact. At one moment he wanted to go with the veterans, then the rookies, then back to the veterans and finally the youth. But I said all these things at the beginning of the season when I thought Brown was too busy giving press clippings then actually talking to and developing his players. Brown never came out at the beginning of the season and laid out a play so I had to ration it was strictly about wins and losses. Saying we are trying to make the playoffs, talking about how many spots you are out of it, just gives me that impression.

Posted by oohah:

I respect what you have to say but when you start paying Brown's salary directly you probably should let Dolan determine what the man's job was. LOL, this is some crazy s#$t. So let me ask you this Bip, if Brown would have won say 42 games and made the 8th seed would you have said Brown was failing in his first season by not "breaking down" the roster as you claim was his job. Not just Bip all those who feel that it wasn't Brown's job to get the Knicks wins this season.

Pharezone, I think you know the deal. To a bunch of these guys, LB's 23 is better than any number of victories Isiah especially or any other coach can out up, even if the win total doubled next year. They are convinced that LB represents the "long view" when everything in his vaunted "track record" says different. They neglect to see that his requests to change the team are anti-rebuilding and anti-youth. They are "win now" requests to the nth degree.


oohah

Basically what it comes down to is ooh ahh has little to add to any topic accept calling someone a LB lover.

I will not be one of the one's rooting against Isiah if he is hired. I will pray for him as hard as I did LB. I will demand that the organization not hire him if they plan on firing him. We need to give him 100% support just like I demand for Chaney and Lenny and LB. It's all the same. Until we back our coach and say that we are going to give him a chance to REBUILD in his vision we are wasting our time being part of the NBA. There is no other way. One day fans will realize this. That it's not a good thing to fire your coach's every year no matter who the name is. It's not a good thing to root against our coach's. None of this is good. I want no part of it whether the coach's name is LB, Lenny, Herb or Isiah. We are shooting ourselves in the foot by not committing and giving 100% to a coach.

People keep searching for reasons why we aren't seeing progress and it's right in front of your face. It's not LB that would have turned us around. He is not a savior and would not have saved this franchise. No single person can. What would save this franchise is saying that we have a plan, hiring a coach that fits that plan, and then sticking with the coach to see that plan through.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Bip, most people are with you, but the others wont change their minds. I am praying to dear God this is just a rumor though.

Posted by misterearl:



Yoot includes the 7 charter members of the Knicks 26 and under crew.

not all of them

Q Nate Butler and Lee or Frye can stay. Crawford with reservation.

bye-bye all the rest

[Edited by - McK1 on 05-16-2006 6:16 PM]

oooh ahh-There is a difference between support and explanation. I gave you explanations you were the one that assigned my opinions to it. I'll give you an example. When LB started the season by starting guys in their home town. I said:

"He's starting players in their home towns because he is sending the message that noone has earned the starting job".

This was my guess and nothing more. I thought it made more sense than saying he was senile like some of the other posters. I did not say I agreed with it, I just gave a guess as to what I thought he was doing. I did that all year long like I do every year because I am a coach and do have a different perspective. You guys just determine what my opinion is. Then when I say I don't like what he has done guys like you say I changed my mind. It's reactionary. You don't read the posts. You react to a few sentences. I can't control that.

There are many decisions of LB's I loved. There are many decisions of LB's I thought were asinine. I give my opinions on a case by case basis and have never had a reason to change my opinion because you disagree. I respect you, but my opinions will always be mine.

I can still defend a guy and disagree with his job for the season. I can still blast a guy and love the job he has done for the season. Unfortunately you can't do this. Instead you just react.

My least favorite coach in the last 20 years was Don Chaney. Ask TMS or Allanfan or any of the other old school guys if I ever supported him or gave rationale for his decisions. My least favorite player in the last 7 years was Allan Houston. Ask TMS or Allanfan or any of the oldschoolers if I ever supported or defended him.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by misterearl:

BlueSeats - my keepers from 26 and under yoots

Frye (for his offense), Lee (for the rebounding and ball movement), Jamal (for the Starks-like streakiness), Qyntel (for the potential), Curry (for the conditioning and size - which cannot be taught)

Nate is on the bubble, but I love his combativeness

Malik Rose can go. Jalen Rose can stay. Quentin can go. Steve Francis can stay.

Mo Taylor can go. Jerome James gets a look in Summer League with Udoka to see if he kept his promise to become a basketball player. Marbury, even though his is the Knicks best player, can - reluctantly - go.

Phil Ford and Dave Hanners can go. Herb can stay. LB and Isiah can go but they will both probably stay. Dolan isn't going anywhere.

I wish Ernie Grunfeld never left us.

Checketts jacked us.

I like your list. I think Malik gets a bum rap, but who cares, he's a 15 mpg guy either way.

I might also flop Francis and Q. We really suffer without outside shooting and while Q is average from the perimeter I think he's better than francis. I also like the way he tore into Curry on a couple of occasions. I think curry is a guy who needs friends in his face, so if we're keeping him he needs support. Mentoring Eddy was actually one of the roles AD played in Chicago and here, but that's another subtle thing most fans disregard.

Time after time I see fans disrespect the Kurt Thomases, Malik Roses, and Antonio Davises for some offensive dude who can jump and therefore has potential. You gotta have some defenders, some glue guys, some mentors and some leaders. Otherwise you have what we had, too many guys talking about how we have to play together and without all these diverse agendas.