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If Brown is out (however it happens) who do you want to coach this team for the next 3-5 years?


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Killa4luv
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Who do you want man assuming Brown is gone?
Rick Adelman - His teams have consistantly performed well.
Isiah Thomas - He made this bed, he should lay in it.
Stan Van Gundy - The other white meat. Kinda like JVG reloaded?
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5/15/2006  2:03 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

No elite coach is coming here without a long-term guaranteed contract. Why would he? We are creating the same atmosphere with our coach's that we did with our players. Get your money!!!

It's so sad so many fans are okay with the same old cycle every year.

No elite coach signs a short term unguaranteed contract anywhere.
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5/15/2006  2:04 PM
IT better coach. He made this mess he better at least and fix it. And or btw, he will fail.
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5/15/2006  2:22 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

People with half a brain will realize this team is not contructed to win a championship and will not be as long as Isiah Thomas is running this show. Isiah Thomas coming in and coaching this team to a sub500 record and a 8th seed in the playoffs does not float my boat and it does not excite me whatsoever. The people that want to see Isiah take charge of this team are beyond short-sighted and that's fine if you like mediocrity.

The goal in the NBA is to win a championship and not to be mediocre for years to come. This goal has long since passed the New York Knicks and their fans.

i completely agree w/all that... but it's clear that Dolan has put all his trust into Isiah... so i say give him the reigns & let him coach this mess... it's clear that no one else can.
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5/15/2006  2:35 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
If the Knicks get rid of Brown and add a starting-caliber PF who defends and rebounds they will be fine.

I love it. I wasn't here last year to know, but all I used to hear last year on the realGM board was all we needed to do was dump Lenny and Kurt and we'd "be fine."

Now all we gotta do is bring them back and we'll be fine...

Ahhh, the revolving door to mediocrity.
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5/15/2006  2:46 PM
Atleast Thomas will play these guys enough to raise their trade value. That's another problem I had with Brown. You don't like Steph, fine let Thomas and whoever know the deal. Don't go out and try to wreck any value that player may have (Francis). That's the problem with Brown running a team. His emotions cloud his decisions.
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5/15/2006  3:01 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by crzymdups:
If the Knicks get rid of Brown and add a starting-caliber PF who defends and rebounds they will be fine.

I love it. I wasn't here last year to know, but all I used to hear last year on the realGM board was all we needed to do was dump Lenny and Kurt and we'd "be fine."

Now all we gotta do is bring them back and we'll be fine...

Ahhh, the revolving door to mediocrity.

Yeah I started realizing during last season that it's the same nonsense every year. Shame on me for taking 5 years to figure it out.

I can't believe fans still think this is about Brown. Since the day Patrick was traded it's been one bad move after another and there are still fans so naive as to think it's about Larry friggin Brown
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5/15/2006  3:05 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:


Larry also said he loved Larry Hughes but nevertheless, the young SG was playing in SAC after one season.

After 2 seasons, but who's counting. Any possibility he was moved so his talent wouldn't be wasted behind Allen Iverson?

It's like all the heat Brown took for not playing darko. Well yeah, because they were making championship runs and he was behind Ben, Sheed, Okur and McDyess.

In other situations he started and gave major minutes to guys like Willie Anderson, David Thompson, David Robinson, Buck Williams, Sean Elliot, etc. The talent and context are relevant, and there are reasons he was voted the best at developing youth by NBA GMs.

What people forget is that Dolan did not sign off on a 125M payroll just to watch his 5M worth of rookies steal the show. And people forget that guys like Sweets and Ariza got less burn last year, under coaches entirely manipulated by isiah, even though last year we had a draft pick which would have validated shutting down the veterans for the rookies.

How 'bout that, huh? The kids get more burn under Brown in a year without a pick than they did under Isiah in a year with a pick, and still it's Brown who gets the rep for holding back the kids. And Isiah had his beloved Al Harrington coming off the bench forever in Indy, behind Jalen Rose.
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5/15/2006  3:05 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Atleast Thomas will play these guys enough to raise their trade value. That's another problem I had with Brown. You don't like Steph, fine let Thomas and whoever know the deal. Don't go out and try to wreck any value that player may have (Francis). That's the problem with Brown running a team. His emotions cloud his decisions.

Marbury can average his 22 & 8 and teams still wouldn't touch him at this point
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5/15/2006  3:15 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Atleast Thomas will play these guys enough to raise their trade value. That's another problem I had with Brown. You don't like Steph, fine let Thomas and whoever know the deal. Don't go out and try to wreck any value that player may have (Francis). That's the problem with Brown running a team. His emotions cloud his decisions.

Marbury can average his 22 & 8 and teams still wouldn't touch him at this point

Guns, thats just stupid. IF not for the Larry fiasco, his value would have been much higher.
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5/15/2006  3:22 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Atleast Thomas will play these guys enough to raise their trade value. That's another problem I had with Brown. You don't like Steph, fine let Thomas and whoever know the deal. Don't go out and try to wreck any value that player may have (Francis). That's the problem with Brown running a team. His emotions cloud his decisions.

Marbury can average his 22 & 8 and teams still wouldn't touch him at this point

Guns, thats just stupid. IF not for the Larry fiasco, his value would have been much higher.

No, THAT IS STUPID. Why the hell do you think the Knicks got Marbury so cheap? Do you think Phoenix(after trading Jason Kidd mind you) just wanted to give away Stephon Marbury. Marbury's value has been set and he's been a known coach killer and team cancer long before the Knicks got him.
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5/15/2006  3:29 PM
nice footer...you really love fishy.

Hey, like I've said over and over and over, I'm a knick fan. I always show my face.

I didn't disappear when JJ sucked this year.

And I endorsed the LB hiring, and once again, I'm still here, cheering on my team.

Why are you here?
Posted by simrud:

Yo RV I'm callin you out right now, if IT is the caoch and start like 5 and 10, you better show your face here and not pull a Hardcore.

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5/15/2006  3:35 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Atleast Thomas will play these guys enough to raise their trade value. That's another problem I had with Brown. You don't like Steph, fine let Thomas and whoever know the deal. Don't go out and try to wreck any value that player may have (Francis). That's the problem with Brown running a team. His emotions cloud his decisions.

Marbury can average his 22 & 8 and teams still wouldn't touch him at this point

Guns, thats just stupid. IF not for the Larry fiasco, his value would have been much higher.

if everyone knows that lb's f'd up these guys, then their value shouldn't be diminised. none of the teams we will trade them to will have lb as a coach.
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5/15/2006  3:36 PM
Come on floppy, now you are saying we got Marbury Cheap? Wasn't it a few months ago you said this was another player Zeke OVERPAID for.

I'm just about to add you to the "ignore this kids posts" pile because at this point, you just don't have any love to give to anyone.

Root for the nets...please. You're just trying to bash whoever you can, whenever you can, just to bash.

Marbury is a solid player, so solid that he was picked to play on the olympic team.

LB has bashed AI, lebron, melo, wade, etc. He's a public basher.
he's also endorsed a bunch of career losers as well (how many champsionships do eric snow and theo ratliff have?)

To start to suddenly take his statements as scripture shows more of the blind love for this career choker. He has one NBA championship that he picked up from a 50 win team. The next year, back to choking.

It's not about larry for me, but it is for some of you that support anything and everything he says and does because he finally got his NBA championship after 25 years of coaching.

Posted by nyk4ever:


No, THAT IS STUPID. Why the hell do you think the Knicks got Marbury so cheap? Do you think Phoenix(after trading Jason Kidd mind you) just wanted to give away Stephon Marbury. Marbury's value has been set and he's been a known coach killer and team cancer long before the Knicks got him.

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5/15/2006  3:41 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Come on floppy, now you are saying we got Marbury Cheap? Wasn't it a few months ago you said this was another player Zeke OVERPAID for.

I'm just about to add you to the "ignore this kids posts" pile because at this point, you just don't have any love to give to anyone.

Root for the nets...please. You're just trying to bash whoever you can, whenever you can, just to bash.

Marbury is a solid player, so solid that he was picked to play on the olympic team.

LB has bashed AI, lebron, melo, wade, etc. He's a public basher.
he's also endorsed a bunch of career losers as well (how many champsionships do eric snow and theo ratliff have?)

To start to suddenly take his statements as scripture shows more of the blind love for this career choker. He has one NBA championship that he picked up from a 50 win team. The next year, back to choking.

It's not about larry for me, but it is for some of you that support anything and everything he says and does because he finally got his NBA championship after 25 years of coaching.

Posted by nyk4ever:


No, THAT IS STUPID. Why the hell do you think the Knicks got Marbury so cheap? Do you think Phoenix(after trading Jason Kidd mind you) just wanted to give away Stephon Marbury. Marbury's value has been set and he's been a known coach killer and team cancer long before the Knicks got him.

RV, I don't care what list you add me to, you don't bring anything to this site.

But to respond to your question. Yes the Knicks got Marbury cheap but getting Marbury period is OVERPAYING for him. The guy is not worth any trade. Trading a rack of basketballs is overpaying for him, but it is cheap. Now I'm sure, you'll read this and find many more things to pick on but thats it. If you don't understand it, too bad.
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5/15/2006  3:42 PM
ok...so we got him on the cheap AND we overpaid for him.

makes sense. keep on truckin baby. keep on truckin.

quick question...we paid larry brown about $500K per win, did we overpay for him?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 05-15-2006 3:43 PM]
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5/15/2006  3:44 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

ok...so we got him on the cheap AND we overpaid for him.

makes sense. keep on truckin baby. keep on truckin.

quick question...we paid larry brown about $500K per win, did we overpay for him?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 05-15-2006 3:43 PM]
Yes his contract was bloated, that doesn't mean I'd rather let someone else build the team than him.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 05-15-2006 3:45 PM]
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5/15/2006  3:51 PM
I'm still looking for more news on this... No official word yet?

IF it happens, why not Isiah?
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5/15/2006  4:06 PM
because he's not larry brown. IT is a good coach for the young player mentality. He got wins out of that extremely young indiana team and got the boot due to conflicts with the franchise player and GM, but he still won more games than larry did when he got fired.

I like larry, I don't love him, and there is a method to his madness, but this year his madness was a bit overboard.

I think he forgot what it was like to be in New York...ask riley and don nelson.
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5/15/2006  4:08 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Pharzeone:


Larry also said he loved Larry Hughes but nevertheless, the young SG was playing in SAC after one season.

After 2 seasons, but who's counting. Any possibility he was moved so his talent wouldn't be wasted behind Allen Iverson?

I got to agree with that. Stackhouse & Hughes were both moved because they couldn't play with Iverson and Iverson couldn't play with them. Brown took those guys away, gave him guys like Snow & Mckie. He moved Iverson to shooting guard where he could use his unstoppable ability to score. Hated Iverson's work ethic. But loved his passion for the game. He put Iverson IN A POSITION OF STRENGTH and Iverson brought him to the finals. Iverson was worse than Marbury.

Check this article out that I found.
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5/15/2006  4:08 PM
Final Answer, Part 1

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By by Tom Friend


You know him as The Answer, or A.I., but ESPN The Magazine's Tom Friend introduces you to Bubba Chuck -- the real Allen Iverson. Here's Part 1 of our March 16 cover story. Click here for Part 2.


Happy birthday, Bubba Chuck, you're about to be traded to the Clippers! Bubba Chuck is hearing this over the phone last summer, hearing this from the man who runs the franchise, hearing this from the loudest talker he's ever met. But Bubba Chuck is going to get a word in, bitch, and he's going to get it in now.


He's saying, You want to trade me? Trade me for Grant Hill, but don't trade me for some lame-ass Clipper. Don't trade me for holding up the bus, or for eating tacos for breakfast, or for hiding in the can during weightlifting sessions, or for showing up for practice with only one Reebok on. Don't trade me for all that silly BS because I can control that. You hear me?


I'm 25 now, man, just turned the other day, and 25 means I'm all grown up now. I'm getting married, man, you hear me? I'm gonna buy me a bigger house in Philly, and I want my boy, Deuce, to be proud of me, to know that I do what I'm told, that I'm a pro, that I'm captain of the whole damn team. Where I come from, not a lot of people make it to 25, but I made it, and I didn't even have some whup-ass party to celebrate it. Because I want a ring, and I want to pour champagne on Coach, and you may think I'm a thug punk, but I'm not.


So, if you're gonna trade me, trade me for basketball reasons, trade me because you can get a superstar in return. But don't trade me because I wear do-rags to and from games, man. Tell that to Coach, tell that to him, please.


And then Bubba Chuck shuts up for a second, and the man who runs the franchise, the man who went from taping Sixers ankles to owning Sixers ankles, is thinking, Hallelujah. And then he hollers to Bubba Chuck, Do it then. You do it! That's all you gotta do. You will not be traded. Walk the talk, Bubba. You walk it.


And he and Bubba Chuck went on to chat for 90 minutes, and the man who runs the franchise did only 10 or 12 minutes of the talking. And they were about to hang up when Bubba Chuck said, Now go tell Coach, go tell Coach, and he didn't refer to Coach as the bleeping coach, either. And the man who runs the franchise called his general manager, Billy King, and he said, I've just had the most amazing conversation with Bubba Chuck and if 50% of what he says is true, we're in heaven.


But they didn't want to be gullible, because Bubba Chuck had made promises before, ever since he entered the league from Georgetown. Back then, the man who runs the franchise wanted to get to know the kid and his people. So, when he drafted the kid, he said, Hi, I'm Pat Croce. I run the team, and asked the kid for his nickname. The kid said his posse called him Bubba Chuck, back from his days growing up in Hampton, Va., and Croce thought that was cool; that was what he was going to call him too.


But Bubba Chuck's posse began dragging him down, and soon they and Bubba Chuck got arrested for gun possession (he got three years probation), and the man who runs the franchise warned the posse to clean up its act, and some in that posse talked back. So this is what the Sixers were dealing with, a raw 20-year-old, and even though he scored 40 points or more five games in a row his rookie season, Bubba Chuck needed to be reeled in, needed to be coached. And the man who runs the franchise brought in a doozy, too. For Bubba Chuck's second year, he brought in someone a whole lot like Bubba Chuck: Larry Brown.


And for three years Brown tried to get inside Bubba Chuck's head, and it was futile -- until last summer when Bubba Chuck turned 25 and finally said to the coach, I'm yours. He showed up for training camp 15 pounds under his playing weight. (Well, you wouldn't eat either if you were going to be traded to the Clippers, he says.) And the team started 10-0, and Bubba Chuck was busting his bony rear end. Not only was he always on time, but he played with a sore hip, a raw elbow, a partially dislocated shoulder, a twisted knee and a sore quad. He played hurt and scored a career-high 54 at Cleveland, and he scored at least 40 at least a dozen other times, and then he kissed the ground when the coach and the man who runs the franchise traded for Dikembe Mutombo.


And so the team is now a legit championship contender, and he is a legit MVP contender, and the three of them have done it. And that is what this tale is about. Three men who have figured it out. Three men who have lost their fathers, and, at various times, their minds. Three men who keep the Sixers rolling because of a simple dance they do, where the coach tears Bubba Chuck down, and the man who runs the franchise builds Bubba Chuck back up. It is obviously all a work-in-progress, because the coach or the player could snap at any moment. But like Bubba Chuck says, he is 25 now, and he can take it. Come on, man, Allen Iverson says. I'm halfway to 50.


***

Allen Iverson cannot live with Larry Brown or without him. This is some mess Bubba Chuck is in, prospering under a coach he sometimes wishes he wouldn't prosper under. How these two got in synch is the mystery of the year, but it probably has to do with a simple premise: They're the same damn guy.


Iverson doesn't know Brown's story, but Brown knows Iverson's, because he has spoken to Iverson's mother, Ann, and Ann has told Brown she wants the best for her son even if it means Brown must scold him incessantly. And that made Brown think of his own life, and his own mother, because it was just he and she and a brother for a while. Living over a bakery. Living without any heat.


The coach is 60 now, and he can talk about it, can talk about going more than a month without knowing his father was dead. He can talk about his temper, how he got kicked out of the Atlantic Coast Conference for punching Duke's Art Heyman. How he grew up in a black and Jewish neighborhood on Long Island. How he was semi-adopted by an unbelievable family. How he found discipline. How today he alternately loves to coach Allen Iverson and hates to coach Allen Iverson. All of this helps explain the vagabond in Brown -- the nine jobs in 29 years -- and his hypersensitivity. All of this helps explain why earlier this season, Brown contemplated quitting the Sixers.


But it all goes back a ways. He was the 7-year-old son of a furniture salesman, back in Brooklyn, and his father would leave for Pittsburgh on Sunday nights and be there until Friday at dusk. It was taxing on the family, and the road gave his father a heart attack, and the only way to solve it was to pack up and move to Pittsburgh.


They found a house to buy there, but 22 days before move-in day, his father caught a cold. It was a Sunday night, and his father seemed listless. His mother dropped him at the hospital, and later that evening a nurse called to say hurry back. By the time his mother arrived, her husband was dead from a second heart attack.


The next morning, a relative gave the news to Brown's 12-year-old brother, Herb, who reacted angrily. So the family decided to keep it all from Larry, who simply thought his father was on a long business trip. All Larry knew was that they were flying back to Brooklyn, to live in the attic over his grandfather's bakery, where the workers would share the family toilet. He had no idea he'd missed a funeral, and it was more than a month before he heard the truth. "How did I react?" Brown asks now. "I think you probably block some of that stuff out."

He played ball all the time, well enough to win sponsorship to a basketball camp in the Poconos every summer. He became a camp counselor, and that's when teaching and coaching got in his blood. All the campers begged to sit at his dinner table because he was the coolest and best-dressed counselor. But he'd shock them by making them eat their vegetables. It started then, the discipline.


A camper named Brent Glass was Larry's favorite. Brent played hard, got the most out of his ability, and that was Larry's MO too. Larry then hit it off with Glass' father, Joe, and before long, the Glasses were asking Larry to move into their Woodmere, N.Y., home. When Larry enrolled at North Carolina to play for Frank McGuire, the Glass family could find his games only on a car radio. So they'd pile into their sedan, eat snacks and listen close.


At Chapel Hill, McGuire needed to rein in Brown. In one early game, Brown was a 5'8" kamikaze, challenging post men twice his size. McGuire's post-game comment was, "I go to Long Island to get one smart Jewish kid to run my team, and Brown comes down and plays like a crazy Irishman."



But eventually McGuire taught Brown what Brown would later try to teach Iverson. He would scold him, Brown would mope, and Joe Glass or Brown's uncles would always tell Brown, "If they're not on you, they don't love you."


It is 40 years later, and Larry Brown is being Frank McGuire. He is always trying to get Iverson to defend, to play the right way, to distribute a little. He does not mean to tear him down; he's just nagging the way he's always nagged. "My advice for Iverson?" says Danny Manning, who got tired of Brown at Kansas and with the Clippers. "Listen to what Coach Brown says, not how he's saying it."


The coach had a plan; always has. When Brown arrived in Philly, he realized he had to surround Iverson with lunch-pail players, which meant Derrick Coleman, Jerry Stackhouse, Tim Thomas and Larry Hughes all had to go. Brown seemed reactionary and power-starved, but what he did was give Iverson the cocoon he needed. The new acquisitions were Aaron McKie, Theo Ratliff (later sacrificed for Mutombo), Eric Snow, Tyrone Hill and George Lynch, and it wasn't their nature to gripe for the ball. They'd do the dirty work, Iverson the scoring. Brown convinced him if he gave up being point guard, if he simply let go of the ball, he'd get it back tenfold. He gave Allen a great gift: freedom.


Of course, Iverson had no clue. He abused everything Brown had created for him, showing up late to practices, games, buses and weight room sessions. "Allen would hide in the toilet when we'd lift weights," says John Croce, Pat's brother and until recently the team's strength coach. "He'd come in and eat 20, 25 tacos for breakfast -- I mean, he'd be in the locker room with bags of them -- and I don't know if they made him sick, but he'd spend the rest of the morning in the bathroom. There's no way he'd want to lift. He'd be, 'John, I'll be right there,' and then he'd disappear. I called him Casper."


Brown initially showed mercy on Iverson. Maybe part of it was he'd heard the whispers about Iverson from people in the organization. Whispers from people who called Iverson and his mother "The Beverly Hillbillies." Whispers that Iverson's mother wore sneakers with her mink coat. Whispers that Iverson had his posse pick up his mother at an airport one day, that they couldn't remember where they parked his sports utility vehicle and that she just went out and bought another one. Whispers that Iverson sold his house to teammate Matt Geiger, and that Geiger moved in to find a Mercedes in the garage and 25 pairs of new Timberland boots in the front bedroom. Whispers that Geiger also found cash just lying around on the rug.


So, for whatever reason, Brown protected Iverson -- against his own instincts. Brown had been taught long ago by McGuire and then Dean Smith to put the team first. By tolerating Iverson's insolence, he was breaking Tar Heel law. This burdened him, and he worried what other Sixers thought.


He pulled McKie aside to say, "I can't keep avoiding these issues with Allen being late and overlooking it, because you guys won't respect me." But McKie and Snow told Brown, "Let us handle it." Their idea was to drive Iverson to the arena themselves. But Brown's guilt kicked in, and he was trying to rationalize this double-standard he'd created when he told McKie, "Well, the little kid has had a pretty tough childhood." McKie's response: "Well, 12 guys in that locker room could probably say the same." And that's the statement that rocked Brown.


McKie was right -- what made Iverson so special? And that's when Brown started climbing all over Iverson, which in turn was when Brown learned the dos and don'ts of coaching Bubba Chuck.


Rule No.1: Critique him in private. If not, he'll rebel. "Aaron McKie once told me Allen had some loose wires; that he doesn't respond in a group setting very well," Brown says. "And I told Allen that. And Allen kind of laughed, and he said, 'No, no, no, Coach, I can do it. You can get on me.' But there's no way. He's got too much pride. He can't."


Rule No.2: If you yank him from the game, cover your ears. Brown, who normally spreads playing time around, has given Iverson more minutes than any player he's ever coached. But Iverson still whines. "Every time I take him out now, he gets upset," Brown says. "Even this year against Golden State. He'd just dislocated his shoulder five days earlier, and it was his first game back, and I took him out, and I hear, 'If I'd known I'd be sitting on the bench, I wouldn't have come back tonight.' I mean, he was playing 40-something minutes and saying this. But I go through this every game."


Rule No.3: If you get rid of his friends, cover your ears. It came to a head when the team released his pal Vernon Maxwell this season. A despondent Iverson went storming to Brown to say, "All my best friends are released or traded," which Brown denied to his face. "I said, 'Vernon isn't gone because he was close to you,'" Brown says. "But Allen said, 'What about Stackhouse?' And then he himself said, 'No, you're right, I couldn't have played with Stackhouse.' And then he said, 'Larry Hughes!' And then he said, 'Oh, you're right, I knew Larry had to leave because he and I play the same position.' And then all that stuff stopped."


Of course, while Brown was learning these rules, he nearly traded him. Iverson almost went first to the Clippers and then to Detroit in a four-team, 22-player deal last summer that would have brought Eddie Jones, Jerome Williams and Glen Rice to Philadelphia. "It came close, brother, it came close," says the man who runs the franchise. And that was why Croce called Iverson this summer, to say goodbye, and that's when Iverson tried talking him out of it. No one will disclose why the deals fell through, and Iverson says, "I'm glad because I never want to leave Philly."


It's strange he says that, considering he's received e-mails in Philly threatening the life of 2-year-old Deuce, who's already in cornrows, and his 5-year-old daughter, Tiaura. Or considering he's had racial epithets spray-painted in his backyard. But ever since the trades fell through, he has rarely been tardy. He has lifted his weights, gained 17 pounds and given up tacos for eggs and fruit. "He calls it his 'get-thick' program," John Croce says. And Brown named him co-captain.


"I mean, this is a different animal," Brown says of Iverson. "This is a kid who's just so different from any other that's ever been put on this planet, and it just takes time. You'll go through peaks and valleys, and you just have to fight through it. I think in his own way, he's made unbelievable strides, and he's trying real hard. And I think in five years if I'm still here, I could be saying the same thing. That he's still trying to find himself."


The truth is, Iverson is always in some maelstrom. Last season in Indiana, a heckler shouted that Iverson was "born from a dog" and that his mother was "a German shepherd." Iverson bit his lip that day, but during a national TV game against the Pacers this season, he called a heckler a "faggot," saying the fan called him a jailbird and a monkey. Considering the June release of his much-hyped Misunderstood, a CD full of homophobic and sexist lyrics, his timing was awful. But this is Iverson, and there are more raw stories out there.


For instance, against Utah in Philadelphia this December, when Iverson was lighting up John Stockton for 45 points, a Jazz official says Iverson got in Stockton's ear and said, "No f---ing white boy is going to stop me." Karl Malone was livid.


So, it is always something. And that's where the man who runs the franchise comes in.


Next: Pat Croce referees the tempestuous relationship between star and coach.

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[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 05-15-2006 4:11 PM]
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If Brown is out (however it happens) who do you want to coach this team for the next 3-5 years?

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