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Mac
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5/14/2006  10:41 AM
...just saw on ESPN that NY has "begun the process" of buying out LB.
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5/14/2006  10:43 AM


One thing we know now is that this team will be ready to play next year...Now we will see who is for real and who is not...Now we will see what plans Zeke have for this organization.....YES!
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5/14/2006  10:46 AM

Wow...So when does camp open?...Yes!!!!

[Edited by - holfresh on 05-14-2006 10:46 AM]
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5/14/2006  10:46 AM
Someone buy a lot of tissues for Bip!
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5/14/2006  10:49 AM
Boston has won the division and made the playoffs 2 of Danny's 3 years.

all while getting younger and more athletic and cutting payroll. you're right bonn, the Zeke way is clearly better .

hol you're right nothing could be better than this. Once the team is 10 under come December, no way Dolan re-ups isiah.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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5/14/2006  10:56 AM
Boston has won the division and made the playoffs 2 of Danny's 3 years.
all while getting younger and more athletic and cutting payroll. you're right bonn, the Zeke way is clearly better
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5/14/2006  10:56 AM
Posted by McK1:

Boston has won the division and made the playoffs 2 of Danny's 3 years.

all while getting younger and more athletic and cutting payroll. you're right bonn, the Zeke way is clearly better .

hol you're right nothing could be better than this. Once the team is 10 under come December, no way Dolan re-ups isiah.



Come on bro...Where's the love...Isn't it time we kiss and make up after all our bitter disputes..I must say, this day rivals the Patrick Ewing draft pick for me...I can't remember being so excited for a Knick event in the off season in recent memory...YES!!!
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5/14/2006  11:26 AM
Having Isiah as GM and coach will be great for our players, all they ever really needed was a hug.
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5/14/2006  11:29 AM
Posted by oohah:

I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I like, totally predicted this.

Maybe I am trying to brag.

oohah
I remember you saying it and agreeing with your reasons. Either he gets these POS players to do something or we get them ALL out of town, starting with Zeke. Fine. Make him coach and if we arent winning by the trade deadline can his ass.

Either way, firing Brown is a huge mistake. Watch what he does for Sac

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5/14/2006  11:40 AM
Posted by fishmike:

firing Brown is a huge mistake.
I agree with you, mainly because of who is replacing him. Another problem: Not giving LB another chance. Given his track record, I think he should coach atleast another year. If the team still stinks, then replace him. Larry Brown sucked this year. He couldnt even settle on a rotation. He asked for Steve and Jalen. He didnt play Lee enough and played Nate too much. We had talent but the record was still horrible. I am positive the team will have a better record with Isiah as the coach but the team will never win a championship.
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5/14/2006  11:43 AM
Very interesting goings-on.

Key reasons to keep Brown:

The guy has won everywhere.

His key nemesis was Stephon, a guy who's left shambles everywhere he's been.

Isiah's time as a coach was not exactly lauded. It was noted for playoff crumbles.

The centerpieces of a roster Brown was expected to win with were Eddy Curry, Stephon and a rookie. C'mon now.

What is anyone expected to do with Mo Taylor, Steve Francis, Jalen and Malik Rose, Jamal, Q, JJ (sorry, Game!)? This ain't a roster of winners, folks. It lost its one and only bit of inside credibility when AD left.

Now, key reasons to dump Brown:

Never has one man caused so much havoc and turmoil within an organizaiton and caused a mutiny by this many of his players. Especially when he's such a high-profile highly-paid guy.

Larry's control-freak, cantankerous ways usually get him botted out of a job after a few years. This time the combination of elements was so combustible that the s**t hit the fan almost immediately.

This team needs some offensive innovation to take advantage of it best pieces. Yeah they're flawed, but you really do need to play to their strengths, as Larry briefly discovered when he "gave up" on his schemes, loosened his reins for a little while, and the team responded with 6 straight wins.

If Larry stays and "demands" his players, it puts a stranglehold on the organization. Isiah should get to shoot his whole shot and let's see if it wokrs. These are his players, he's got everything riding on them, Larry clearly didn't adapt to them, let Isiah have a chance at redemption or bear the ful burden for his decisions.


Oaky, there are the 2 sides. Personally, I find merit both ways. But . . . it's choosing time. I choose . . .

Keep Larry.

This past season was largely the result of the worst in Larry colliding with the worst in Steph. Larry way overplayed his controlling, criticizing, Father Knows Best role, and I think learned a tough lesson in just how far to go in alienating and provoking people. He would have learned this a long time ago in Philly but Iverson has much more resilience than Marbury and Croce saved Larry's butt countless times. The "lessons learned" in Detroit with Davidson were quickly blotted out thanks to $50M and a chance to return home.

Larry is indeed a proven winner in coaching basketball teams. His track record does matter. How could it not?

It's time to place your bets - I'd rather bet on Larry learning something from his all-time worst season of coaching and probably worst experience in basketball. On his approaching this season differently and applying other parts of his skill base and his personality to bring about other results.

And what's the othoer choice? Isiah? I don't have positive memories of him as a coach. He absolutely let RonRon run wild. Incident after incident, wrecking that team from within. And the huge playoff disappointments of his club. And does that mean Steph stays? Under any circumstances a guy in Steph's position now should be off the team, it's just too much baggage to carry into a fresh season.
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5/14/2006  11:43 AM
I will be extremely disappointed if Brown is bought out and a Zeke is brought in to replace him. I can live with buying out Brown but at least bring in a coach like Stan Van or even Adelman (who is adept at running a team without using defense)-both coaches who are infinately better than Zeke.

If Zeke takes over this has a couple meanings to me, first of which is we are going to try and get Jermaine O'Neal. Zeke as the head coach would be a huge tool in getting Jermaine to come here. Also it points to me that this is Zeke's last chance.

I stood behind Zeke when he was here and looked at a bunch of his moves but if this goes down, this is 2 Hall of fame coaches down who couldn't win with a roster he made up.

I will say this though...if LB is out, there is no repectable coach going to take this team over with Dolan at the helm and deciding to keep these players and ousting arguably the 2nd best coach in the league (I put him on par with Phil with Riley being the best).

If LB is gone be ready for alot of 2nd and 3rd tier coaches.
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5/14/2006  11:44 AM
Shouldn't we just let Marbury coach the team?
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5/14/2006  11:45 AM
WTF is wrong with Dolon, this guy has got to be the biggest jerk of all time. LB was a major problem no doubt, but give me a break...after only one season u fire him becuase he publicly bashes this ridiculous roster. This franchise is absolutely lost lost lost.

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5/14/2006  11:46 AM
so exactly how much are we going to pay for al harrington?
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5/14/2006  11:48 AM
Posted by Marv:

Very interesting goings-on.

Key reasons to keep Brown:

The guy has won everywhere.

His key nemesis was Stephon, a guy who's left shambles everywhere he's been.

Isiah's time as a coach was not exactly lauded. It was noted for playoff crumbles.

The centerpieces of a roster Brown was expected to win with were Eddy Curry, Stephon and a rookie. C'mon now.

What is anyone expected to do with Mo Taylor, Steve Francis, Jalen and Malik Rose, Jamal, Q, JJ (sorry, Game!)? This ain't a roster of winners, folks. It lost its one and only bit of inside credibility when AD left.

Now, key reasons to dump Brown:

Never has one man caused so much havoc and turmoil within an organizaiton and caused a mutiny by this many of his players. Especially when he's such a high-profile highly-paid guy.

Larry's control-freak, cantankerous ways usually get him botted out of a job after a few years. This time the combination of elements was so combustible that the s**t hit the fan almost immediately.

This team needs some offensive innovation to take advantage of it best pieces. Yeah they're flawed, but you really do need to play to their strengths, as Larry briefly discovered when he "gave up" on his schemes, loosened his reins for a little while, and the team responded with 6 straight wins.

If Larry stays and "demands" his players, it puts a stranglehold on the organization. Isiah should get to shoot his whole shot and let's see if it wokrs. These are his players, he's got everything riding on them, Larry clearly didn't adapt to them, let Isiah have a chance at redemption or bear the ful burden for his decisions.


Oaky, there are the 2 sides. Personally, I find merit both ways. But . . . it's choosing time. I choose . . .

Keep Larry.

This past season was largely the result of the worst in Larry colliding with the worst in Steph. Larry way overplayed his controlling, criticizing, Father Knows Best role, and I think learned a tough lesson in just how far to go in alienating and provoking people. He would have learned this a long time ago in Philly but Iverson has much more resilience than Marbury and Croce saved Larry's butt countless times. The "lessons learned" in Detroit with Davidson were quickly blotted out thanks to $50M and a chance to return home.

Larry is indeed a proven winner in coaching basketball teams. His track record does matter. How could it not?

It's time to place your bets - I'd rather bet on Larry learning something from his all-time worst season of coaching and probably worst experience in basketball. On his approaching this season differently and applying other parts of his skill base and his personality to bring about other results.

And what's the othoer choice? Isiah? I don't have positive memories of him as a coach. He absolutely let RonRon run wild. Incident after incident, wrecking that team from within. And the huge playoff disappointments of his club. And does that mean Steph stays? Under any circumstances a guy in Steph's position now should be off the team, it's just too much baggage to carry into a fresh season.

oooooh, marv plays good cop/bad cop....and making the right choice. <applause>

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-14-2006 11:50 AM]
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5/14/2006  11:48 AM
I just have a vision of all our players coming into camp and getting down on a knee to kiss the hands of Isiah.

"Thank you, godfather."
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5/14/2006  11:48 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Shouldn't we just let Marbury coach the team?

coach? coach? we talkin' bout no set plays man. we talkin' bout no set plays...
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5/14/2006  11:48 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

so exactly how much are we going to pay for al harrington?

Frye, Lee, Nate and a first rounder for Harrington
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5/14/2006  11:50 AM
LB is getting just what he deserves. He has acted like an ******* from day 1. You can't publically demean your charges on any level jr. high, h.s or pro and expect them to want to paly hard for you.

Who is going to set up the poll so we can see just where people stand on this?
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