#4 I saw Marbury try hard in the beginning of the season to up his defense even when we were losing. Also saw Marbury quit in the Orlando game, And play with no sense of urgency in the 4th quarter of the first Laker game. Then try hard again, and pull off a 5 or was it 6 game win streak before he got injured. We all know Marbury tried. Don't make false claims.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by joec32033:

As a comparison, Jamal is someone who ate, slept, and shat LB's philosophy.

I cannot take you seriously with this bs. This guy sucked on defense and offense ALL SEASON LONG. He brings his A game for 11 games when the games are meaningless, you wanna paint his season in this way. This is the biggest crock of sh!t out of them all.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by joec32033:

My conclusion=After seeing the effort Q, Jamal, Butler, Q2 put into learning LB's philosophy how can you honeslty say Steph tried his hardest....oh wait you didn't...you avoided my point.

I think Steph tried his hardest and it finally culminated in a 6 game winning streak. He went down, came back, and was never was able to play as aggressively for the rest of the season due to the injury.

        	G 	GS 	MPG 	FG% 	3P% 	FT% 	OFF 	DEF 	RPG 	APG 	SPG 	BPG 	PPG
 In November 	14 	14 	38.9 	.471 	.300 	.684 	.5 	3.0 	3.5 	6.5 	1.0 	.07 	17.8
 In December 	14 	14 	38.9 	.410 	.150 	.827 	.8 	2.5 	3.3 	6.1 	1.6 	.07 	18.1
 In January 	13 	13 	39.5 	.464 	.303 	.847 	.2 	2.9 	3.1 	8.1 	1.0 	.08 	18.6
 In February 	4 	4 	27.8 	.297 	.667 	.500 	.3 	2.3 	2.5 	3.0 	.2 	.00 	7.5
 In March 	15 	15 	31.9 	.500 	.429 	.698 	.3 	1.7 	2.0 	5.9 	.9 	.07 	13.5 

As you can see he played more games in March than in any other month but his numbers are waaaaaay down relative to the other months (not including the 4 games in Feb.). He peaked in January, we had the streak, then he went down. He came back too soon and then went back out and missed most of February. When he came back in March he wasnt 100% and said he wouldnt be for the rest of the season. I think that had more to do with his style of play than anything, he wasn't nearly as aggressive or effective, and say what you want, no one has ever accused him of tanking his own numbers.

I judge him by his body of work, for the entire season, not just the month of March which is what i believe most here do.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 05-12-2006 4:17 PM]

Posted by gr33d:

I don't post here much, but the topic/posts are incredible. Of course we're all fans and have our own opinions, but you guys have gone back and fouth with some great counters. Here is my take on latest the players vs. Brown debate:

Brown failed miserably in all facets of coaching this season.

Establish an identity/game plan based on clubs strengths [check]
Settle on a rotation [check]
Provide steady & trustworthy leadership [check]
Instill a sustained level of work ethic & confidence [check]

While I'll admit that we may not have the most well-rounded group of players, we could've and should've done more with what we have. Instead we forced a tempo and style of play that the team just didn't seem to buy into. Not just Marbury, but everyone. How is it possible to collect a group of players so talented, yet garner so little. Was everyone half-assing it or was the game plan full of faults to begin with? If over the course of 82 games we don't see improvement (in at the very least fundamentals), how can we expect next year to be any different? We controlled Nates energetic outbursts and Crawford drove the ball more, yay. From a HOF coach, I just thought we'd get a little more bang for our buck! This is why I can't (no matter how much I hate the thought) blame Isiah for not protecting the pick. Going into last season with these players and this coach, what were the odds of not making the playoffs in the East... Somebody made money in Vegas