whats talent got to do with anything? So long as the guys are tall we will be good.

Rebounding is rebounding bad team good team it's just a skill witch Forston happens to be in the top 3 in the league. rebounding is a large component to winning and with Dice and fortson rebounding together that make the Knicks one of the best rebounding teams irregardless of height.

Mike Miller is a 22 year old potential superstar player who ALREADY is as good as any Knick right now. His talent combined with his age would make him immediately the most valuable Knick. this is a 6-8 kid a true small forward one we havent had in a LONG time who is TOUGH plays inisde and outside and will be a 20-6-5 player for 8-10 years. this is the kind of talent upgrade that would put the Knicks through the roof. hes a 40% three point shooter and a mid 40 shooter in general who alos rebounds pretty well.

Darrell armstrong is just as good as NVE and Damon Stoudamiare right now--just take a look at the stats going back the last thre years and talk about heart++++++ he is an ending contract and we wont owe him 50MM we could always resign him to a 2 year reasonable deal after the season or just extend it when we get him. IF we could ever get him.


You have to give up a LOT to get and IF Grant Hill really is coming back--how could this team not be desperate to get high QUALITY big players? Thomas and Harrington give them heart skill and probably 26-28--and 14 combined on close to 50% shooting. they'l never get that from any other team. the fact is IF they have Hill and Mcgrady they relly have to for it. The odds of picking up a player of Mike Miller are very low--if you have a chance take it.

The lineup I would put on the court would be
Mcdyess-6-9 245
fortson 6-8 265
Miller 6-8 210
Houston 6-6 200
Armstrong 6-1 185
Sprewell 6th man
Mills
Doleac
Spoon
Williams

I think if you put that team together legitimately the Knicks could go from 30 wins to 50+ wins with that type of talent and bench play ++ rebounding. that would be the highest skill team in the east. Yes you probably helped out orlando in a differnt type of way because you give them two quality bigs to go along with Grant Mcraddy and Hill but i said both ways you have to give to receive.

I'm sure you misread what he said.

we currently don't have what they want, or, at least, we're not ready to give them what they want.

If we get forston, we can offer Thomas and maybe spoon or harrington.
They need big men who can bang a bit. Thomas's coming from a career year and has a good contract. Harrington is a good role player which is always good to have on a roster.

they won't be able to pay mike miller soon, since they have 2 big contracts (hill & Tmac). so, why wouldn't they get something back in return before he walk away ?

thomas is very appealing for that kind of teams. But we need the forston trade first to be able to expand thomas.

Forget all these other made-up trades. Fortson and Mills for Ward and Knight is the real deal and a steal for us. We need to take that and deal Thomas for a point guard. I think we're the best team in the east if this happens. No questions asked.
C McDyess(20pts,10rbs)
PF Fortson(11pts,11rbs)
SF Sprewell(18pts,4rbs,3asts)
SG Houston(18-20pts)
PG Van Exel/Stoudamire(12pts,7asts)

From a DA chat rap.

Rafael (New York): Hey David! is there any truth to the rumors of Fortson and Mills to the Knicks for Knight and Ward? I say the Knicks should make the trade if they get the chance.

David Aldridge: There have been discussions, though I've heard some slight variations. No question that Danny can flat out rebound when healthy and that he could help them.

Posted by BigSm00th:

"Then why dont you play Vince Carter at C. Height does make a huge difference."-Because they have Hakeem Olajuwon and Antonio Davis to play center. This is something completely different from what I was talking about.

"If Mutumbo wasnt 7'3" do you think he would be considered one of the best"-I don't know what you're trying to get across. Ben Wallace is 6'8" (just like Fortson), and he won NBA Defensive Player of the Year. The majority of the time he defended forwrads and centers who were bigger then he was. He was more talented then them.

There are only several good centers in the NBA(none of them are on the trading block). Look at the World Championship team. They'd much rather play a talented 4 (Brand, O'Neal, etc.) at center than bring in Raef LaFrentz and have him play center because he is a true center, even though he is less talented then the others, even though he has some height on those we get playing time in the pivot.

I'm not sure what your argument is, but Danny Fortson is a great rebounder. The Knicks need rebounding. Why wouldn't you want to do the trade? Who cares if is 6'8"? He gets rebounds.

I'm breaking it down as logically as I can. The Knicks give up two guys who aren't going to make an impact on this team. They acquire one player (Fortson) who will have an impact.

Now, falcindor, what point are you trying to make? He's only 6'8"? Well, he still gets the job done (top rebounder per 48 minutes). He wants playing time? He'll get playing time. If you could have the duo Shawn Bradley (7'6") and Todd MacCulloch (7'1") or Ben Wallace and Danny Fortson (both 6'8") to play your PF/C for your team, which would you rather have? Thank you.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 09/04/2002 14:21:51]

u hit every nail right on the head with this trade... this trade is the no brainer of no brainers if it really is on the table

Knicks should drag their feet. You have 24-hours after aquiring a player in trade to trade him again or wait 3 months to move him. Knicks arent really that high on Fortson because he is so small. But Forston does have value. I think Layden is trying to facilitate a deal that Fortson is traded again for a big man such as Olowakandi. Sounds crazy but Knicks might pull it off. The Clipps just sign Ely who can play the center position. Knicks may do something like:

Knicks trade:
Knight + Ward
for
Fortson + Mills

then Knicks immediately trade:
Fortson + 2003 1st round pick (counts as 3 mil) + 2003 2nd round pick + Cash
for
Michael Olowakandi (resigned 1 year/ 9 mil)
-------

Olowakandi wants the big bucks. He might take a 1 year deal and become unrestricted, but ultimately he gonna hit them for money. If Olowanki improves this year (and he will) he will demand no less than MAX. Clipper save a little monry this year by the pick. But they get picks they can use to move up in the draft and hopefully give a package for Lebron James. Olowankandi wants the cash and Knicks will gove it to him next summer. Olowankandi would do it of Knicks guarentee he is wanted and that they really want him long term (in otherwords: pay up)

The general rule with trade rumors involving the Knicks is that if you hear a trade rumor, whether it be from Chad Ford, any of the NY sports beat writers, especially Marc Berman, its not gonna happen. Sneaky Scott never shows his cards, and if something does leak out, its an attempt to boost the trade value of some of our current guys. This trade seems too good to be true. You get the best rebounder in the NBA for scrubs. It almost seems like the Mutombo trade that Scotty passed up on. I think it was Mutombo for Ward, KT, and Knight. I think this stuff is all just created to boost trade value. With the win now mentality that MSG seems to have it doesn't make sense why they would have passed up on Mutombo, nor would it make sense why they would pass up Fortson.

And who the hell are these shady league sources?????

Layden like Forstons skill but he lack height. Layden just wants time so he can manufacture a 3 way trade. There will be no way Layden will allow a 6'8" center. I dont care how talent some say he is. Rebounding is a team effort not a specific players responsibility. Fortsons rebounding skill wont win a championship. We need a good defender.

Posted by kevlofton:

Anybody got any comments on Thomas,Ward and Othello for Olowokandi?

In a word: yes. But it's not gonna happen.

Posted by kevlofton:

Anybody got any comments on Thomas,Ward and Othello for Olowokandi?

It's Othella.