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holfresh
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4/5/2006  10:36 PM
Posted by McK1:

so the Best PG in the league needs 4 othe all-NBA players on the court with him to look like a floor general.

holfresh you are making Stiph look more and more pathetic


You will not get any complaints from me about the way Marbs has played this year...If we had five guys playing at the level Marbs played at this year, we all would be singing a different tune right now...KG can't carry his team on his own...Paul Pierce can't do it on his own...Freeking TMac and Yoa Ming can't do it together....Marbs can't do it alone, he just doesn't know how to make people better around him...Come on...
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4/5/2006  10:44 PM
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I don't care who you are as a point gurad, you need players around you...no one point guard does it alone...You guys hold Steph to standards that no one else is held to...A point guard is only as good as his finishers...By the way, Q1 just missed another wide open 3 from the corner....

Bro, This is a guy(steph) who claims that he's the best pg in the NBA.. Do you really believe he's the best point guard in the NBA?? answer that question please..

You say he has no players around him, what are you talking about?? He has no leadership skills and cannot lead a team.. he is not your typical pg.. Always remember that your pg should not be your leading scorer on the team..

you can't win that way.. They suppose to orchestrate the offense, become a floor leader and make the players around them better..

look around the league with the best premier pg's: kidd, nash, rookie Chris paul, billups,andre miller.. they are not leading scorers for their team..


MArbury is a cancer!! He leaves phoenix and next yr they win the division with steve nash.. He leaves NJ then Kidd comes in and takes them to back to back NBA finals. He leaves minny and they win 50 games next yr with terrel brandon..

he'll be 29 or 30 next yr.. his clock is ticking.. he'll never be a complete player in this league..

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-05-2006 9:44 PM]

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-05-2006 9:50 PM]


Marbs is a talented point guard but not the best....It's doesn't hurt that those other point guard you mention outside of Chris Paul are playing next to two all-stars...All those other guard have players who score more than they do...You will never win if your point guard is your best player and the only guy that shows up on a nightly basis....Everyone can look like a great floor leader when they have people who are finishing plays for them....How do you think Marbs would look if Jefferson and Carter is finishing for him...A little different you have to admit....

my man, Marbs had stoudamire and shawn marion up in phoenix, the focal pt.on offense and same players Nash had. what are u talking about???? He(steph) had Kenyon, Van horn, kittles, kendall gill in NJ so what happened...

Kidd had them too with a rookie 6th man jefferson and took them to the finals.. In Minny, c'mon bro.. he had Garnett but couldn't get along with him and decided to bounce..

MArbury cannot make players around him better.. T. thomas played with marbury and wans't really effective, he goes to phoenix and is playing well with nash.. Qrich plays with Nash and had a career yr in 3 point shooting, he goes to the knicks and is having one of his worse yrs of his career..

MArbury is a jinx anywhere he goes.. let me and you bet $50.00 that when they trade starburied, the team will finish .500 or better while finally making the playoffs... If that's the case , what are you gonna say now??

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-05-2006 10:32 PM]



Amare was a rook, they went to the playoffs...Kenyon was a rook as well then broke his leg missed most of the season...KVH was out most of the season as well..so was Kittles and still think there was another name hurt but don't have it now....Everyone is all over Phoenix....The Suns are a regular season team...They can't do it in the playoffs...They have to play D in the playoffs and they don't but you will always say they are a great team and how good they are....Please...Take the hype into the playoffs and impress me......Also please don't base your agrument on TT's play...He has had an entire career that says he is not a player..So he scored 20 pts in the first game back and you want to give Nash a bronze star...please...Do something in the playoff to impress me...What is the point if running all year jacking up a record amount of 3's to get bumped in the first and second round of the playoffs....
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4/5/2006  10:47 PM
Marbs is not doing it alone.

just watched the last few minutes and OT of NOK/GS and Pauls 2nd triple-double.

Marbury hasn't recorded a double-digit rebound game sine 2001. His season high in rebounds this year is 7 back on Nov 11th.

Stephon does just enough to be able to say look I had a good game. He doesn't want to be a floor general. He doesn't want to make the energy/hussle play like garnering defensive rebounds to help his team win. He waits for others to chase the ball down

Kidd over the last 20 games last season averaged 18-9-9 to get that team, along with Carter and a just emerging Krstic into the play-offs.

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4/5/2006  10:49 PM
"In Minny, c'mon bro.. he had Garnett but couldn't get along with him and decided to bounce"


i noticed you didn't come up with something for minnesota.. . why is that??


Also, let's bet that knicks make the playoffs next yr without starburied and hit the .500 mark.. betcha it happens.. Marbury is a jinx..

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-05-2006 10:51 PM]
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4/5/2006  10:50 PM
...hol why are u arguing this season was a prettygood indication of what steph does

i supported steph, but he isnt a superstar, he's 2nd or 3rd tier now,
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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4/5/2006  10:50 PM
holfresh winning 60 games and about to win 50 minus Amare is a great team. get your head out of that hole man.

Suns went to the WCF's last season, they didn't fizzle in the first. They beat dallas in the 2nd round minus Joe. Nash in that series put up like 25 and 12 with about 7 rebounds.

they lost in 5 competitive games to the eventual World Champs in the WCF's.

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-05-2006 10:51 PM]
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4/5/2006  10:51 PM
Steph's attitude is no doubt a problem but the biggest reason why he's not had playoff success is that the best veteran he's ever played with is *Kurt Thomas* who's nothing more than a solid 6th man on a decent team.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04-05-2006 10:51 PM]
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4/5/2006  10:51 PM
yeah....mck1...amare was a beast, dropping 43 on duncan in one game, i hope he can retun to his old self
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4/5/2006  10:53 PM
Posted by McK1:

Marbs is not doing it alone.

just watched the last few minutes and OT of NOK/GS and Pauls 2nd triple-double.

Marbury hasn't recorded a double-digit rebound game sine 2001. His season high in rebounds this year is 7 back on Nov 11th.

Stephon does just enough to be able to say look I had a good game. He doesn't want to be a floor general. He doesn't want to make the energy/hussle play like garnering defensive rebounds to help his team win. He waits for others to chase the ball down

Kidd over the last 20 games last season averaged 18-9-9 to get that team, along with Carter and a just emerging Krstic into the play-offs.



I like the way you guys have the entire NBA to choose from and I have Marbs...ok thats cool...

Kidd is a great player, his style of works well with his strengh and size...he is very physical for a point guard...What can I tell you....All I know, on a level playing field, Marbs holds his own with anyone...he is not the best but he is no chump either...



[Edited by - holfresh on 04-05-2006 10:56 PM]
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4/5/2006  10:56 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

...hol why are u arguing this season was a prettygood indication of what steph does

i supported steph, but he isnt a superstar, he's 2nd or 3rd tier now,

Come on...hes not second or third tier....The guy has averaged 20 and 8 for 10 seasons...the BIG O, the only other player to do that...How is that second tier???
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4/5/2006  11:01 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Steph's attitude is no doubt a problem but the biggest reason why he's not had playoff success is that the best veteran he's ever played with is *Kurt Thomas* who's nothing more than a solid 6th man on a decent team.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 04-05-2006 10:51 PM]

and what of the young players he came up with? we should discount them because they were young?

Nash Dirk and Finley came up together.

Kidd was 26,27 when stirred in with youthful KMart and RJ.

Brandon was maybe 5th year as part of that youthful core that won 50 and made the play-offs like 5 straight years in Minny wining 45 (Steph's career high, achieved once) or better each time I believe.
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4/5/2006  11:03 PM
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Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

...hol why are u arguing this season was a prettygood indication of what steph does

i supported steph, but he isnt a superstar, he's 2nd or 3rd tier now,

Come on...hes not second or third tier....The guy has averaged 20 and 8 for 10 seasons...the BIG O, the only other player to do that...How is that second tier???


the Big O also grabbed a great deal of rebounds. like I said a few posts ago, Stiph hasn't had a double-digit rebounding game since 01.
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4/5/2006  11:03 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

...hol why are u arguing this season was a prettygood indication of what steph does

i supported steph, but he isnt a superstar, he's 2nd or 3rd tier now,

Come on...hes not second or third tier....The guy has averaged 20 and 8 for 10 seasons...the BIG O, the only other player to do that...How is that second tier???

what about starburied's defense??? The Big O played both sides of the court and was a floor leader.. that's why he was great.. Not marbs, can't play defense for his life and not a team leader.. Please don't insult one of the 50 greatest players..
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4/5/2006  11:04 PM
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holfresh winning 60 games and about to win 50 minus Amare is a great team. get your head out of that hole man.

Suns went to the WCF's last season, they didn't fizzle in the first. They beat dallas in the 2nd round minus Joe. Nash in that series put up like 25 and 12 with about 7 rebounds.

they lost in 5 competitive games to the eventual World Champs in the WCF's.

[Edited by - McK1 on 04-05-2006 10:51 PM]


Ok tks for that..I thought they got bumped out the second round last year...Still, I'm not impressed..4-1 is not a competitve series.....
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4/5/2006  11:09 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
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Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

...hol why are u arguing this season was a prettygood indication of what steph does

i supported steph, but he isnt a superstar, he's 2nd or 3rd tier now,

Come on...hes not second or third tier....The guy has averaged 20 and 8 for 10 seasons...the BIG O, the only other player to do that...How is that second tier???

what about starburied's defense??? The Big O played both sides of the court and was a floor leader.. that's why he was great.. Not marbs, can't play defense for his life and not a team leader.. Please don't insult one of the 50 greatest players..



Dude, I have great respect for guys from the past like the Big O but please don't compare the eras...I have seen Marbs play D against guys like Le Bron, Grant Hill, AI and some other shooting guards this year...I don't think the BIG O had to stand infront of anyone of that caliber..
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4/5/2006  11:12 PM
The eras were different bro trust me....Again I have great respect for these guys...but Bill Russell winning like 11 championships? there were only 8 teams in the league at the time...what is that??? Russell averaged like 22 boards a game at 6feet 9 inches and is build nothing like Ben Wallace....Please don't get me started
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4/5/2006  11:18 PM
LMAO...the Big O never faced players the caliber of Grant Hill and Lebron...MY GOD!!!


ROFL...Bill Russell is nothing like Ben Wallace

you have absolutely NO respect for the history and heritage of this game.
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4/5/2006  11:34 PM
Holfresh, where ya from?? planet pluto... You have no respect for the history of the game..

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but my god, the things you're saying..

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 04-05-2006 11:34 PM]
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4/5/2006  11:35 PM
Posted by McK1:

LMAO...the Big O never faced players the caliber of Grant Hill and Lebron...MY GOD!!!


ROFL...Bill Russell is nothing like Ben Wallace

you have absolutely NO respect for the history and heritage of this game.



No No No...Not true..I have too much respect for the game not to clarify myself...The game today is alot different...The game today is played above the rim versus the way it was played yest...My Ben Wallace reference refers to the physical speciment you have to be today to play center at 6 feet 9 inches....The athelete of today is far more explosive than those of yesteryear...Defense meant something different yesterday..But Nuff repect to yesterday's players but it's a different brand of ball....
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You know what you guys need to do...Catch the games form the 70's on NBA TV and we will talk again...
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