frat, karl, sloan and flip are good coaches but have no rings. Brown has a ring on both levels, college and the pros.. I agree with your post tho, most of those guys were coaching HOF players, larry has done more with little...

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by eymyel827:

holfresh is obviously an LB hater and a marbury lover. i'll put it this way. how many years have marbury been in NY? 3 years and we didnt win ****!!!! how many years have been LB in NY? get what the coach wants next season then we'll evaluate. dont be blaming the coach. the players are getting their money whether they play hard or not. LB wants PLAYERS and not ppl who mail it in. im fed up w marbury saying he wants to play in june..he wants to play here..... make ur ****en teammates better.....plus.he never played in june and i wonder why. he's flat out cancer get rid of him and we'll start winning. ask new jersey and pnoenix. if thers to blame ....blame isiah for bringing in crappy fat ass players. we need players with REAL PASSION for the game, and marbury's not one of em.

You are right, I am a Larry hater and a Marbs lover....Marbs has been better at his craft this year then Brown was at his...You Larry lovers can't be men and admit this...I am always ready to admit Marbs shortcomings and the effect of his negative attitude on this team...I have never backed away from that...But you have to be kidding when you think the problem on this team is Marbs...If the organization thinks that Marbs is it's problem and trades him and leaves eveything else the same then get ready for another 15 win season...


You guys think ball movement will some how magically score baskets...You still need players who are able to put the ball in the hole....I'm not saying ball movement isn't a good thing, but if you think the Knicks will win with only Larry on it's sideline, with average players you don't know the game...I have said this many times...This is the NBA...A league about players, not coaches...In college, a coach has a bigger impact on a game's outcome...Coaches in the NBA has impact when they prepare their teams for games..Players determine the outcome of games...If you think Larry on your sidelines means victories you are not understanding what you are seeing in this league...

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:


It's the coach's job to put the players in the best position to win..That means playing to their strengths. Not tyring to play a certain style that doesn't compliment your players abilities....It means putting a lineup out there on a consistant basis so the players can learn to play together...I can't think of two players on this team who has played together and have developed a sense of chemistry..Thats really amazing if you ask me...Who else can you say over the period of a year has developed any chemistry with Marbs...

where has playing to those guys "strengths" resulted in winning on a consistent basis in the past?

lb was brought in, not to just coach these players, but to change the direction of the franchise and the culture of the team. some of these players don't fall in line with the direction he wants to take the team and he's not going to bend to them. if they just wanted to bring in a coach to play them to their strengths, then you bring in a guy that'll just let them do what they want (the last thing we needed).

What are you talking about...This is a newly assembled team....Who are you refering to?...
and why is playing to players strength such a bad thing...Does it really mean you are giving in to them?...So I guess Riley gave in to his players when he got to the Knicks and gave in again when he coached the Heat...I'm glad to see as a Knick fan you are more concerned about Larry now giving in to his players than putting a winning product on the court.....



[Edited by - holfresh on 04-01-2006 8:34 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 04-01-2006 8:35 PM]

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:


It's the coach's job to put the players in the best position to win..That means playing to their strengths. Not tyring to play a certain style that doesn't compliment your players abilities....It means putting a lineup out there on a consistant basis so the players can learn to play together...I can't think of two players on this team who has played together and have developed a sense of chemistry..Thats really amazing if you ask me...Who else can you say over the period of a year has developed any chemistry with Marbs...

where has playing to those guys "strengths" resulted in winning on a consistent basis in the past?

lb was brought in, not to just coach these players, but to change the direction of the franchise and the culture of the team. some of these players don't fall in line with the direction he wants to take the team and he's not going to bend to them. if they just wanted to bring in a coach to play them to their strengths, then you bring in a guy that'll just let them do what they want (the last thing we needed).

What are you talking about...This is a newly assembled team....Who are you refering to?...
and why is playing to players strength such a bad thing...Does it really mean you are giving in to them?...So I guess Riley gave in to his players when he got to the Knicks and gave in again when he coached the Heat...I'm glad to see as a Knick fan you are more concerned about Larry now giving in to his players than putting a winning product on the court.....

Who is Marbury going to play a 2-man game with? The Knicks really don't have pick-and-roll type big men outside of Frye, and especially with Curry you have to do something different.

Hopefully Isiah and LB are in this thing for the long haul with the Knicks. And this means that team ball on both ends of the court is what is going to be the long-term goal of the Knicks. Why would they short-circuit that type of thinking for a few more wins? Cause that would be pointless. They are looking for guys who play team ball cause that's the direction of the organization. Those who don't buy into it or can't play to that standard will be shipped. Don't be surprised that if the right offer came around Marbury will be gone. My hope is that he can change his game and attitude enough so that isn't necessary, but time will tell.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:


It's the coach's job to put the players in the best position to win..That means playing to their strengths. Not tyring to play a certain style that doesn't compliment your players abilities....It means putting a lineup out there on a consistant basis so the players can learn to play together...I can't think of two players on this team who has played together and have developed a sense of chemistry..Thats really amazing if you ask me...Who else can you say over the period of a year has developed any chemistry with Marbs...

where has playing to those guys "strengths" resulted in winning on a consistent basis in the past?

lb was brought in, not to just coach these players, but to change the direction of the franchise and the culture of the team. some of these players don't fall in line with the direction he wants to take the team and he's not going to bend to them. if they just wanted to bring in a coach to play them to their strengths, then you bring in a guy that'll just let them do what they want (the last thing we needed).

What are you talking about...This is a newly assembled team....Who are you refering to?...
and why is playing to players strength such a bad thing...Does it really mean you are giving in to them?...So I guess Riley gave in to his players when he got to the Knicks and gave in again when he coached the Heat...I'm glad to see as a Knick fan you are more concerned about Larry now giving in to his players than putting a winning product on the court.....

holfresh, do not compare riley's knicks team that he inherited with this one. ewing and oakley were no nonsense hard workers that busted ass on the court, played defense, and were leaders. he had a real pg in mark jackson. and then guess what, he made moves to bring in his guys as well as the years went along. and for the heat, do you not remember the roster overhaul when he got there also? he traded rice for zo and brought in tim hardaway, signed pj brown, and got jamal mashburn. that's 4 starters in his first 2 years on the job.

what i have accepted a long time ago was that this season meant nothing to larry brown in terms of wins/losses. this was only year 1 in a 3 year plan. the objective this year was for him to find "his" guys. and that's pretty obvious. what made it a clusterf ck was the refusal on some players parts to sacrifice their games for what lb asked of them and those guys will be gone.

as a knicks fan, i want to see this team change it's direction where it goes back to team play and defense. and i believe, as a result, wins will come. and i believe lb is bringing that back.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:


It's the coach's job to put the players in the best position to win..That means playing to their strengths. Not tyring to play a certain style that doesn't compliment your players abilities....It means putting a lineup out there on a consistant basis so the players can learn to play together...I can't think of two players on this team who has played together and have developed a sense of chemistry..Thats really amazing if you ask me...Who else can you say over the period of a year has developed any chemistry with Marbs...

where has playing to those guys "strengths" resulted in winning on a consistent basis in the past?

lb was brought in, not to just coach these players, but to change the direction of the franchise and the culture of the team. some of these players don't fall in line with the direction he wants to take the team and he's not going to bend to them. if they just wanted to bring in a coach to play them to their strengths, then you bring in a guy that'll just let them do what they want (the last thing we needed).

What are you talking about...This is a newly assembled team....Who are you refering to?...
and why is playing to players strength such a bad thing...Does it really mean you are giving in to them?...So I guess Riley gave in to his players when he got to the Knicks and gave in again when he coached the Heat...I'm glad to see as a Knick fan you are more concerned about Larry now giving in to his players than putting a winning product on the court.....

holfresh, do not compare riley's knicks team that he inherited with this one. ewing and oakley were no nonsense hard workers that busted ass on the court, played defense, and were leaders. he had a real pg in mark jackson. and then guess what, he made moves to bring in his guys as well as the years went along. and for the heat, do you not remember the roster overhaul when he got there also? he traded rice for zo and brought in tim hardaway, signed pj brown, and got jamal mashburn. that's 4 starters in his first 2 years on the job.

what i have accepted a long time ago was that this season meant nothing to larry brown in terms of wins/losses. this was only year 1 in a 3 year plan. the objective this year was for him to find "his" guys. and that's pretty obvious. what made it a clusterf ck was the refusal on some players parts to sacrifice their games for what lb asked of them and those guys will be gone.

as a knicks fan, i want to see this team change it's direction where it goes back to team play and defense. and i believe, as a result, wins will come. and i believe lb is bringing that back.

My point about Riley is that he adjusted his Showtime style of play with the Lakers to the Strength of the Knicks personnel....This will take 3-5 years to transform this roster to fit Larry's needs..At that point you are not guaranteed to win either...So now you are stuck with guys like Malik Rose and Ratlif as Larry heads to the door and who know long it will take us to rebuild after that...My whole thing is Larry isn't worth it....

Posted by martin:

Posted by holfresh:


The key for the Knicks this year was to have Curry,Frye and Marbs learn to play together...Those 3 players needed to learn each others game and see what best suit each other in a team ball environment...The other pieces should try to mesh and play off those 3 players...Unfortunately Curry took longer to get back in shape and is just beginning to play the kind of basketball the Knicks were looking for...He still has alot to learn and I think he will...Frye didn't get enough playing time this year....The stretch when Larry benched him hurt his confidence and he never shot well in the late part of the season the way he did early on...Marbs is not the problem of this team..Marbs has changed his game to suit what the coach wants from his point guard...

But it's up to the coach to recognize who his players are and put them in the right position to succeed...You defend Larry but you have no idea what Larry's gameplan is given his actions...40 different lineups, starting players in their home towns, giving some vets extended time when they have no future with this current lineup or team...how is this positive for a new young team learning to play together...

Bippity has outlined some very good reasons from a coaches perspective as to why you would do them and how in the long-term it is good for young players. Keep up with his posts.