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2/26/2006  7:36 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by martin:

I think Brown IS trying to confuse the guys on purpose by giving them the PHD level stuff. He wants NY to bottom out and then eventually take them to the top and be called a savior and king. That's my underground theory.
agreed

and in the process larry lame throws every knick fan under the bus just to make a callous point

.....starting with his hall of shame rotations

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2/26/2006  8:17 PM
Isiah has been awful. All of his transactions look spectacular at first glance, but they almost always have hurt in the long haul. I can understand the reasoning for a lot of his moves, but my problem is that he put so little thought in all of his moves. All these players: Curry, Francis, Crawford, Marbury, Quentin, they are all sexy names, but while they can be good alone on certain teams, they just don't work well all together and he needed to put some deeper thought. Most times, when a team signs a reclamation project, it's for real cheap, and then when they succeed, they get a rewarding contract. With a lot of these guys, Isiah took on these contracts or gave them big contracts, before even giving them a try. I am sure every team in the league would have taken Craw or Curry for real cheap.

For the most part though, he's been a good drafter, but everything else has been more of the same, and it's been getting worse and worse and worse.

Thing is, if we fire Isiah now or this Summer, who comes in? Larry? Then who coaches?
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2/26/2006  9:26 PM
i can't wait until we start winning again. Even Bonn has abandoned ship...Why can't larry get them to play together...how can every player that isiah has picked up get worst AFTER they arrive here and it's not LB's fault?

QRich, Curry, Crawford, Marbury, JRose, soon Francis...how can you all be so blind to believe that Zeke should have known they would be bad under larry?

The rookies all suck now under larry...but you want more rookies?

No matter who you bring in, they will suck under larry until he changes his ways.

No matter WHO YOU BRING IN.

Stop being idiots...You're telling me nate robinson now should be wearing a suit during games? Heck, a month ago Larry had him starting. Oh, that's zeke's fault.

Curry, scoring at will in chicago, now he sucks...hmmm...can't be the coach.

Marbury, 20/10 before larry, 16/6 after larry....yeah, that's isiah's fault.

Crawford, Q, the list goes on and on.

Larry brown isn't going to make anybody we bring in better...his players? What are you guys idiots? He had a hand picked team in detroit...before detroit, NO CHAMPIONSHIPS...he was known as the charles barkley of coaching.

he got his championship, he's done caring about getting it.

Can you guys name ONE player that has gotten better since the beginning of the season? Oh, THAT PLAYS?

David lee got better, but then suddenly got DNPs.

Jump ship bonn...no worries...I'm not even that big a fan of isiah...but I know this roster is packed to the gills.

Ariza...better pre larry...the list goes on and on.

Stop bashing the GM...it's time to start bashing the "teacher"

Oh, yeah, he gets a pass because he won a championship taking over a 50 win team.

Have you thought about maybe it was the pistons and not the coach?

oh, no, that would never dawn on you.

It's has to be the Players, owner and GM...the coach can't be the problem.

Yeah I get it.

But I'm not jumping ship...hey, Frye lost his confidence in his jumper because of isiah.

Q started for jalen rose last night because ... nobody knows. He can't hit the side of a barn, but hey, he should be starting. Larry.

You guys are dopes sometimes...you can make up excuses all the time, "I hate zeke for this" and "he should have known this guy would suck and that guy would suck.

but maybe it's just larry?

[Edited by - rvhoss on 02-26-2006 9:29 PM]
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2/26/2006  9:43 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Isiah has been awful. All of his transactions look spectacular at first glance, but they almost always have hurt in the long haul. I can understand the reasoning for a lot of his moves, but my problem is that he put so little thought in all of his moves. All these players: Curry, Francis, Crawford, Marbury, Quentin, they are all sexy names, but while they can be good alone on certain teams, they just don't work well all together and he needed to put some deeper thought. Most times, when a team signs a reclamation project, it's for real cheap, and then when they succeed, they get a rewarding contract. With a lot of these guys, Isiah took on these contracts or gave them big contracts, before even giving them a try. I am sure every team in the league would have taken Craw or Curry for real cheap.

For the most part though, he's been a good drafter, but everything else has been more of the same, and it's been getting worse and worse and worse.

Thing is, if we fire Isiah now or this Summer, who comes in? Larry? Then who coaches?

I think that was Isiahs plan to begin with. To acquire as many sexy names (so to speak) and use them as tradeable assets to acquire a star player or two that he thinks cen get us to a level where we can compete for Rings.

He is rebuilding whether you believe it or not. Its just an unsual rebuilding process. During a normal rebuild, you sacrifice wins and chemistry while you gut your roster of bad contracts and play your draft picks.

Isiahs way is different, (adding contract, but at the same time adding pieces that he can move to azquire something better) But Isiahs way and the traditional way both have the same end result. The traditional way you get under the cap to sign a big free agent. Isiahs way is to get enough pieces to acquire that same big player, but through a trade.





[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-26-2006 9:59 PM]
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2/26/2006  9:57 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Have you thought about maybe it was the pistons and not the coach?

Hmmm... How does that apply to our situation?
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2/26/2006  9:58 PM
I'm gonna throw my 2cents in on this. It must be a cold day in hell now that Bonn and I are both off the Isiah Thomas bandwagon, I think him and I were two of his biggest supporters on this board. But anyways... Am I going to put the whole blame on Isiah Thomas? No, I'm not. I think the guy has done and is still doing his damndest to turn this thing around, the guy wants to succeed so bad its not even funny but so far the moves he has made have amounted to nothing. The Knicks were in a bad situation when Isiah got here and now that he's been here a while their still in a bad situation. I just think there needs to be a new GM for the Knicks, just to change things up a bit because whats going on now isnt working. I think where Isiah went wrong is that he is obssessed with talent. Like some have said before, acquiring guys like Craw, Q, I'll give him a pass on Marbury. But the fact is, no other teams wanted these guys, they were their trash becuase the teams knew their limitations. It'd be ok if the guys like Crawford and Q were surrounded by hardworking-toughnosed players but the Knicks have none of it and I lay the blame on Isiah for that.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-26-2006 10:01 PM]
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2/26/2006  10:01 PM
when does the blame fall on the players and away from the gm and the coach?
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2/26/2006  10:02 PM
This is the same coach that couldn't win Gold with Lebron, Wade, Melo and Duncan. What players CAN he win with? that haven't won 50 games in the past?

Do you all even remember when he benched Lebron?

the game has passed him by.

If we had the Olympic team, we would still be losing and you guys would say Isiah sucked at assembling talent.

Can somebody dispute LB's results at the olympics...then you may actually have a point.
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2/26/2006  10:04 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

This is the same coach that couldn't win Gold with Lebron, Wade, Melo and Duncan. What players CAN he win with? that haven't won 50 games in the past?

Do you all even remember when he benched Lebron?

the game has passed him by.

If we had the Olympic team, we would still be losing and you guys would say Isiah sucked at assembling talent.

Can somebody dispute LB's results at the olympics...then you may actually have a point.

No one could win gold with those players. The fact is, those players don't play international style basketball. Thats the problem with Americans, we are in the dark about basketball around the world, the USA olympic team played the worst basketball of any team in the olympics becuase they want to dunk all over the opposition but other countries aren't having that nowadays, other countries have progressed greatly in basketball in the last 10 years. That is why you see the shift in players they are looking to put on the olympics like maybe having guys that can actually shoot the ball!

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-26-2006 10:05 PM]
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2/26/2006  10:08 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

This is the same coach that couldn't win Gold with Lebron, Wade, Melo and Duncan. What players CAN he win with? that haven't won 50 games in the past?

Do you all even remember when he benched Lebron?

the game has passed him by.

If we had the Olympic team, we would still be losing and you guys would say Isiah sucked at assembling talent.

Can somebody dispute LB's results at the olympics...then you may actually have a point.

larry was not the only hall of fame coach coaching that team....
Had enough Melo?
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2/27/2006  5:16 AM
Posted by TymeLessKnicks:

when does the blame fall on the players and away from the gm and the coach?

Absolutley 100%, grade A, perfectly grammerized opinion that I just happen to agree with. Everyone says you can't give Larry a pass, you can't give Zeke a pass, yet the players are bing talked about like they have don no wrong. Only a certain few have played with any heart, Q1(whether he likes playing for LB or not he is putting it all out on the floor by totally changing his defensive philosophy), Q2, the rooks, Butler when he is out there is rugged....noone else seems to want to be here...but it's Larry's fault the players don't have heart, and it's Zeke's fault these guys don't want to get coached.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 02-27-2006 05:20 AM]
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2/27/2006  7:41 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

This is the same coach that couldn't win Gold with Lebron, Wade, Melo and Duncan. What players CAN he win with? that haven't won 50 games in the past?

Do you all even remember when he benched Lebron?

the game has passed him by.

If we had the Olympic team, we would still be losing and you guys would say Isiah sucked at assembling talent.

Can somebody dispute LB's results at the olympics...then you may actually have a point.

my thoughts exactly. he spurned lebron, the nba golden boy, plenty of times on that team as well as carmelo and wade. he has a hard time at first getting through to younger players. i hope he can turn it around and this time next year we would be laughing at this nightmare of a season but like it or not we have larry here for the long haul( or until we start winning).
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5/14/2009  7:32 AM
Bonn, good stuff.
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5/14/2009  7:44 AM
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5/14/2009  7:54 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Isiah has been awful. All of his transactions look spectacular at first glance, but they almost always have hurt in the long haul. I can understand the reasoning for a lot of his moves, but my problem is that he put so little thought in all of his moves. All these players: Curry, Francis, Crawford, Marbury, Quentin, they are all sexy names, but while they can be good alone on certain teams, they just don't work well all together and he needed to put some deeper thought.

This is actually a great (albeit extreme) example of why you can't just make a list of trades that individually might look good and say you have a good GM. If there's no consistent philosophy and strategy underlying your decision making, you're just gonna end up confused as to why yet another season turned out poorly when you "won" most of the trades you made.
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5/14/2009  9:31 AM
When the knicks are good Isiah and Marbs will be forgotten.
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5/14/2009  9:34 AM
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5/14/2009  9:41 AM
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5/14/2009  9:56 AM
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