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Knight
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2/20/2006  11:46 PM
Even if I thought the pick was more valuable than Curry, I would never beat the topic into the ground the way it seems to be every week. "Isiah should have protected the pick." Okay, fine, we understand. I guess we'll have to wait two years before it starts to quiet down.
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2/20/2006  11:47 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Real World

Rich - covering our butt for unlikely contingencies?

Oh, you mean like Quentin's brother geting murdered?... Marbury's game streak coming to an end?.... Larry Brown coaching like it's a church league?

Oh, NOW I get it!

what was I thinking?



>>This "we should have kept our picks" and "I'd rather have [insert unproven college player here] than [insert player that averaged over 15 ppg last year]" talk is just crazy...think about the nba...when you were a kid, did you say "our team sucks this year, so let's get rid of everybody from the GM down"


vhoss - yours was one of the best scholarly rants EVER

Two years?

Some posters are ready to give up on Channing Frye, David Lee and even lovable Nate after only four months. Think of Nate once he settles down and finds a wild woman to drain his excess energy. Imagine David Lee walking the streets of New York AFTER he learns The Subway.

Think of a confident, fiery Channing Frye at 25 years old.

Nah, Zeke messed up because some college dude just scored 30 points against some unknown guys with pimples.

Sheesh




Come on, please stop. Was Channing frye, Nate Lee pimply-faced college players last year? Adam Morrison has more skill in his pinky than those guys. We drafted 3 Tim Duncan's and everyone else drafted junk, and no one from this draft could possibly be a superior nBA player--nah, not Rudy Gay not Morrison not Aldridge they all will stink, we cornered the market on all the good young players--ariza woods butler nate lee were set.
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2/21/2006  12:32 AM
Posted by Knight:

Even if I thought the pick was more valuable than Curry, I would never beat the topic into the ground the way it seems to be every week. "Isiah should have protected the pick." Okay, fine, we understand. I guess we'll have to wait two years before it starts to quiet down.

I fully agree Knight. Fully. It's over and done with, whether you think it was justified or not. Either way, Isiah put a huge stamp on this franchise with the move.
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2/21/2006  12:40 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I'm not into looking back and dwelling on IT not giving up Lee or Ariza to keep the #1 pick but since we're talking about...

Isiah would have been MUCH MUCH MUCH smarter then giving up Adam Morrison. Instead of giving up Trevor Ariza or David Lee in the deal(who have not helped the Knicks win more games) we are giving up Adam Morrison.... that's not good and thats just fact.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-20-2006 5:57 PM]


thats a fact?? yea right, so i guess all these offers in the papers are exact and fact too.
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2/21/2006  12:41 AM
Posted by Knight:

Even if I thought the pick was more valuable than Curry, I would never beat the topic into the ground the way it seems to be every week. "Isiah should have protected the pick." Okay, fine, we understand. I guess we'll have to wait two years before it starts to quiet down.

As powerless fans, what the hell else can we do? Our words mean nothing.
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2/21/2006  12:50 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by misterearl:

Real World

Rich - covering our butt for unlikely contingencies?

Oh, you mean like Quentin's brother geting murdered?... Marbury's game streak coming to an end?.... Larry Brown coaching like it's a church league?

Oh, NOW I get it!

what was I thinking?



>>This "we should have kept our picks" and "I'd rather have [insert unproven college player here] than [insert player that averaged over 15 ppg last year]" talk is just crazy...think about the nba...when you were a kid, did you say "our team sucks this year, so let's get rid of everybody from the GM down"


vhoss - yours was one of the best scholarly rants EVER

Two years?

Some posters are ready to give up on Channing Frye, David Lee and even lovable Nate after only four months. Think of Nate once he settles down and finds a wild woman to drain his excess energy. Imagine David Lee walking the streets of New York AFTER he learns The Subway.

Think of a confident, fiery Channing Frye at 25 years old.

Nah, Zeke messed up because some college dude just scored 30 points against some unknown guys with pimples.

Sheesh




Come on, please stop. Was Channing frye, Nate Lee pimply-faced college players last year? Adam Morrison has more skill in his pinky than those guys. We drafted 3 Tim Duncan's and everyone else drafted junk, and no one from this draft could possibly be a superior nBA player--nah, not Rudy Gay not Morrison not Aldridge they all will stink, we cornered the market on all the good young players--ariza woods butler nate lee were set.



ah briggs cut out the drama, frye,and nate are thought of highly around the league, and lee has value, they are some of the better rookies in the league, hell frye is better than everyone drafted ahead of him except paul so far, nate you can argue is having as good a year as Deron williams who was a high pick and now burried behind two bench players..

Your comment about morrison is ignorant, he is just the flavor of the month for you Briggs, If we had morrison, he would be overrated and it would be all about Oden, and if we had oden it would be all about McRoberts, and if we drafted Mcroberts, he would be overrated and it would be all about some other kidd, and if we drafted some other kidd, it would be all about my 13 year old son, and the beat goes on, and on for you briggs...
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2/21/2006  12:54 AM
Posted by Rich:


As powerless fans, what the hell else can we do?

Don't annoy other powerless fans? Talk about something actually fresh and interesting?
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2/21/2006  2:05 AM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:


As powerless fans, what the hell else can we do?

Don't annoy other powerless fans? Talk about something actually fresh and interesting?

Like trade rumors that will never happen? As if.
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2/21/2006  7:18 AM
I get your point, there really is nothing to talk about with the 3 day "vacation" everyone got...but to say the players in the upcoming draft are better the Curry, Frye and for that matter Nate is pretty crazy talk.

I believe Jackie Butler (another quality Zeke acquisition) is better than anybody in the upcoming draft IMHO...

now, if only LB would actually USE THEM.

I think the biggest point we are all trying to make is, if LB is here, no matter who we draft...THEY WON'T PLAY.

Frye gets 30 points in a win, then gets a DNP.

Do we even know if the kid can play?

Curry get's 9 points in the opening 7 minutes...LB plays substitution 101 and takes him out until the 3rd quarter. Maybe he could just once let the kid foul out on his own...taking him out is the same thing.

Do we even know if the kid can play?

David Lee starts and contributes to a 5 game winning streak. Then get's a DNP.

Do we even know if ... I think you are seeing my point.

It aint the kids, it's the coach...He hates mistakes, kids make mistakes, he hates kids.

Now you want to get rid of these kids and add two more unknown kids...that won't play.

so, maybe let's think of ways to bash Penny...and to my chagrin, Jerome James...but to say Curry and the other kids have not "panned out" and were "huge mistakes" is what get's my goat.

They haven't had a chance to play.

Unless you are saying that Skiles (got more out of Curry and Crawford) and Wilkens (got more out of crawford) are just better coaches than brown (better records, same staff).

I remember seeing an interview with Dirk Nowitski (sp) saying that the game has changed, you can just throw it into the post.

But LB seems to be coaching as if this is 1982.

Let the kids foul out once and a while, let them get a rhythm.

But if you are saying that LB is LB and he's doing what he's supposed to do, no matter what rookie you bring in, they won't play under brown.

See dwayne wade and lebron James at the olympics...same coach, same results.

Let's bash Penny!
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2/21/2006  8:05 AM
>>so i guess all these offers in the papers are exact and fact too

jaydh - haven't you heard, Steve Francis was spotted in an Orlando airport reading a New York paper. A sure sign indeed that something is up.

Even the beat writers are contradicting themselves.

None of them have a clear stance whether they prefer veterans or the attractive Knicks yoots. So what do they do?

They straddle the fence and throw rocks at both sides. The team has bad chemistry. Wrong.

The team misses its best player.

The Knicks are terrible. Woe is dem.

[Edited by - MisterEarl on 02-21-2006 08:12 AM]
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2/22/2006  8:07 AM


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In discussing the situation with the team in general, Thomas sounded as if he has recognized there is a significant disconnect between his coach and the players. It was suggested that perhaps Brown and this group of players is simply a mismatch.

"That could be true," he said. "Thus far you have to say that's true. When you look at our record and you look at the coach that we have and the players that we have, we all think that we should be doing better. Maybe it's not the right mix. If it's not the right mix, then my job is to try to fix it."

His wish list didn't include a player type, so much as a call for peaceful coexistence.

"If I could wish for anything right now, I would just wish that the players and the coaches could really find that happy medium," he said. "Because when you talk about the chemistry and everything else, that may be a problem."

"But," he continued, while interlocking his fingers, "they haven't done this yet."

Thomas said Brown is a "great" coach and reiterated that the team is built around him more than the players.

"If the players can't get along with the coach, then the players have to go," he said. "We're not getting rid of the coach. We're riding with the coach. If the players can't adapt, then I've got to go get some other players that can."

When Thomas was asked directly about Antonio Davis's comment that he and Brown aren't on the same page. Thomas didn't dispute it, nor did he really address it directly, either.

"Well, I think when you look at the process we're going through, it's easy to say it should be better," he said. "It's not better. Something's wrong. I can pull out a lot of positive things that are happening now with our team that won't show up in terms of wins and losses."

Earlier, he did say he and Brown think alike regarding the need for more veteran players. But at the same time Thomas also left the impression he wasn't thrilled that Brown spoke about particularities to the media.

"He's not wrong," Thomas said. "Those are things we talk about. He just chose to discuss it with you. But I wouldn't say he's wrong. He and I, we think alike. We're definitely saying the same thing. He says it to you more than I do."

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