Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:
Then we both agree Frye can't play D yet. KMart would be a huge upgrade at the spot in the near future, and I agree that Artest is the only one I would trade him for under normal circumstances (normal being that it is a normal trade not a trade scenario like Indy went through with Artest). The only point I was trying to make was that Frye seems to have a big upside(to someone other than us) and that other teams are willing to trade top flight players for him.
If he isnt injured he is an upgrade but Kmart is injury prone. He is injured again! We had a conversation about this on AIM and I said the same thing. Kmart is injury prone. If he is injured, he is not an answer defensively. This could be McDyess all over again.
I agree that Frye has upside and even guns is not arguing that. He is however being overrated. I hope he adds more to his game than just a jumpshot. At this point, there is no way me or you can measure his upside and say he will become a great player or he wont. Using rumored trades to judge his ability like you were doing isnt at all conclusive. Mainly because the trade are rumored. Especially that Artest trade. Larry Bird will never trade with Isiah.
About Frye, from what I see, he had a good jumpshot and has the ethics to improve his game. Calling him anything better than that is overrating him. Hope he keeps improving and becomes a great PF for the Knicks.
Martin could be McDyess all over agin but the difference is we traded for McDyess when he was literally still out injured and he was older. Martin is putting up HUGE numbers and I tell you what, if he is a Chris Webber situation (every 10 or so games he has to rest a knee) that would be an almost ideal situation for us because we have Frye behind him and starting him every 10 games would make a great way to gage development and let him develop. By the time Frye is ready to move on, in a year or two, Martin will only be 30.
Overrating is a hugely quantititve term because to me, I can safely say I think Frye's ceiling is what Rasheed Wallace is doing now...15-17 pts, 7 or 8 rebs, maybe an assist or 2, great fundamental player...ability to play 3 positions (VERY lmited minutes at the 3 to expose mismatches)....the only real hole I see in Frye's game is his on the ball D and maybe his rebounding (the fact that he shoots from 15 feet out takes him out of the offensive rebounding picture. I think that if he played a little closer to the hoop he would be able to grab an offensive rebound or two per game upping his rebounding numbers to almost 8 per game.
If Frye develops a post up game and becomes an on the ball defender at an average to above average level, his ceiling is much higher to me.
