You know what i'm sick of? Trade Expiring contracts that are "assets" for more expiring contracts that are longer than ones we traded and call them "assets" too.

It's become this nasty cycle. Let's celebrate cause we'll be giving up a top 5 pick to bulls but getting the 21th and 27th pick in one of weakest drafts ever. Hoooray!

I had very high hopes for Isiah when he started but this is what I see:

We have more young players, most of which sit every night. You cant convince me this organization is committed to developing these guys as they sit game after game.
We have blown our draft load. We have almost zero chance at drafting franchise caliber talent in the next 2 drafts, and we still owe Utah a pick after that with declining protection.
We have no financial flexibility in sight that might let us make a move to dig us out of the hole we are in
We have several players with 2,3 and 4 years left on their contracts we have no use for and have zero value around the league.
We are getting blown out every night
We are playing .300 ball and ranked the worst in the league.

I could get past almost any of those points. All of them are tough to swallow.

I'm not hating. This is just what I see everytime I turn on MSG for a Knick game.

Posted by fishmike:

I had very high hopes for Isiah when he started but this is what I see:

We have more young players, most of which sit every night. You cant convince me this organization is committed to developing these guys as they sit game after game.
We have blown our draft load. We have almost zero chance at drafting franchise caliber talent in the next 2 drafts, and we still owe Utah a pick after that with declining protection.
We have no financial flexibility in sight that might let us make a move to dig us out of the hole we are in
We have several players with 2,3 and 4 years left on their contracts we have no use for and have zero value around the league.
We are getting blown out every night
We are playing .300 ball and ranked the worst in the league.

I could get past almost any of those points. All of them are tough to swallow.

I'm not hating. This is just what I see everytime I turn on MSG for a Knick game.

we're no longer committed to a youth movement.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/39012/20060207/youth_movement_over_for_knicks_for_now/

only, curry, frye, and woods will play, the rest will stay in the doghouse,
and on another note Im not quite sure what the deal between q and marbury is.


if this team really was rebuilding than why would zeke be going after guys like Kmart?
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/39020/20060207/a_blockbuster_brewing/



[Edited by - slimpack on 02-07-2006 09:04 AM]

>>we're no longer committed to a youth movement.

Pull UP slimpack. Sheesh. Think for yourselves people.

The article siimply states the Knicks will not rely on a rookie-dominated rotation. THINK, and look carefully at the ages and experience of the players in the rotation.

Too many of us only know how to regurgitate what some writer labels as a headline or a speculative "insight".

Is is THAT difficult to comprehend a rotation of that includes Frye (22), Qyntel (24), Crawford (25) and Curry (23) is still infused with plenty of yoot?

Lee and Nate will get theirs in time.

A writer complains about Larry shorteneing the rotation, he does it, and the complaint becomes it means the youth movement is over.

Dang.

>>What were the worst things Layden did?

He wore that damn FDNY hat long after the point was made and acknowledged.

Come to think of it, I can't think of a single transaction Layden made that was an upgrade.

Other than that, I was cool with him. But enough about Layden. It ain't about him and I promise NEVER to utter the name of "he who will go nameless" from here on.

What do I like about Isiah?

The fact the Knicks are on PTI every night and Michael Wilbon likes us.

What ****ing team are you watching....

There is no accountability in this organization and obviously it starts with Dolan who doesn't know how to run a sports franchise....Isiah created disension in the staff and amongst the players with his unfair treatment of Marbury and a relationship that is to deep to be healthy...

Crawford is not a good basketball player and using him as part of the youth movement is a joke he has already been in the league for over five years, players should come into their own by that time.....

He gives up assets and gets nothing in return, epsecially when he has all the leverage....Lets not forget we essentially signed Vin Baker and then had to move him for another bad contract to appease an agent whose client is a career 39% shooter and had no other offers on the table

A GM who signed an overweight career underachieving center who never has been conditioned to a five year deal the moment the summer began....

A GM who was short sighted not to offer lottery protection on a pick? A GM who trades for a guy with an uninsured contract and a bad back to get an undersized two guard.....and is now trying to bring a player he could have had with the mid-level

Lets not forget he trades an expiring contract for Malik Rose and the 30th pick, I love lee but lets not kid ourselves there a teams out there that would give a late first round pick away for cash.....

Then you don't have Crawford, Jerome Williams, Mo Taylor, Malik Rose, and Jerome James counting against your cap, and you still have your draft picks and flexibility down the road and don't have these players signed......

This is also the same GM that could have brought Vince and Jalen here last year to team with Steph, but he didn't make the deal happen to get a top 15 player in the league.....

Isiah only did this Jalen deal make no mistake because he feared having the deals get a top 3 pick and suffer more embarrassment....no team is taking on 34 million to get 5 more wins

There is no youth movement going on just fringe talent right now....Crawford is terrible, Ariza has shown no sign of improvement, Nate Rob could be crazy, and we have some potential in our young bigs.....Had Ariza been committed to improving his ball handling, strength and shooting perhaps we could through him in the mix, but none of these punks care and that is the NBA

JJ out of shape still (showed be a close to suspend these players without pay)
Curry in shape once in his four year career
Mo Taylor never in shape
Crawford no offense workout plan
Ariza no offseason workout plan

And there are your Knicks

ultknicks524 - nice

I could have said Yo Momma is Isiah's bitch, but I didn't



[Edited by - MisterEarl on 02-07-2006 09:50 AM]

Anuchagate! Knicks' swinging johnson contest! Maybe an eating contest between Big Game and that Black Widow chick! You gotta ride the interludes of manic hysteria in between the crashing bouts of depression!!!!

Fishmike-

You keep saying we need a star player/franchise player on this team. The only way to get into the running to get one is by trading Marbury for a lotto pick. (possibly to Houston, their one player away maybe) If they continue to stumble, their pick will be in the lottery.

When I suggested trading Marbury, you said we don't have any another pg. Whats the difference, were 14-30 with him, we can go 14-30 without him.

You also say we should commit to rebuilding. Do you honestly think Marbury who I believe turns 29 this yr will play a huge role in ouor rebuilding? He'll be on the other side of his prime by the time these young players are ready to win. Besides, these young players who you want to create playing time for, are role players at best. Nate Robinson doesn't even crack the rotation on a true championship contending team. As a matter of fact, he wont even get a uniform, he'll sit behind the bench in a suit and tie. Lee's a role player, and Curry and Frye don't mix defensively.

If Knicks are serious about rebuilding, they need to aquire lotto picks because the youth we have now are not potential stars.

When your rebuilding with youth, you better have Chris Bosh/Stoudamire/Howard to build around which we don't have.
Frye/Lee/Robinson are supporting players that you would put around a star player. But I ask, how are we gonna get this star player?

What's that saying, "when the going get's tough, most Knicks fans start crying like a day care center that's run out of formula"?

not for nothing, but if it wasn't for the crying, layden would still be running things right now.

I'm looking forward to Marbury and Rose on the floor together.

one question, why?

I'm looking forward to Larry Brown in month 5 of his tenure. Month five.

the only one of the group that has a history of success at his current position. but even i'm starting to question what role he's playing in all this.

How can one be dumb grading veterans and smart with draft picks? That seems to run counter to a reasonable theory. Or is it just another chain letter forwarded by the press and gobbled up by gullible fans?

simple, malik rose, mo taylor and jerome james stink. they do not help us win. and in mo and jerome's case, we gave up a pick and threw $50 mil at them. how is that not a counter to finding qyntel on the scrap heap?

Draft picks are a crap shoot. Everyone knows that, right?

so it's ok to spend $34 extra mil next year for a crap shoot? is that ok with you?

I look forward.

i look forward to. but as the image is slowly getting a little clearer, it's starting to look more and more like my ass.