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Rich
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1/31/2006  11:59 PM
What if they trade all the youth for mediocre veterans that form a team whose ceiling is to win one round of the playoffs for a few years?
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2/1/2006  12:05 AM
Posted by Rich:

What if they trade all the youth for mediocre veterans that form a team whose ceiling is to win one round of the playoffs for a few years?

Who wants that? The sad part is that all of this "great youth" would probably only get us mediocre veterans in trade.

Where has Isiah left us at this point? Do you trust the person who put us in this position to get us out or do you want someone else who might have a clue to be in charge?
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2/1/2006  12:08 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

What if they trade all the youth for mediocre veterans that form a team whose ceiling is to win one round of the playoffs for a few years?

Who wants that? The sad part is that all of this "great youth" would probably only get us mediocre veterans in trade.

Where has Isiah left us at this point? Do you trust the person who put us in this position to get us out or do you want someone else who might have a clue to be in charge?

You said: "It can't get much worse, can it?"
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2/1/2006  12:09 AM
I love how everyone here protects curry. He plays one good game a week and he is going to dominate for the next 10 years. Then he plays 3 average games and all the excuses come out (not in shape,young,minor injuries and every thing else) Tonight it was garbage time so it didnt matter. Come on guys a 19 year old came in and he showed no heart as the kid schooled him on his own court. No heart!!!
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2/1/2006  12:12 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

What if they trade all the youth for mediocre veterans that form a team whose ceiling is to win one round of the playoffs for a few years?

Who wants that? The sad part is that all of this "great youth" would probably only get us mediocre veterans in trade.

Where has Isiah left us at this point? Do you trust the person who put us in this position to get us out or do you want someone else who might have a clue to be in charge?

You said: "It can't get much worse, can it?"

Mediocre with no hope of winning a championship isn't worse than pathetic and being a complete laughingstock with no hope of anything.
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2/1/2006  12:40 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Rich:

What if they trade all the youth for mediocre veterans that form a team whose ceiling is to win one round of the playoffs for a few years?

Who wants that? The sad part is that all of this "great youth" would probably only get us mediocre veterans in trade.

Where has Isiah left us at this point? Do you trust the person who put us in this position to get us out or do you want someone else who might have a clue to be in charge?

You said: "It can't get much worse, can it?"

Mediocre with no hope of winning a championship isn't worse than pathetic and being a complete laughingstock with no hope of anything.

other than Marbury, all of the important players on this team are under 25 and have the chance to get much better. how is that not hope?
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2/1/2006  12:49 AM
I saw people today fondly remembering the 02-03 season, where a bunch of mediocre vets on a team going nowhere after Dyess went down played us right out of the most important top 5 lottery in the last 10-15 years. to me, that season was far worse. We could've had Wade, Melo, Bosh, maybe Lebron. instead we get Sweetney. it's far worse to try and win with a team you know isn't good enough.

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2/1/2006  1:12 AM
Houston was destroyed by Layden but Islesfan is right. Isiah should have been paying attention to the Knicks before he even came here if he thought he'd be the gm of the Knicks and should have realized enough that Houston could have possibly been on the decline. Either way, nobody realized it would have been as rapid of a freefall as it was. He went from threat to score 50 to on the verge of retiring in one year.
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2/1/2006  1:19 AM
So Bynum is a stiff after seeing him play a few times but Curry is still some kind of untapped monster? Come on.
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2/1/2006  1:20 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Houston was destroyed by Layden but Islesfan is right. Isiah should have been paying attention to the Knicks before he even came here if he thought he'd be the gm of the Knicks and should have realized enough that Houston could have possibly been on the decline. Either way, nobody realized it would have been as rapid of a freefall as it was. He went from threat to score 50 to on the verge of retiring in one year.

woulda been nice to rest Houston that season and get a top five pick, no? it's not like it was a secret that Bron, Melo and Bosh were going to be all-star level. Wade was somewhat of a surprise that he was THAT good, I guess.
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2/1/2006  2:27 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Right now every knick fan and every piece of garbage in knick management realizes what a collasol mistake we made--we gave up a potential superstar at the 5 for a jump shooting softie 4 who the league has alreayd figured out. not a bad player--but he aint no bynum

hate to the cows come home you seen the light tonight

back to calling Frye soft. You're an idiot. Frye has simmered down, but soft is one thing he is not. He plays with fire and passion, and has put up monster games in the NBA in competitive games, and in crunch time. Lets see your f.uck boy Bynum do that before we start proclaiming him something special. Bynum has got a very long way to go before he has a better touch or interior game than Frye or Curry. He can't even beat out Chris Mihm for a starting spot and you're calling him better than our bigs. You are a pathetic, tasteless joke.
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2/1/2006  2:46 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Right now every knick fan and every piece of garbage in knick management realizes what a collasol mistake we made--we gave up a potential superstar at the 5 for a jump shooting softie 4 who the league has alreayd figured out. not a bad player--but he aint no bynum

hate to the cows come home you seen the light tonight

back to calling Frye soft. You're an idiot.

no one flip-flops more than briggs.
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2/1/2006  6:50 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Right now every knick fan and every piece of garbage in knick management realizes what a collasol mistake we made--we gave up a potential superstar at the 5 for a jump shooting softie 4 who the league has alreayd figured out. not a bad player--but he aint no bynum

hate to the cows come home you seen the light tonight

back to calling Frye soft. You're an idiot. Frye has simmered down, but soft is one thing he is not. He plays with fire and passion, and has put up monster games in the NBA in competitive games, and in crunch time. Lets see your f.uck boy Bynum do that before we start proclaiming him something special. Bynum has got a very long way to go before he has a better touch or interior game than Frye or Curry. He can't even beat out Chris Mihm for a starting spot and you're calling him better than our bigs. You are a pathetic, tasteless joke.

Frye is a finesse player and very soft on D. I LIKE Frye, but that is what he is.
Its just the truth. I may understand basketball just a bit more than you--- maybe Ive been involved in basketball at many different types of levels, and have an innate understanding of basketball talent. Don't you think there is some kind of reason I know guys like Amare Stoudemire Chris Kaman Andrew Bynum etc... well before they are even a blip on the mainstream?

Go back and look at a post I left here about Aaron Gray two years ago--when you ask who is Aaron Gray, then you'll get my drift.
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2/1/2006  7:23 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:


Frye is a finesse player and very soft on D. I LIKE Frye, but that is what he is.
Its just the truth. I may understand basketball just a bit more than you--- maybe Ive been involved in basketball at many different types of levels, and have an innate understanding of basketball talent. Don't you think there is some kind of reason I know guys like Amare Stoudemire Chris Kaman Andrew Bynum etc... well before they are even a blip on the mainstream?

Go back and look at a post I left here about Aaron Gray two years ago--when you ask who is Aaron Gray, then you'll get my drift.

Fair enough. But what about the other end? Who have you picked as no-miss who's ended up bombing? I'm not asking to call youi out, I'm just curious.
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2/1/2006  7:36 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Frye is a finesse player and very soft on D. I LIKE Frye, but that is what he is.
Its just the truth. I may understand basketball just a bit more than you--- maybe Ive been involved in basketball at many different types of levels, and have an innate understanding of basketball talent. Don't you think there is some kind of reason I know guys like Amare Stoudemire Chris Kaman Andrew Bynum etc... well before they are even a blip on the mainstream?

Go back and look at a post I left here about Aaron Gray two years ago--when you ask who is Aaron Gray, then you'll get my drift.

Fair enough. But what about the other end? Who have you picked as no-miss who's ended up bombing? I'm not asking to call youi out, I'm just curious.

I thought Michael Bradley would be a really good nBA player i over-rated mike sweetney walter mccarty adonal foyle miles simon david rivers several others. Mike Bradley is a guy i had a higher conviction about, and was quite off however. Going back I also pleaded with the Knick--used to call into wfan hoping the knicks would take a guy from ohio named ron harper if you can date me a bit. ive had a good sense of talent going way back. i miss on some, but ive hit a nice majority and have found real sleepers--also from following the AAU circuit for years--ive known about guys even before they entered College.

David Lee comes to mind as well--i wasnt high on him--but he sure is better than i thought.

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2/1/2006  7:41 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BRIGGS:


Frye is a finesse player and very soft on D. I LIKE Frye, but that is what he is.
Its just the truth. I may understand basketball just a bit more than you--- maybe Ive been involved in basketball at many different types of levels, and have an innate understanding of basketball talent. Don't you think there is some kind of reason I know guys like Amare Stoudemire Chris Kaman Andrew Bynum etc... well before they are even a blip on the mainstream?

Go back and look at a post I left here about Aaron Gray two years ago--when you ask who is Aaron Gray, then you'll get my drift.

Fair enough. But what about the other end? Who have you picked as no-miss who's ended up bombing? I'm not asking to call youi out, I'm just curious.

I thought Michael Bradley would be a really good nBA player i over-rated mike sweetney walter mccarty adonal foyle miles simon david rivers several others. Mike Bradley is a guy i had a higher conviction about, and was quite off however. Going back I also pleaded with the Knick--used to call into wfan hoping the knicks would take a guy from ohio named ron harper if you can date me a bit. ive had a good sense of talent going way back. i miss on some, but ive hit a nice majority and have found real sleepers--also from following the AAU circuit for years--ive known about guys even before they entered College.

Oh man now you're getting me going - David Rivers??? I freaking LOVED David Rivers. He was like the Rocket Ishmael of college hoops. And Miles Simon? I thought he was gonna be a better pro than Bibby. McCarty should have had a Robert Horry-like career but was just missing something.

That's a good list.
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2/1/2006  8:10 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Houston was destroyed by Layden but Islesfan is right. Isiah should have been paying attention to the Knicks before he even came here if he thought he'd be the gm of the Knicks and should have realized enough that Houston could have possibly been on the decline. Either way, nobody realized it would have been as rapid of a freefall as it was. He went from threat to score 50 to on the verge of retiring in one year.

The point about no one knowing how rapid the decline would be is crucial. Isiah's not a medical doctor. All we could ask of him is rely on what the team doctors told him about Houston and what Houston himself told Isiah about how he was feeling. (We know the latter was always expressions of confidence that he would soon return to normal.)
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2/1/2006  9:13 AM
This is really upsetting because Eddy Curry has no heart and you can clearly see it, I love Frye but I wanted this kid because it was quite apparent that we were going nowhere......and I sure would like to have a our top three pick and add a young power foward or small foward that could have really helped our team, and we would have also had Sweetney to throw someones way in a trade perhaps with Lee or one of the young kids.....

Indy may have taken a Sweetney and Nate Rob for Artest but who knows.......

Bynum/Aldridge I would have taken in a heartbeat and your not paying 10 million a year to Curry......

Eddy is not going to be a player in this league he has no mental toughness
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2/1/2006  9:18 AM
I would take Frye over Bynum any day. Growing pains baby! Growing pains. How many times this year did Frye look like he should be the 1st pick in the draft. How many times this year did Frye help the Knicks win?
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2/1/2006  9:24 AM
Posted by MS:


Bynum/Aldridge I would have taken in a heartbeat and your not paying 10 million a year to Curry......

I agree with you on this 100%. What's wrong with rebuilding for a couple of years with the following youngins in the pipline?

Bynum
Lee
Nate
Woods
Ariza
Aldridge or Morrison
Sweetney

No JJ & Curry
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