Posted by islesfan:

You're assuming facts and presenting them as fact when it's all hypothetical. Are you really this desperate? McK1 has presented a scenario that could most definitely have happened as it did with the Bucks winning the lottery last year in the 6th lottery position. You're saying "probably" in one statement and using that to make a definitive statement in the next. Only a total idiot could jump to that kind of conclusion.

McK1 is doing the same thing.

Are you saying it's unreasonable to assume the Knicks would have continued the 14-21 pace they were on before acquiring Marbury? We FACTUALLY know that the teams represented by the 9th to 15th best chances did not move up that year. Are you saying the Knicks would have moved up if they finished 10th and those same ping pong balls had Knicks logos instead of whatever team finished tenth? Those must be magical logos!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-24-2006 08:15 AM]

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Silverfuel:


McK1 is doing the same thing.

oh yeah please explain how.

I have to intentions of getting into a bull****ting match with you. I cannot keep up with your replies. If you cannot figure it out for yourself, dont worry about it. I aint explaining.

Posted by McK1:

in other words you have no legit claim.

Most of the times you start posting on a thread, the direction of the thread changes. Dont ask for legit claim when you cannot give one yourself.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by McK1:

in other words you have no legit claim.

Most of the times you start posting on a thread, the direction of the thread changes. Dont ask for legit claim when you cannot give one yourself.

you have nothing Dwight Howard related to say. You're wasting both of our times.

You should talk. Your time is already wasted but now you are wasting my time.

Lets see. I am at work and there isnt much to do today... OK, I will go post for for with you and keep up with your crap. I'll outlast you and get paid for it.

EDIT: I cannot believe you havent gone to your "Marbury sucks" routine.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 01-24-2006 08:35 AM]

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Silverfuel:


You should talk. Your time is already wasted but now you are wasting my time.

Lets see. I am at work and there isnt much to do today... OK, I will go post for for with you and keep up with your crap. I'll outlast you and get paid for it.

EDIT: I cannot believe you havent gone to your "Marbury sucks" routine.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 01-24-2006 08:35 AM]

its "gone into" your Marbury...

What a comeback. You arent original at all. Atleast islesfan takes some time and puts some humor into his posts. Atleast he can stay on topic. You actually cannot turn it back into a "Would you trade for Howard" thing at all even if you try. You need help but thats for another time. I am sure it will come up. Since you like getting personal with other posters, I am sure you will take a cheap shot at me again. I will help you out getting back to topic.

There isnt much arguing about "if we should do the trade". I would do it in a second. Howard IMO is going to be better than Amare. No point even going there. You want to go back to saying Isiah messed up by not drafting Howard. You want to blame it on the Marbury trade? Bullcrap! You cannot back that up. You cannot present any facts that the Knicks would have gotten the 1st pick in the draft. You are assuming that it could happen. Exactly what Bonn did when he assumed it wouldnt happen. Thats what islesfan was talking about.

I'm actually loving this. I hope you keep replying. I would love to keep you on the Dwight Howard topic. I wonder if you can survive without changing the topic. I guess thats your claim to fame on this forum.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Are you saying it's unreasonable to assume the Knicks would have continued the 14-21 pace they were on before acquiring Marbury? We FACTUALLY know that the teams represented by the 9th to 15th best chances did not move up that year. Are you saying the Knicks would have moved up if they finished 10th and those same ping pong balls had Knicks logos instead of whatever team finished tenth? Those must be magical logos!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-24-2006 08:15 AM]

yes. with no Allan Houston and a rusty hobbled Dyess, who was going to put the ball in the hole?

And you still are assuming. Assumptions. Looks like you have no facts. Worst record doesnt mean #1 pick. islesfan, please help him make his point about using facts to prove us getting the #1 pick.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Are you saying it's unreasonable to assume the Knicks would have continued the 14-21 pace they were on before acquiring Marbury? We FACTUALLY know that the teams represented by the 9th to 15th best chances did not move up that year. Are you saying the Knicks would have moved up if they finished 10th and those same ping pong balls had Knicks logos instead of whatever team finished tenth? Those must be magical logos!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-24-2006 08:15 AM]

Yes, now STFU.

Posted by simrud:

There are many reasons to hate IT, but not gettin the pick to draft Howard is streching it.

I don't think anybody is saying that. I think the point is that we would have had a shot at either Howard, Okafor or Gordon, or at the very least would have a very good young player and A LOT more flexibility financially if we hadn't made that trade. But Isiah made a decision to go for it then instead of rebuilding which only put us in an even deeper hole that Layden left us in.

Posted by islesfan:

It's hardly unreasonable to think that a bad team like that could have finished with the 6th worst record in the league. And it's been already been proven that a 6th lottery seed could win the #1 overall pick.

Ergo, it is possible that the Knicks could have been in the running for Howard and Okafor if the Marbury trade had not happened. So Isiah is wrong yet again and seriously, isn't that what this is really about?

I agree. There is no doubt that the 6th worst record can get the #1 pick. That is still not a fact. We could've just as easily gotten the #8 pick. The Clippers have been screwed by the draft many times. It took them a while to build the winning team they have today. And that too wasnt through the draft. They had to trade for Brand and sign Sam I am.

I have no problem with someone saying we could've gotten the #1 pick. You dont like the job the GM has done and you have facts (Jerome James) to back it up. Those are not assumptions and what you say is 40% of the times well founded. I was just pointing out the McK1 and Bonn were both assuming they either we could or we couldnt get the #1 pick.

wow..this thread has gotten to...it's....it's....