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franco12
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1/23/2006  9:19 AM
throw the stats with curry out the window- I've seen flashes of him expending effort on the defensive end, rebounding- he's had a few games.\

the question isn't does he have the potential- he's got it.

the question is can he put it together.

I think this season is lost- LB & staff should be working with players about how to make an entry pass, how to pass out when doubled, reset and pass in again.

screw the wins and losses- work on this fundamental stuff, and then hope to put things together next year.

Sure, Curry's been in the league a while, but he came in as an 18 year old- do you think he ever needed or learned how to pass out of the paint in HS?
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1/23/2006  10:13 AM
Right now it's all up to Eddie Curry. It's really a mental thing with him. He needs to keep working hard to improve his defense and learn how to pass out of the post. He also has to really work on his decision making to avoid offensive fouls. The tools are all there, and he's made steps in the right direction (hiring a personal chef).
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1/23/2006  11:06 AM
The bottom line with Curry is that he's not a franchise player that you build around like he's being made out to be. He's got great size but no game other than bulling his way to the basket from 3 feet out for dunks and layups. He has no post moves, no jump hook or jumpshot to speak of.

Worst of all he has no defensive presence at all which goes directly to his poor work ethic, his desire and his lack of conditioning. He's a terrible rebounder for a man his size and his post defense is absolutely pathetic. Opposing guards come into the lane without a worry in the world because they know Curry won't challenge them.

After 5 years in the league, Curry is still just relying on his size and that's sad because he has potential. Unfortunately Curry wouldn't be the first player to squander huge physical gifts because he had no work ethic or desire to be great.
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1/23/2006  11:21 AM
You must be refering to Michael Curry, because Eddy Curry does have a jump hook, and he doesn't just bull is way to the basket all the time. Curry is very athletic and when given room I've seen him skate around the defender. Obviously he has much to work on including his d, but no one said Curry is a player you build around, but he can be an intrical piece to a championship puzzle.

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1/23/2006  11:22 AM
Isles, I have to disagree..there are plenty of guys who take time to develop in this league...look at Rashard Lewis, Jermaine ONeal, Tmac, Kobe, Ben Wallace, Garnett...all these guys took a LONG time to develop.
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1/23/2006  11:42 AM
How good would Curry be with a PG like Paul and Steph at SG? Pretty freakin' good, I would guess.
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1/23/2006  11:47 AM
I don't know how much better Curry would be with Paul at PG. Curry already gets plenty of open looks from Steph. His problem is lack of playing time, and that he plays zero defense. A guy 7 feet should be an intimidator in the paint.
islesfan
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1/23/2006  11:55 AM
Posted by joec32033:

Isles, I have to disagree..there are plenty of guys who take time to develop in this league...look at Rashard Lewis, Jermaine ONeal, Tmac, Kobe, Ben Wallace, Garnett...all these guys took a LONG time to develop.

The list of players who never developed and tapped their potential is much bigger. And you can't compare Curry to the players that you mentioned. Those guys have more ability and/or a much greater worth ethic and desire than Curry could ever dream of having.

no one said Curry is a player you build around, but he can be an intrical piece to a championship puzzle.

Isiah did. He said he was building around Curry and Frye. Neither or which is a cornerstone type player. Neither of them makes their teammates better, they need teammates to make them better.
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1/23/2006  12:01 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:

Isles, I have to disagree..there are plenty of guys who take time to develop in this league...look at Rashard Lewis, Jermaine ONeal, Tmac, Kobe, Ben Wallace, Garnett...all these guys took a LONG time to develop.

The list of players who never developed and tapped their potential is much bigger. And you can't compare Curry to the players that you mentioned. Those guys have more ability and/or a much greater worth ethic and desire than Curry could ever dream of having.

no one said Curry is a player you build around, but he can be an intrical piece to a championship puzzle.

Isiah did. He said he was building around Curry and Frye. Neither or which is a cornerstone type player. Neither of them makes their teammates better, they need teammates to make them better.

what i will say is that you can probably say the same about ben and rasheed. are they franchise players? i mean they're great parts but collectively they're better than individually. neither make they're teammates better but it all just works as a unit. i think they both can be good pieces but the HUGE difference is that sheed and ben are based on defense while frye and curry are more offense.
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1/23/2006  12:02 PM
I'm not down on Eddy in general but I will tell you this - Saturday night he looked like a guy who only got into basketball because he was big, not out of passion for it.
islesfan
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1/23/2006  12:05 PM
On the defensive end I think Ben Wallace is a franchise player and he certainly makes his teammates better. They can be more aggressive on defense because they know he's behind them.

Rasheed isn't a franchise player but he fit as their last piece to the puzzle. He's also much more skilled than either Frye or Curry are on offense and defense.
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1/23/2006  12:09 PM
Posted by Marv:

I'm not down on Eddy in general but I will tell you this - Saturday night he looked like a guy who only got into basketball because he was big, not out of passion for it.

I've heard this comment before and it's not good that you made the conclusion after seeing him in person.
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1/23/2006  12:18 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by joec32033:

Isles, I have to disagree..there are plenty of guys who take time to develop in this league...look at Rashard Lewis, Jermaine ONeal, Tmac, Kobe, Ben Wallace, Garnett...all these guys took a LONG time to develop.

The list of players who never developed and tapped their potential is much bigger. And you can't compare Curry to the players that you mentioned. Those guys have more ability and/or a much greater worth ethic and desire than Curry could ever dream of having.

no one said Curry is a player you build around, but he can be an intrical piece to a championship puzzle.

Isiah did. He said he was building around Curry and Frye. Neither or which is a cornerstone type player. Neither of them makes their teammates better, they need teammates to make them better.


The only one who really showed any work ethic was Kobe. TMac was continually knocked as lazy, JO was skinny and showed NOTHING until in Indy, Rashard also took time and he was billed as a cornerstone..He is about the same age as Curry and this year is his coming out party. I won't say that Curry doesn't have the desire or work ethic...i don't know that and I see subtle improvements in his game. But I will say he has as much potential on everyone on that list oter than maybe Kobe. Curry can be a monster in this league as quick, big and strong as he is. Kids always take time.
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joec32033
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1/23/2006  12:21 PM
Posted by islesfan:

On the defensive end I think Ben Wallace is a franchise player and he certainly makes his teammates better. They can be more aggressive on defense because they know he's behind them.

Rasheed isn't a franchise player but he fit as their last piece to the puzzle. He's also much more skilled than either Frye or Curry are on offense and defense.


Rasheed is the classic example of wasted talent without his mind in the game. He could have revoltionized the position and made people compare Garnett to him if you know what I mean. Wallace is a guy who bounced around like 3 teams (Washington, Orlando, Detroit). That means two other teams had the same opinion of him as you have of Curry.
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1/23/2006  1:43 PM
Posted by islesfan:

The bottom line with Curry is that he's not a franchise player that you build around like he's being made out to be. He's got great size but no game other than bulling his way to the basket from 3 feet out for dunks and layups. He has no post moves, no jump hook or jumpshot to speak of.

Worst of all he has no defensive presence at all which goes directly to his poor work ethic, his desire and his lack of conditioning. He's a terrible rebounder for a man his size and his post defense is absolutely pathetic. Opposing guards come into the lane without a worry in the world because they know Curry won't challenge them.

After 5 years in the league, Curry is still just relying on his size and that's sad because he has potential. Unfortunately Curry wouldn't be the first player to squander huge physical gifts because he had no work ethic or desire to be great.

Have to agree with you here. 10 feet from basket is like a half court shot to him.
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