Posted by Bippity10:

Isiah was a scoring PG that can dish yet he won titles. He was ridiculed for being selfish at an early age. But he won as he got older because he matured and most importantly they built a team that could best utilize his skills. They put a backcourt player next to him that coulld:

1.) Defend the other teams best backcourt scorer and allow Zeke to focus on offense
2.) Run the point when Zeke was on the bench
3.) Run the point and allow Zeke to score when he got going
4.) Spot up at the 2 guard and hit open jumpers whne zeke penetrated and attracted attention.

Because their guards shot so much they went out and got a PF,C combo that were only focused on D and rebounding and did it well so that the guards did not have to worry about crashing the boards and could get up on their men and create havoc.

They went out and acquired Post up SF's in Aguiree and Dantley because their big men either could not post or were better suited for outside play.

They built a team capable of playing off each other's strengths.

We built a team in which our best scorer is being asked to distribute like Bob Cousy and Magic Johnson.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Bippity10:

But see you were a big STeph supporter because you were blinded by the lights. You thought he was a superstar, a franchise man. Then when he turned out not to be you hated him.

Bip, I'm tired of the way you continually suggest that the way I view Steph is based on a blindness or how I don't see the obvious. Try to pawn your crap on someone else.

Stop responding to every post that I make that has a remote positive spin upon Steph and you wouldn't have to worry about it. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. If you can't handle the gunfire stay out of the OK corral. If you can't stand the Bip, ignore him.

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by Bippity10:

If you can't handle the gunfire stay out of the OK corral.

OT, but...watching tombstone now, great movie

I enjoyed it too.

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by YoungSpike:
Yes, yes yes the whole Team USA thing was all because of Steph too,

It's funny how people justify Steph on the grounds that after Ward and Eisley we needed a good PG, as if: a) Steph is a good PG, and b) that has a great effect on a team. But when he fails to have a positive effect they then downplay the role of PG on performance.

Listen, past Team USA PGs who won were always invited to play again, like Kidd and Bibby, and I'd bet that some of the guys on this team that lost with Steph, like Jefferson, duncan, Amare, Wade and Marion, will be invited again (unless the selection committee really goes in a radically new direction, like college only), but I'd bet a testicle that Steph will not be invited to orchestrate Team USA again.

and when the Suns played the Spurs that year how many games did it go to? Who won it all that year? As Iremember it the UNDERDOG Suns played them better then anyone else that year

It went 6 games. I've never seen so much made of two first round wins before.

lets be fair, I don't want to diminish it too much, but lets not overrate it too much either. Steph played very well against a 20 yr old Parker. Because of that the Suns awarded Steph with a contract that would make Allan Houston jealous. Within 6 months of that Steph was not buying into his coaches system and was alienating teammates and was traded to us for "garbage".

So much for two playoff wins.


[Edited by - BlueSeats on 12-30-2005 1:54 PM]

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Bippity10:

"move him to SG already. If he can succeed there, great; if not lets just call it a day and get what we can for him."

Finally coming over to my side of the argument

I "finally came to your side of the argument" about 18 months ago, when you were probably spewing that Steph was one of the elite PGs in the game, would be an MVP candidate, and would retire as one of the greatest Knick PGs ever.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Bippity10:

But see you were a big STeph supporter because you were blinded by the lights. You thought he was a superstar, a franchise man. Then when he turned out not to be you hated him.

Bip, I'm tired of the way you continually suggest that the way I view Steph is based on a blindness or how I don't see the obvious. Try to pawn your crap on someone else.

Stop responding to every post that I make that has a remote positive spin upon Steph and you wouldn't have to worry about it. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. If you can't handle the gunfire stay out of the OK corral. If you can't stand the Bip, ignore him.

Or, since this is a DISCUSSION board, you could just deal with the issues at hand. I'm not exactly wowed by your view of the game but I'm able to refrain from making it personal and questioning your vision or making derisive assumptions about your coaching acumen. I could go down that road with you if you'd like - if you like the heat - but I just don't think it serves the board, let alone the discussion at hand.

I think if you were confident in your argument you'd be able to put it forth without resorting to all the diversions and childish personal assumptions.

OK, cowboy?

Hey blue seats there are plenty of people on this board that were posting with me 18 months ago so you can feel free to ask them what I thought of the Marbury trade. I have never been a fan of Marbury ever and still am not. I made fun of fans for thinking once again that we can bypass building a team and bring in a savior that will lead us to the promised land. If you can't tell, I do have strong opinions and am in no way afraid to defend them. I guarantee you had a hire opinion of STeph than I did 18 months ago, before you started hating him and searching for reasons to post about him on the myriad of sites you joined.

I stand by my statments yet again. Marbs is not a franchise player. He is not a lead guard. He is not leading us to a title. Anyone who has ever thought he would is mislead. That being said HE IS NOT THE REASON FOR OUR PROBLEMS. The KNicks need to focus upon building a team instead of constantly blaming coach's and individual players for our misfortune. The day that becomes our focus as an organization(including the fans) is the day we will have some stability and the day we will finally start workign for a title. Until then we will always be blaiming our star, making rash trades and moronic free-agent signings.

GET READY EDDY BECAUSE YOU WILL BE BLAMED NEXT.

Posted by Bippity10:

Lastly blueseats. I posted about some other issues that are wrong with the knicks simply because I wanted to talk about something else besides Marbs. You immediately came on with a post attacking Marbs and then wonder why I think you are blinded by hate for the guy. You can end it simply by not responding to me, or by talking about something besides the guy you are obsessed with.