How emphatically can I state that I don't miss Timmy Thomas?
I'll let this stand.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bobby wrote:i take kvh before taking tt back. tt is playing the best spot of his career off the bench backing up nocioni. sweetney has a starting position

KVH was the better player and IT was stupid to trade him for Mr. Unrealized Potential.

We were playing well before that trade too. I wonder if Marbury didn't like KVH and that had an impact or if Zeke just thought he could do better. Either way, I will take the 2012 Knicks over that train wreck any day.

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bobby wrote:i take kvh before taking tt back. tt is playing the best spot of his career off the bench backing up nocioni. sweetney has a starting position

KVH was the better player and IT was stupid to trade him for Mr. Unrealized Potential.

gunsnewing wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I miss the Marbury to Doleac Pick and Pop play...

One of the few times we looked good during the 12yr dark ages. Another time was when we won 6 in a row with Larry Brown and then we played the Nyets and Steph proclaimed himself to be the "best pg in the nba" and it was down hill from there. Trade Ariza, Add Steve Francis ughhhhhh

Haha the new Clyde and Earl the Pearl. My ass!!!

ChuckBuck wrote:I miss the Marbury to Doleac Pick and Pop play...

The famous preacher, audience responds with "yes sirr"

Bonn1997 wrote:

Solace wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

Bobby wrote:i take kvh before taking tt back. tt is playing the best spot of his career off the bench backing up nocioni. sweetney has a starting position

KVH was the better player and IT was stupid to trade him for Mr. Unrealized Potential.

They both had very little left in the tank after the trade. KVH was probably slightly farther from empty. In retrospect, I think it's amusing that people had such strong reactions to this trade when both guys were non-impact players for the rest of their careers.

I don't agree with this. If you're going to say something negative about KVH, fine, here it is: I think he was not thick skinned, similar to Mark Sanchez. But he was playing extremely well on that team with Marbury. Tim Thomas finished in the NBA because he sucked and was an incredibly low IQ player. KVH stopped playing because he had enough of the NBA, getting traded, switching teams, moving his family. He left the NBA to spend more time with his family. You have to respect that, whether or not you liked him as a player.

KVH was playing well the small sample of games right before the trade. My comment referred to what happened after the trade. What matters when trying to assess a trade is what will happen in the future, not the past. He basically became an injury prone 10 PPG player. I know you like KVH and I can respect that. But objectively, I don't think you can look at what unfolded after the trade and say the Knicks lost out on (or acquired) anything important.

I liked KVH because he unfairly got a bad rap and I thought he played really well for us. That team that we had would've done better than gotten swept in the first round had we not made the trade. Was it a difference between a championship or not? No, of course not. But we had a special chemistry with that team and it was a shame we never got to see it blossom. But what's done is done.

As for career, his role was reduced after that. I think he was still arguably a starting talent at the time he joined Dallas. He was 6th man because he was on a very very deep Dallas team. He was more than capable of continuing to play well after that, and he left for family reasons. You cannot say the same for Tim Thomas. Tim Thomas was an atrocious, knucklehead team killer. He was a great athlete and could shoot, but that was it. That's all there is to it.

Say what you want, but the Knicks did not do well in that trade. I was one of the few who said it at the time and I was right. Now is it as bad as some of the other terrible trades we made during the Isiah era? No, but there is something to be said about a team that peaked nearing .500 before trading away a core of the team that got them there and peaked with a 39 win season. Would the Isiah years have been more tolerable if the Knicks didn't get swept in their one playoff appearance? I think so. If you want to talk objectively, why not stop hating 8 years later and just let it go?