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12/27/2005  3:43 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Well, this is NY and we do have some obnoxious fans. It comes with the territory.

I agree. I am a New Yorker and understand the city as well as you guys. I have also played and coached and won and lost at a high level in this city. I also know that when I won it was in spite of the treatment not because of it. I also know that playing and coaching was a hell of a lot easier when fans were on my side. Fans have no idea how much better they made mine and my teams world. They have no idea how much they helped.

I am not here to get people to stop booing. I'm not here to beg you to "oh please leave Mr. Marbury alone". I'm here just to raise the question of whether we are fair to our stars or not. Is Marbury really a cancer or have we turned him into one? We sapped the garden of all it's power last night the moment Nate fouled out. Then fans spend the next day talking about how they "saw" Marbs doing certain things wrong on the bench. They are hunting, searching for something. Is it really there or are we just creating it?

No matter how much I know and love NY, My opinion does not change. Booing Marbs last night was absolutely the wrong time. We are inventing reasons to hate the guy because we blame him for the crappy roster we have.
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12/27/2005  3:47 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Is Marbury really a cancer or have we turned him into one? We sapped the garden of all it's power last night the moment Nate fouled out. Then fans spend the next day talking about how they "saw" Marbs doing certain things wrong on the bench. They are hunting, searching for something. Is it really there or are we just creating it?

don't take mine or any other posters words for it. take the words of his former teammates and former nba players who pretty much say the same thing.

kurt thomas on SAS said: "sometimes it's just the way steph would look at me after a bad play."

i may be hunting, searching for something...but kurt isn't.
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12/27/2005  3:47 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BasketballJones:

Well, this is NY and we do have some obnoxious fans. It comes with the territory.

I agree. I am a New Yorker and understand the city as well as you guys. I have also played and coached and won and lost at a high level in this city. I also know that when I won it was in spite of the treatment not because of it. I also know that playing and coaching was a hell of a lot easier when fans were on my side. Fans have no idea how much better they made mine and my teams world. They have no idea how much they helped.

I am not here to get people to stop booing. I'm not here to beg you to "oh please leave Mr. Marbury alone". I'm here just to raise the question of whether we are fair to our stars or not. Is Marbury really a cancer or have we turned him into one? We sapped the garden of all it's power last night the moment Nate fouled out. Then fans spend the next day talking about how they "saw" Marbs doing certain things wrong on the bench. They are hunting, searching for something. Is it really there or are we just creating it?

No matter how much I know and love NY, My opinion does not change. Booing Marbs last night was absolutely the wrong time. We are inventing reasons to hate the guy because we blame him for the crappy roster we have.

I'm sure the booing isn't helping Marbury. It also didn't help the guy trying to win a contest by hitting free throws, regardless of how "funny" some people think it is.



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12/27/2005  3:51 PM
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i cheered for him b/c i thought steph returning to ny would finally dispel the "rep" he acquired over the years. it was a fresh start. but after 2 years, like you said, he hasn't changed. it was the honeymoon period when he first got here. that's why people cheered him. we cheer anybody new b/c we're hoping they can help us. ewing was cheered for 14 years. he started gettting criticized a little bit towards the end of year 14 and then it was only in year 15+16 did it really start to tailspin.

Now we are losing and people are magically inventing things, like how he is behaving on the bench and on the court etc. The same shiot we did to Patrick and Allan.

don't say magically inventing b/c it can easily be said that your magically making it disappear. i can see it with my own two eyes. on a young team, without a leader, i don't want this guy around them. case closed. i could give two craps if he's getting booed or not. people get treated unfairly in every walks of life, making 1/100000th of what he gets. i feel sorry for them.

and when did we magically invent stuff with pat? it was always about him being the centerpiece of the offense despite him losing a step.

this is different with patrick we're not going to be like "man, we made a mistake booing him" with steph. he's going to be gone and it's not going to matter BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WINNING WITH HIM. that's that difference. if we were like a 40 win team and we dump him and become a 30 win team, you can compare that with ewing. but we won 33 f'n games last year. we have 7 f'n wins this year. ewing left, we got bounced in the first round for the first time in a decade. steph leaves, dare i say, we will win just as many...IF NOT MORE with him gone. i don't agree with the correlation you're trying to make between them.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-27-2005 3:43 PM]

Absolute revisionist history. We turned on Patrick the day after we lost to Houston in the finals. It was just that they ran him out of town in the final years but fans were relentless against him whenever the team failed. They cheered him when we were winning and blamed him when we lost. That's Knick fans. Target the star.

When you say we cheer anyone new that just proves the entire point I"ve been making. That's exactly what I've been saying. We are cheering David and Channing and Nate because they are new. Five years from now when we are still not winning we will be blaming one of them and coming up with different reasons why. That's my point.

These sentences are word for word what I said when fans boo'd Patrick and Allan and came on websites blaming them. I'ts the same stuff. Nothing has changed.

When Marbs first got here we were winning. So we ignored the pouting and the towels. As the roster has gotten worse we have turned up the heat on the flaws that were always there. When he's gone and Eddie and/or Jamal are our best players magically their flaws will start to be noticed and the cycle will continue.
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12/27/2005  3:53 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

Is Marbury really a cancer or have we turned him into one? We sapped the garden of all it's power last night the moment Nate fouled out. Then fans spend the next day talking about how they "saw" Marbs doing certain things wrong on the bench. They are hunting, searching for something. Is it really there or are we just creating it?

don't take mine or any other posters words for it. take the words of his former teammates and former nba players who pretty much say the same thing.

kurt thomas on SAS said: "sometimes it's just the way steph would look at me after a bad play."

i may be hunting, searching for something...but kurt isn't.

It was well documented that KT and Marbury and Marbury and Keith Van Horn didn't like eachother. A very YOUNG Marion and even younger and immature Amare had something to say too. Those are 4 people. How about Nazr Muhammad though, he seemed to have been playing the best bball of his career with us, before his groin injury. I'm sure he has some wonderful things to say about Marbury. Or how about Larry Brown and his millions of other teammates? I heard 4 voices. 1 from a guy who has underachieved. 1 from a good player but not a star. and 2 from 2 FUTURE stars, but certainly weren't there yet. Not everyone is gonna like everyone else. Heck, there's probably about 50 other guys who hated playing with T Mac and Kobe. How come they don't get the heat?? TMac has won just as much, in case you haven't noticed.
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12/27/2005  3:59 PM
Here's my take:

Steph's pouting is bad
Jamal's utter disdain for defense is bad
Eddies inability to stay healthy or avoid fouls is bad
The signing of JJ is bad
Having a team that outlets rebounds to PF's is bad
NOt having a small forward that can hit a 10 footer is bad
Not cheering when our team is making a comeback is bad
Trading taylor and not using him is bad
Not having a true point guard is bad
Not having a leader is bad
Having a team that doesn't guard is bad
Cancer is bad
Having a media that targets one player instead of holding the entire team culpable is bad
Trading for a starting SG that has a bad back is bad
Being over the cap with no draft picks is bad

How many of these things are Marbs' fault? One or two? I blame everyone. But then again I always thought bball was a team game.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-27-2005 4:17 PM]
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12/27/2005  4:01 PM
Well, I was at the game and it never seemed right to me to boo Marbury or the team. I sure didn't boo. (I understand the motivation, but I think it's counterproductive.)

It also did not seem right to boo the poor guy who's just trying to win a contest.

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12/27/2005  4:01 PM
Marbury is being booed because he doesn't make his teammates better and he isn't the savior that people hoped he would be. It's the same problems that he's had at every other stop in his career.

He is who he is, a player that puts up very good but very hollow numbers. They look good in the boxscore but they have little to do with helping the team win. This is nothing new mind you and something that Isiah should have realized long before he made the trade. Too bad Isiah was more interested in making a big splash than putting a plan together from the beginning and sticking to it. Instead we're where we are now with little hope of vast improvement.

I agree that the people who are booing are misplacing their anger. Marbury isn't to blame for this mess, Isiah is. Start putting heat on the real cause if you want change.
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12/27/2005  4:03 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Here's my take:

Steph's pouting is cancerous
Jamal's utter disdain for defense is cancerous
Eddies inability to stay healthy or avoid fouls is cancerous
The signing of JJ is cancerous
Having a team that outlets rebounds to PF's is cancerous
NOt having a small forward that can hit a 10 footer is cancerous
Not cheering when our team is making a comeback is cancerous
Trading taylor and not using him is cancerous
Not having a true point guard is cancerous
Not having a leader is cancerous
Having a team that doesn't guard is cancerous
Cancer is cancerous
Having a media that targets one player instead of holding the entire team culpable is cancerous.
Trading for a starting SG that has a bad back is cancerous
Being over the cap with no draft picks is cancerous

How many of these things are Marbs' fault? One or two? I blame everyone. But then again I always thought bball was a team game.

if that's your take, then in essence, the cancer is isiah...which isn't that farfetched

there is no cancer on the team. there, imho, is a shift in philosophy which is slightly impeded by steph.
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12/27/2005  4:06 PM
I never liked associating a human being with a word that has taken the lives of millions upon millions of innocent people. To me, it's a metaphor with little to no thought put in it. Call him an arshole and it's bad enough if he doesn't deserve it. But to me, unless you're someone like Osama Bin Laden, it must be disheartening, unwarranted and unjustifiable to be called Cancer.
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12/27/2005  4:17 PM
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I never liked associating a human being with a word that has taken the lives of millions upon millions of innocent people. To me, it's a metaphor with little to no thought put in it. Call him an arshole and it's bad enough if he doesn't deserve it. But to me, unless you're someone like Osama Bin Laden, it must be disheartening, unwarranted and unjustifiable to be called Cancer.

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12/27/2005  4:25 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Marbury is being booed because he doesn't make his teammates better and he isn't the savior that people hoped he would be. It's the same problems that he's had at every other stop in his career.

He is who he is, a player that puts up very good but very hollow numbers. They look good in the boxscore but they have little to do with helping the team win. This is nothing new mind you and something that Isiah should have realized long before he made the trade. Too bad Isiah was more interested in making a big splash than putting a plan together from the beginning and sticking to it. Instead we're where we are now with little hope of vast improvement.

I agree that the people who are booing are misplacing their anger. Marbury isn't to blame for this mess, Isiah is. Start putting heat on the real cause if you want change.

Wow, even the most vile, hateful angry Knicks fan ever to walk the face of the earth can recognize misplaced anger. You must have been a psych major

I agree with all you said about Marbs. I think his numbers are hollow. He's not a leader. But he has done little to me to be boo'd or blamed. I blame everyone but if I had to target one guy why wouldn't it be the guy that put the TEAM togehter.

We all thought Ewing would be Bill Russell. When he wasn't we boo'd him. We all thought Houston would be a franchise guy the moment he signed the contract and found out he wasn't. We all thought Marbs would magically become a leader just because he was brought home. Now we are disappointed and we turn on them like a rabid dog. Why are NY fans fooled so easily? I guess I don't get all bent out of shape because I recognize what the players are when they come here. We'll know when we have a true star. It will be easily recognizable.

Steph is who he is. The same guy he was 2 years ago. Let's move on from it and at least support the guy while he is here and maybe he can help us win a few games. If a trade comes up that is worthwhile than trade him. But booing him during crunch time of an attempted comeback is not going to turn him into a leader. It does nothing but cause more of a media circus. More ammo for tomorrow's papers and as Isles said takes the focus off the true problems which include Zeke and all the other things I mentioned. Stop giving the rest of our underachievers a scapegoat to hide behind.
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12/27/2005  6:17 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:

Marbury is being booed because he doesn't make his teammates better and he isn't the savior that people hoped he would be. It's the same problems that he's had at every other stop in his career.

He is who he is, a player that puts up very good but very hollow numbers. They look good in the boxscore but they have little to do with helping the team win. This is nothing new mind you and something that Isiah should have realized long before he made the trade. Too bad Isiah was more interested in making a big splash than putting a plan together from the beginning and sticking to it. Instead we're where we are now with little hope of vast improvement.

I agree that the people who are booing are misplacing their anger. Marbury isn't to blame for this mess, Isiah is. Start putting heat on the real cause if you want change.

Wow, even the most vile, hateful angry Knicks fan ever to walk the face of the earth can recognize misplaced anger. You must have been a psych major

I agree with all you said about Marbs. I think his numbers are hollow. He's not a leader. But he has done little to me to be boo'd or blamed. I blame everyone but if I had to target one guy why wouldn't it be the guy that put the TEAM togehter.

We all thought Ewing would be Bill Russell. When he wasn't we boo'd him. We all thought Houston would be a franchise guy the moment he signed the contract and found out he wasn't. We all thought Marbs would magically become a leader just because he was brought home. Now we are disappointed and we turn on them like a rabid dog. Why are NY fans fooled so easily? I guess I don't get all bent out of shape because I recognize what the players are when they come here. We'll know when we have a true star. It will be easily recognizable.

Steph is who he is. The same guy he was 2 years ago. Let's move on from it and at least support the guy while he is here and maybe he can help us win a few games. If a trade comes up that is worthwhile than trade him. But booing him during crunch time of an attempted comeback is not going to turn him into a leader. It does nothing but cause more of a media circus. More ammo for tomorrow's papers and as Isles said takes the focus off the true problems which include Zeke and all the other things I mentioned. Stop giving the rest of our underachievers a scapegoat to hide behind.

I think that the reason marbury was booed was becuase the knicks played better when he was on the bench, not becuase he didnt become a different player. although I dont think he should have been booed cuase there were alot of knicks who played with little energy in the first 3 quarters, im pretty sure that if its not boo worthy for them and than it shouldnt be for marbury, I beleive that marbury's game can become better in time, which is the same reason why I haven't given up on curry, and q yet who've been more or less awful so far, but if his personality is as bad as blueseats and djsunyc suggest, then he should be traded, that anetdote about him not being interested in nate's welfare when he got into the scuffle last night, and his unwillingness to re-enter the game after nate fouled out could be some red flags in the personality department, but if his teammates dont find him that bad than marbury should not be booed and given the same chance as any other knick becuase he has shown improvement just as much as if not more than any other knick.

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-27-2005 6:18 PM]
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12/27/2005  7:23 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Slimpack don't believe everything you hear.

Especially regarding a guy who gets traded frequently and when the criticisms come from his own coaches, teammates and GMs.
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12/27/2005  7:30 PM
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Slimpack don't believe everything you hear.

Especially regarding a guy who gets traded frequently and when the criticisms come from his own coaches, teammates and GMs.

That doesn't mean he didn't react when Robinson got hurt or he was not cheering when the team was making a comeback. This is stuff that just gets a life of it's own after a while.
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12/27/2005  8:48 PM
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Slimpack don't believe everything you hear.

Especially regarding a guy who gets traded frequently and when the criticisms come from his own coaches, teammates and GMs.

That doesn't mean he didn't react when Robinson got hurt or he was not cheering when the team was making a comeback. This is stuff that just gets a life of it's own after a while.

Well I think you can tell I judge Steph over a greater timeframe than one game. But as to the specifics of last night, you seem to be suggesting, I think without being there yourself (correct me if I'm wrong) that DJ is mistaken.

Raises two questions. 1) On what basis do you assume DJ wrong? 2) If DJ is right would it change your mind on Marbury?
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12/27/2005  10:52 PM
Steph eats with his elbows on the dinner table. Trade him! We don't want him teaching the young guys that.
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12/28/2005  7:22 AM
Again, I never said he was wrong. I never said he was right either. But you can't beleive someone might suggest that maybe it isn't true so you automatically assume that I thought it was wrong. All I know is magically all these stories about Marbs are coming at us non-stop. I'm just saying people should not believe everything they hear.
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12/28/2005  10:20 AM
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Again, I never said he was wrong. I never said he was right either. But you can't beleive someone might suggest that maybe it isn't true so you automatically assume that I thought it was wrong. All I know is magically all these stories about Marbs are coming at us non-stop. I'm just saying people should not believe everything they hear.

i saw nate and vaughn get into an altercation and then i immediately look over to the bench (pre-conditioned thanks to knicks/heat). every single player is up. every assistant coach is up. all the fans are up. lb walks towards the melee. i see hanners and ford hold some players back. and while all of this is going on, steph is just sitting in his seat. not one movement. he turns to see what's going on, but after a few people stand in front of him, his view is blocked, so he turns forward and continues to just sit there. (facing towards spike's seats). just my observation and exactly how it occurred physically.
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