Posted by gunsnewing:

why would you waste time arguing with someone who thinks we win a championship next year after tearing it down? it could take 1,2,3,4,5 who knows how many years

What part of 5 years don't you get? Winning a championship within 5 years of rebuilding. It's not a hard concept and I'm sure its happened. Whats the deal man, why are you so angry right now?

Posted by gunsnewing:

why would you waste time arguing with someone who thinks we win a championship next year after tearing it down? it could take 1,2,3,4,5 who knows how many years

ky4ever was asking for teams that have rebuild and won a champ in 5 years. just forget about that, the point he was trying to make was dumping salary and tanking to get picks isnt necesarily the key to a championship. and he is right. but I think the knicks can only get over the hump if they have a flexible salary situation But who knows how long it will take to get one. also dolan may have to be fired for this team to be successful.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:

why would you waste time arguing with someone who thinks we win a championship next year after tearing it down? it could take 1,2,3,4,5 who knows how many years

What part of 5 years don't you get? Winning a championship within 5 years of rebuilding. It's not a hard concept and I'm sure its happened. Whats the deal man, why are you so angry right now?

ohhhhhh so you are for rebuilding and winning within 5yrs. So we're on the same side of the argument right? Thats what I've been trying to say all along. It doesn't have to take forever like it did with Denver and the clippers

no he isnt just read my post

[Edited by - slimpack on 12-21-2005 11:49 PM]

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by gunsnewing:

why would you waste time arguing with someone who thinks we win a championship next year after tearing it down? it could take 1,2,3,4,5 who knows how many years

ky4ever was asking for teams that have rebuild and won a champ in 5 years. just forget about that, the point he was trying to make was dumping salary and tanking to get picks isnt necesarily the key to a championship. and he is right. but I think the knicks can only get over the hump if they have a flexible salary situation But who knows how long it will take to get one. also dolan may have to be fired for this team to be successful.

oh I agree thats why I listed miami, phoenix, detroit, dallas, spurs and the lakers because they rebuilt in only 1-2yrs and didn't list the Clippers and the Bulls who took years. there are many ways to build a good team but you need cap flexibility and picks to have a chance. Right now we have none

Posted by gunsnewing:

oh I agree thats why I listed miami, phoenix, detroit, dallas, spurs and the lakers because they rebuilt in only 1-2yrs and didn't list the Clippers and the Bulls who took years. there are many ways to build a good team but you need cap flexibility and picks to have a chance. Right now we have none

Guns. The difference between what your saying and what I'm saying is that your listing teams that are good and made the playoffs. I want teams that won championships. Again, the Spurs didn't rebuild. They lost their key player due to injury and were lucky enough it happened the same year a All-Time player was in the draft. Championships.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by gunsnewing:

why would you waste time arguing with someone who thinks we win a championship next year after tearing it down? it could take 1,2,3,4,5 who knows how many years

ky4ever was asking for teams that have rebuild and won a champ in 5 years. just forget about that, the point he was trying to make was dumping salary and tanking to get picks isnt necesarily the key to a championship. and he is right. but I think the knicks can only get over the hump if they have a flexible salary situation But who knows how long it will take to get one. also dolan may have to be fired for this team to be successful.

oh I agree thats why I listed miami, phoenix, detroit, dallas, spurs and the lakers because they rebuilt in only 1-2yrs and didn't list the Clippers and the Bulls who took years. there are many ways to build a good team but you need cap flexibility and picks to have a chance. Right now we have none

well technically that wouldnt have disproved the point that nyk4ever was trying to make becuase none of those teams have won a championship even though they are competitive. nyk4ever was asking for a list of teams that have rebuild and then went on to win a championship within 5 years knowing that there are very few if any that have in order to prove the point that rebuilding doesnt eventually lead to a championship, which is what he beleives. I dont think I can explain it much clearer than that.

P.S. heres my new catch phrase. FIRE DOLAN IMMEDIATLEY

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:

oh I agree thats why I listed miami, phoenix, detroit, dallas, spurs and the lakers because they rebuilt in only 1-2yrs and didn't list the Clippers and the Bulls who took years. there are many ways to build a good team but you need cap flexibility and picks to have a chance. Right now we have none

Guns. The difference between what your saying and what I'm saying is that your listing teams that are good and made the playoffs. I want teams that won championships. Again, the Spurs didn't rebuild. They lost their key player due to injury and were lucky enough it happened the same year a All-Time player was in the draft. Championships.

but what about Phoenix, denver, milwaukee. wouldn't you rather be in there situation then where we are now? or tear the team down, tank and land the next duncan, lebron, wade?

tanking doesnt ensure guys like lebron and wade, luck plays a major factor. just like kwame brown. and michael olowakandi, and stromile swift, and darko. winning a championship requires assembling the best talent that fits, drafting high CAN be a way to do that but it isnt garuanteed.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:

oh I agree thats why I listed miami, phoenix, detroit, dallas, spurs and the lakers because they rebuilt in only 1-2yrs and didn't list the Clippers and the Bulls who took years. there are many ways to build a good team but you need cap flexibility and picks to have a chance. Right now we have none

Guns. The difference between what your saying and what I'm saying is that your listing teams that are good and made the playoffs. I want teams that won championships. Again, the Spurs didn't rebuild. They lost their key player due to injury and were lucky enough it happened the same year a All-Time player was in the draft. Championships.

but what about Phoenix, denver, milwaukee. wouldn't you rather be in there situation then where we are now? or tear the team down, tank and land the next duncan, lebron, wade?

tanking doesnt ensure guys like lebron and wade, luck plays a major factor. just like kwame brown. and michael olowakandi, and stromile swift, and darko. winning a championship requires assembling the best talent that fits, drafting high CAN be a way to do that but it isnt garuanteed.

and what about the capspace that we would have during that process? at some point, especially with Isiah drafting we're going to land a duncan, lebron, wade, bogut and have the cap room to add players

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-22-2005 12:02 AM]

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by gunsnewing:

we've made the playoffs once and got swept the past 5yrs. first i want to be as good as those playoff teams before we worry about beating the Spurs

thats a, seperate from what nyk4ever was talking about, yet good point.

alright well thats what I've been trying to say since page 1. there must've been a misunderstanding somewhere

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Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by gunsnewing:

we've made the playoffs once and got swept the past 5yrs. first i want to be as good as those playoff teams before we worry about beating the Spurs

thats a, seperate from what nyk4ever was talking about, yet good point.

alright well thats what I've been trying to say since page 1. there must've been a misunderstanding somewhere

There wasn't one. I repeatedly said your topic was different than the one were talking about.

Posted by gunsnewing:

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and what about the capspace that we would have during that process? at some point, especially with Isiah drafting we're going to land a duncan, lebron, wade, bogut and have the cap room to add players

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-22-2005 12:02 AM]

thats a good point zeke is a good drafter, which is why people blast him for not building through the draft. which may be a good way to make the knicks a competitave team when combined with max level FA signings. but zeke isnt a good signer though, anyway right now I agree with you that shedding costs will help this team, But right now theres now fast way to become better, all we can do is wait until things start clicking