Charlie Ward
Chris Childs
Greg Anthony
Howard Eisley

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by gunsnewing:


we'll have some flexibility to make trades that make us better. Right now we're stuck. nevermind the fact that we'd have some draft picks to work with and a cheaper but more effective PG for Larry to win with

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 6:37 PM]

No we won't - trading Marbury doesn't give us additional flexibility. Having young, athletic players gives us trade flexibility. Besides, trading Marbury now has its detriments - namely the fact the our draft picks for 06 and 07 have already been donated to other teams. Id prefer to own the draft pick the year we decide to tank.

theway Marbury is playing we are better without him and a cheaper PG who can run an offense. And I hate the idea of moving Marbury to SG since he'san erratic shooter

He is a erratic shooter but just becuase you play SG doesn't mean you have to be a good shooter. The reason he's talked about moving there is because he can do his thing on offense without HAVING to worry about setting up teammates, the PG could setup the offense/teammates and be the shooter, we can find a PG like that, his name is Chucky Atkins.

ehhh thats not how I invision a true SG. and remember someone has to defend the perimeter

Guns, first you argued that trading Marbury lends us cap space, a claim I have proven to be utterly false. Then, you said it gives us flexibility, a claim just as absurd because Marbury's presence on this roster doesn't in any way negate the trading flexibility we have from our variety of cheap, young, athletic players.

Now, the Knicks are better without Marbury? I'm not even sure how to respond to that. His weaknesses include an inconsistent outside shot and a tendency to waste shot clock - but, without his ability to penetrate, our offense is like Courtney Love on a good day - exposed. And Marbury's defense has been reasonable this season - if you watch closely, our losses are due to other culprits. I'd like you to point out specifically how you expect the team to be better without Marbury and perhaps a realistic replacement for Marbury whom you deem suitable. Otherwise, I you have zero evidence for your argument.

Posted by SlimPack:

who care if it doesnt put us under the cap, trading marbury will give us a chance of having cap space.

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 10:14 PM]

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by SlimPack:

who care if it doesnt put us under the cap, trading marbury will give us a chance of having cap space.

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 10:14 PM]

What does this mean?

having 20 million come off then that means that all we have to do is trade 1 or 2 other guys for expirings and we can be under the cap in two seasons, whatever it is by then, if we dont trade marbury then we dont have a chance of being under the cap and we'll be mediocre for the next 3 or 4 years like islesfan says. although right now we'd have to take a step or 2 up just to get to mediocre. maybe Im over reacting, maybe marbury will eventually learn to run the offense the way LB wants, thats the only way keeping him makes sense, even isiah said he'd consider trading him if he doesn't.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by SlimPack:

who care if it doesnt put us under the cap, trading marbury will give us a chance of having cap space.

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 10:14 PM]

What does this mean?

If you're into the cap space method, you need new ownership. You are NOT going to ever have cap space with Dolan/Cablevision running things regardless of Marbury being on the team.

maybe your right, those guys seem to only care about profits, but I dont see how we ever compete for a title that way.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by SlimPack:

who care if it doesnt put us under the cap, trading marbury will give us a chance of having cap space.

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 10:14 PM]

What does this mean?

having 20 million come off then that means that all we have to do is trade 1 or 2 other guys for expirings and we can be under the cap in two seasons, whatever it is by then, if we dont trade marbury then we dont have a chance of being under the cap and we'll be mediocre for the next 3 or 4 years like islesfan says. although right now we'd have to take a step or 2 up just to get to mediocre. maybe Im over reacting, maybe marbury will eventually learn to run the offense the way LB wants, thats the only way keeping him makes sense, even isiah said he'd consider trading him if he doesn't.

What? Very few championship teams got their key players via cap space signings. Cap space can help you improve your team but it's certainly neither necessary nor sufficient for rebuilding.

but you do need very good players and at least one really good player, how do we get that?

sign&trade

[Edited by - jaydh on 12-16-2005 10:35 PM]

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by SlimPack:

who care if it doesnt put us under the cap, trading marbury will give us a chance of having cap space.

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 10:14 PM]

What does this mean?

having 20 million come off then that means that all we have to do is trade 1 or 2 other guys for expirings and we can be under the cap in two seasons, whatever it is by then, if we dont trade marbury then we dont have a chance of being under the cap and we'll be mediocre for the next 3 or 4 years like islesfan says. although right now we'd have to take a step or 2 up just to get to mediocre. maybe Im over reacting, maybe marbury will eventually learn to run the offense the way LB wants, thats the only way keeping him makes sense, even isiah said he'd consider trading him if he doesn't.

What? Very few championship teams got their key players via cap space signings. Cap space can help you improve your team but it's certainly neither necessary nor sufficient for rebuilding.

but you do need very good players and at least one really good player, how do we get that?

By patiently letting our 2 22 year-old frontcourt kids (EC and CF) learn and develop and continuing to get more promising young players like them?



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:44 PM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by SlimPack:

who care if it doesnt put us under the cap, trading marbury will give us a chance of having cap space.

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 10:14 PM]

What does this mean?

having 20 million come off then that means that all we have to do is trade 1 or 2 other guys for expirings and we can be under the cap in two seasons, whatever it is by then, if we dont trade marbury then we dont have a chance of being under the cap and we'll be mediocre for the next 3 or 4 years like islesfan says. although right now we'd have to take a step or 2 up just to get to mediocre. maybe Im over reacting, maybe marbury will eventually learn to run the offense the way LB wants, thats the only way keeping him makes sense, even isiah said he'd consider trading him if he doesn't.

What? Very few championship teams got their key players via cap space signings. Cap space can help you improve your team but it's certainly neither necessary nor sufficient for rebuilding.

but you do need very good players and at least one really good player, how do we get that?

By patiently letting our 2 22 year-old frontcourt kids (EC and CF) learn and develop and continuing to get more promising young players like them?



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:44 PM]

so far curry and crawford have been models of inconsistencies, but your right maybe theyll finally change.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by SlimPack:

who care if it doesnt put us under the cap, trading marbury will give us a chance of having cap space.

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 10:14 PM]

What does this mean?

having 20 million come off then that means that all we have to do is trade 1 or 2 other guys for expirings and we can be under the cap in two seasons, whatever it is by then, if we dont trade marbury then we dont have a chance of being under the cap and we'll be mediocre for the next 3 or 4 years like islesfan says. although right now we'd have to take a step or 2 up just to get to mediocre. maybe Im over reacting, maybe marbury will eventually learn to run the offense the way LB wants, thats the only way keeping him makes sense, even isiah said he'd consider trading him if he doesn't.

What? Very few championship teams got their key players via cap space signings. Cap space can help you improve your team but it's certainly neither necessary nor sufficient for rebuilding.

but you do need very good players and at least one really good player, how do we get that?

By patiently letting our 2 22 year-old frontcourt kids (EC and CF) learn and develop and continuing to get more promising young players like them?



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-16-2005 10:44 PM]

so far curry and crawford have been models of inconsistencies, but your right maybe theyll finally change.

Who's talking about Crawford?
Regarding Curry, I expect 22 year olds to be inconsistent. Isiah and Larry need to whip him into shape physically next offseason.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by Bonn1997:


What franchise player FA last offseason or the one before would you have signed if we had cap space?

stop asking me to answer questions that require research, *sigh* hold on a sec

EDIT: okay here we go, jameer nelson, sebastion telefair, devin harris, ron arte.. err nevermind, JR smith, and Shaun Livingston, so far those are the only good ones that I dont think will get an extension or have a strong desire to resign with their team, my final assessment? that codeunknown was right and that theres no huge advantage to trading marbury and striving for cap space



[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 11:06 PM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by Bonn1997:


What franchise player FA last offseason or the one before would you have signed if we had cap space?

stop asking me to answer questions that require research, *sigh* hold on a sec

EDIT: okay here we go, jameer nelson, sebastion telefair, devin harris, ron arte.. err nevermind, JR smith, and Shaun Livingston, so far those are the only good ones that I dont think will get an extension or have a strong desire to resign with their team, my final assessment? that codeunknown was right and that theres no huge advantage to trading marbury and striving for cap space



[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 11:06 PM]

Now you've really confused me!

the reason I said it is becuase none of thos guys are really all that good, okafor and dwight howard are also on that list, but they'll likely get extensions, its kinda like what isiah said some time ago, getting under the cap isnt all that good becuase all the really good guys are locked up. but we need our draft picks tho, we wont ever be any good if he keeps trading them away

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-16-2005 11:22 PM]