Posted by Allanfan20:

Ohh tfk, they can be wonderful dogs if you train them properly. My best friend has a pit bull named Jake and he's one of the most timid animals you have met. In fact, pit bulls are SMART. He gets the animal to open the freaking backdoor somehow. (It's one of those handles that you just push down, so an smart animal would be able to do it). I would love to get a pit bull, but I would have to do some research on how to train them. They are bred to be very aggresive, but they can also be wonderful.

allan, you are probably correct, right now I am just upset, especially when I think of those dogs. For me I have just seen more bad than good, actually I haven't seen any good pit bulls. You have therefore you are more open to them than I am.... I am just ranting now...

If Qyntel can help this team, then why not sign him?

I like reclamation projects. Hell, I *am* a reclamation project. I've bounced back from some crazy stuff and seem to have gotten it right in life. I did that because I had people help me along the way and had plenty of 2nd chances.

Maybe QWoods is ready to move on. Hopefully at some point he will look back at things he did and thank god he's not that person anymore.

I'm numb to these kinds of moves anyway. Maybe he's ready to work. I would have preferred Eddie Robinson but he's not healthy.

Basically every move Isiah has done has involved one, or at least a guy the other team simply didn't want anymore. This post isn't about bashing Isiah. Just facts:

Trades for Moochie Norris, a player the Rockets had no use for, nor did we, but he wanted to give Don Chaney some kind of uptempo offense.

Trades for Marbury: Phoenix didn't want him anymore b/c of his contract and leadership woes.

Trades for Jamal and JYD: Jamal was a Chicago outcast and they basically gave up on the kid. He was not part of their future plans. JYD was a salary cap move.

Signs Dermarr JOhnson: Lottery pick who needed to climb a hiiiiigh ladder just to get on the right track b/c of the accident.

Trades for Mo T, a guy the Rockets were desperate to get rid of and Rose, a guy the Spurs simply had no use for.

Trades for Q, as the Suns were weary of his back problems. This trade could come back and bite us b/c of his injury woes.

Signs James: Attitude, weight and injury history. All seem to be haunting us to this day.

Trades for Curry, a guy the Bulls had to get rid of b/c of the heart problems. Before the heart, his work ethic and teammwork was a major question mark.

The draft picks, and the Butler signing are the exceptions. But you see the point? Draft picks and going after these prjects seem to be the only way we can go right now until we start winning and improving the cap condition.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Basically every move Isiah has done has involved one, or at least a guy the other team simply didn't want anymore. This post isn't about bashing Isiah. Just facts:

Trades for Moochie Norris, a player the Rockets had no use for, nor did we, but he wanted to give Don Chaney some kind of uptempo offense.

Trades for Marbury: Phoenix didn't want him anymore b/c of his contract and leadership woes.

Trades for Jamal and JYD: Jamal was a Chicago outcast and they basically gave up on the kid. He was not part of their future plans. JYD was a salary cap move.

Signs Dermarr JOhnson: Lottery pick who needed to climb a hiiiiigh ladder just to get on the right track b/c of the accident.

Trades for Mo T, a guy the Rockets were desperate to get rid of and Rose, a guy the Spurs simply had no use for.

Trades for Q, as the Suns were weary of his back problems. This trade could come back and bite us b/c of his injury woes.

Signs James: Attitude, weight and injury history. All seem to be haunting us to this day.

Trades for Curry, a guy the Bulls had to get rid of b/c of the heart problems. Before the heart, his work ethic and teammwork was a major question mark.

The draft picks, and the Butler signing are the exceptions. But you see the point? Draft picks and going after these prjects seem to be the only way we can go right now until we start winning and improving the cap condition.

Allan on the surface there is a lot of truth to what you said, but look at this, the rockets Re-acquired norris, the nuggets now have dermarr a part of their regular rotation, teams move guys for one reason or another, does that mean it is a bad move, vince was traded to the nets, does that mean that the raps had no use for him, so therefore he was a bad trade? It is just not as black and white as your post makes it seem..

Notice I never said they were bad moves. I just said that 85% of our moves were for guys that needed 2nd chances or needed to restore their careers. I think getting Jamal, Eddy, Quentin (If he's healthy) and Marbury can be great. Very talented bunch. And I am also happy about DerMarr. I was really rooting for him, and now he's turning out to be a nice story.

And the Raptors basically had no use for Vince. The guy was tanking games! He was another outcast who needed to restore his career, that Isiah was really interested in!

I'm not trying to make it black and white by saying their bad moves or bad players. I'm just saying that these are the types of players we seem to be going after, in terms of our trades and even free agent signings. It's b/c this is what we're limited to, b/c our assets haven't been that good. But now we seem to be turning the corner, at least a little bit.

Not to derail this discussion, but the locked booman thread is probably the funniest thing I've seen on this forum

Now youre just pissing me off.

^ If you delete another 1 of my posts without giving a fair reason (as they do on every other board) then you might as well ban me b/c I won't be posting here for much longer.

It's ****in disrespectful and unnessecary.

Posted by bobs3304:

^ If you delete another 1 of my posts without giving a fair reason (as they do on every other board) then you might as well ban me b/c I won't be posting here for much longer.

It's ****in disrespectful and unnessecary.

trying to run a knicks board here bobs, not babysit the likes of your posts. Feel free to jump ship any time.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by tomverve:

Can be understood by you. Because you can sympathize with anger.

good way to twist my words around. Also the 2nd sentance is an assumption and your wrong, I dont sympathize with it.

I didn't mean to twist your words around or say that you sympathize with spousal abuse. I meant to say that you think beating one's wife out of anger is understandable (you DID say that) because you have experienced anger yourself and you know it can make a person do bad things. So you can sympathize with a main psychological factor that might lead someone to hit a wife.

All I was trying to say is that there are most probably f'ed up things in Qyntel Woods's psychology that are specific to some combination of his past life events and his genes, and these things are probably not shared to a large degree by you or me. Without that common basis, of course it is going to be more difficult to understand what might move him to do whatever. I just don't think that this thing about understanding really factors into the morality of a given act and the explanations for why it should be more or less acceptable.

Look, I'm not making excuses for Qyntel. What he did was bad. Likewise, Kidd beating his wife was bad. Are there extenuating circumsances we can point to? Yes, in both cases, there are. That does not make what they did acceptable, of course not. But in *both* cases you have occurrences beyond the power of these men to control pushing them to do the things they've done, so you can't use that as a basis to say that one can be partially 'excused,' or that one's action was more 'understandable' but the other's wasn't.