I just feel that Curry/Frye have to stay here...I mean, curry is looking like the real monster everyone is making him out to be, Frye is coming into his own (albeit, with a similar game to KG), but I don't want to end up like the heat, one injury away from not only not having a present, but the future would be in minnesota.

Play hardball Zeke...they want expiring deals, they take penny and AD and we'll sprinkle in (Lee or Ariza) and Jackie B.

But...and this is a big but...I've been thoroughly enjoying our "rebuilding".

Untouchables IMHFO:
marbs, curry, frye
If we were to get KG, then they could have Crawford or Q (preferably Q if we are getting Wally) and MoT.

After that, they need to get a grip. They had cassel, spree, wally and KG and didn't GET TO THE FINALS.

Trade in Spree and Cassell for marbury and we are a championship team?

He's gotta play hard ball, take expiring deals, one of the two headed MoT/Rose monster, Jackie B and Q.

JMHO

[Edited by - rvhoss on 11-21-2005 6:33 PM]

bobs has it right, they are crazy if they think they are getting free agents. nobody switches teams as it is, and NOBODY wants to play in minnesota. (ask marbs)

I've been hearing this one since summer.

I hate to sound disrespectful.....but again, you're 1 dumb motherfuc!er if you're refusing KG just to keep Frye.

KG is arguably the best player in the league, and 1 of the most unselfish superstars around.

End of story.

Posted by bobs3304:

I hate to sound disrespectful.....but again, you're 1 dumb motherfuc!er if you're refusing KG just to keep Frye.

KG is arguably the best player in the league, and 1 of the most unselfish superstars around.

End of story.

yeah, yeah. It's all about leverage and what you can keep versus what you would give up. If I was Zeke I would try as hard as I could to keep Frye and Curry (and presumably Marbury) for KG. It's weird, but the Knicks have at least some leverage in this type of deal.

The Wolves are want for youngs and $$$. I don't think any other team could give them expiring contacts as much as the Knicks AND take back Wally/KG and possibly more.

I would still hold out Frye as long as I could.

As long as we are making things up out of thin air:

Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes

Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes

Michael Olowokandi
7-0 C from Pacific
5.9 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.6 minutes

Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
6.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.2 minutes
Incoming

Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes

Antonio Davis
6-9 PF from Texas-El Paso
7.0 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 25.6 minutes

Aaron Williams
6-9 PF from Xavier
2.0 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 7.9 minutes

Joey Graham
6-7 from Oklahoma State
No games yet played in 2004/05
Change in team outlook: -33.9 ppg, -15.2 rpg, and -6.8 apg.

New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes

Antonio Davis
6-9 PF from Texas-El Paso
7.0 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 25.6 minutes

Maurice Taylor
6-9 PF from Michigan
7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes

Matt Barnes
6-7 SF from UCLA
3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 16.6 minutes
Incoming

Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes

Trenton Hassell
6-5 SG from Austin Peay
6.6 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.2 minutes

Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
18.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 33.5 minutes

Rafael Araujo
6-11 C from Brigham Young
3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.3 apg in 12.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +24.7 ppg, +7.0 rpg, and +4.4 apg.

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
18.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 33.5 minutes

Aaron Williams
6-9 PF from Xavier
2.0 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 7.9 minutes

Rafael Araujo
6-11 C from Brigham Young
3.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.3 apg in 12.6 minutes

Joey Graham
6-7 from Oklahoma State
No games yet played in 2004/05
Incoming

Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami-OH
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes

Michael Olowokandi
7-0 C from Pacific
5.9 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 19.6 minutes

Maurice Taylor
6-9 PF from Michigan
7.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.8 minutes

Matt Barnes
6-7 SF from UCLA
3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 16.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +9.2 ppg, +8.2 rpg, and +2.4 apg.

Trade ID: 2651497

Posted by matt:

Frye probably is our best asset, but let's be serious now; this is Garnett. MVP. Him and Marbury would be sick. Easily makes us top 2 in the east imo

Nope. We need depth. Now, if we were talking about Frye for Duncan, then lets talk. But not Frye for KG.

How much does KG have left in the tank as a premier player? 3, maybe 4 years? If pressed to choose, I would choose sticking with the youth movement rather than making another 'all the chips on the table' move. I agree with Caseloads anyway that KG is not quite at the Duncan level. I don't think he would put us over the top and I wouldn't want to sell the future for the chance to count on his knees. Now, Lee, Nate, Ariza... those guys I would ship off if needed, no question. But not Frye.

That's the Knicks way, isn't it? To hell with the future, win now. Don't get me wrong, I love KG, and I'd love to see him on the team. If a deal involving Frye goes down, I'm okay with it, but I'd rather keep and watch the rookies that we have grow and develop. I'm not convinced that we know what their potential is.

I dunno. Even with LB, I would put that team's chances at beating the Spurs (cream of the crop) at maybe 1/4. I don't want to trade a guy who looks like he could be a great scorer and a fixture at PF for more than a decade for the chance to be underdogs in the Finals for a few years. The prospect of KG is intoxicating-- if we did trade Frye and other stuff for him I would be excited-- but sitting here in November, with my wits about me, I'd rather see us make the smart long term move for once. It looks like we may finally have our young frontcourt stud(s) of the future, some years after trading away Camby and a chance at Nene/Wilcox/Amare for a win now move that blew up in our face. Let's keep it that way and let them grow together. If we break up Frye and Curry, I want it to be for young guys in return, not for a short and dubious window at contention.

Posted by matt:

I still think trading Frye and others for Garnett is worth it, even with the risks. What if Frye gets hurt? Unless a player is extremely injury prone I wouldn't hold up a deal for it, especially for someone like KG

kg takes up 1/2 the cap and if we have to take wally in return, that's like 2/3rd of it. if frye gets hurt, it's only about $1-2 mil against it.