Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by SlimPack:
Well if you think about it alot of those coaches changed their philosophys after marbury was traded,

Could yopu be more specific? I'm not sure how flip or Skiles changed, and if you're thinking D'Antoni's style changed to more uptempo after Steph it's mainly because Steph and Hardaway refused to buy into that system. So rather than saying he changed I think it's more fair to say his style was thwarted by Steph (and others)

and also the reason he doesnt trust brown is becuase 1. the knicks are losing,

That was to be expected by most level headed analysts. And we should remember we were on the losing end of a season last year too, before LB. And we lost to LA even when Steph scored 45.

Point being, who's Steph to think he knows more about winning than Brown?

and 2. what larry brown is trying to do doesn't make any sense. a team doesnt need a pure PG to be successful, it doesn't make sense for larry to try and turn marbury into one when the team will obviously be much better off making more use of his natural talents.

I'm not sure about that. There have been teams who won with a pG as their leading scorer: Isiah, Magic, and clyde.

Magic was as pure as they come, in spite of being a great scorer.
Clyde wasn't nearly as gifted a PG as magic and stockton etc, but Red Holtzman had him playing in the Larry brown/Billups mold and it worked.
Isiah was often moved to the off-guard with Dumars playing the pure PG role.

so even the great scoring PGs played "the right way", what hasn't worked was guys dominating from the point to the exclusion of their teammates. Even the great oscar robertson couldn't do that, and he learned to make his teammates better.

Im starting to think that larry brown really is trying to manipulate zeke instead of win games.

To what end?

wow steph was the reason d'antoni didnt go uptempo two seasons ago in phoenix? i didnt know that, well when I made the comment about stephs coaches having changed their philosophies(spelled wrong cuase i suck at spelling) I had d'antoni and the fact that in his interview steph mentioned that he told byron scott should change the system in NJ, but he didnt listen, in mind. I origanally thought but now am not sure that byron has a different philosophy in new orleans, so i guess your right, the coaches were the same pre and post marbury so never mind about that. next, the reason why I said marbury doesnt trust brown becuase they are losing is becuase marbury was quoted as saying "If we lose, of course I'm not going to be happy playing like that," the article, to me, made is seem like marbury was only going to buy into browns system if it brought immediate victories. I know that it should be expected that the knicks would start out slow this year, in fact I predicted they would be 0-9 after this west coast swing. luckily I was wrong. and last but not least the end that I ment after saying the brown might be engaging in a power struggle with isiah is to..... I dont know, get a roster of smart playing veterans instead of the roster that isaih has assembled? the reason why I said that is because thats the rumor thats going around.







[Edited by - slimpack on 11-18-2005 1:43 PM]

[Edited by - slimpack on 11-18-2005 4:03 PM]

Posted by bobs3304:

also, about marbury being a "pure" PG...


it doesn't matter.


all that matters is that his scoring comes in the flow of the offense, which it never really has.

if you've watched him thoughout his career (and even now), it seems as if he's running a set play every time down the floor, when in fact he might actually be doing that only half the time. Steph's not comfortable freelancing plays and being a playmaker. That's not natural to him.

In addition to being clutch, can you LEARN how to be a playmaker?

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by bobs3304:

also, about marbury being a "pure" PG...


it doesn't matter.


all that matters is that his scoring comes in the flow of the offense, which it never really has.

if you've watched him thoughout his career (and even now), it seems as if he's running a set play every time down the floor, when in fact he might actually be doing that only half the time. Steph's not comfortable freelancing plays and being a playmaker. That's not natural to him.

In addition to being clutch, can you LEARN how to be a playmaker?

how the hell do you konw when he is running a set play or is freelancing?

And how do you know how he feels comfortable playing?

well you don't exactly have to be a phychic to see that marbury wasnt comfortable last night, for the most part, against the lakers in the larry brown type of PG position. to quote the man himself.
I got 10 assists, and that felt like that was the hardest 10 assists I ever got ... I mean, I don't feel like I really contributed.

[Edited by - slimpack on 11-18-2005 1:34 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

[quote]here's one little point tho...i think we can all see that steph is not a true leader. there may be one in our midst...frye? craw? who knows but as long as steph is around, that leader will have a tough time emerging. so hopefully we all make this a smooth transition and that steph gets to the SG and goes nuts.

Posted by rvhoss:

I don't recall him saying that was the problem.