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Bippity10
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10/26/2005  3:40 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

How does this affect the WNBA? I don't get it. You telling me a WNBA fan would get turned off because of a players sexuality?

In regards with female sports, I have a 12 year old daughter and I love watching the games she plays on. Competition is competition. In fact, I also have a 9 year old boy. While my son puts his all in every competition a lot of his teammates or opponents worry more about how they are going to celebrate or how they look. Girls put their heart and soul into every event.

You are right it doesn't affect the WNBA. Do you honestly think guys won't watch because they find out a female is a lesbian. Give me a break. All political correct nonsense aside the casual fan will not watch the WNBA because there are other options. They play great basketball. They are great players, but the lack of dunks and the inability to do things that the casual fan feels he can already do will drive players away. The casual fan does not caree about people shooting jumpshots. It's the same reason why most people don't tune into a high school game unless the top players are involved. The WNBA struggles because they don't have enough fans that enjoy their brand of basketball. If you don't have something to attract the casual fan you will not succeed. It's the same reason that the CBA and NBDL struggles to get people to watch. Unless you have the worlds greatest athletes you can't attract people to watch. End of story.

I'm sure if the WNBA fails the race and sex rioters will say it's a sexist thing. And the political correct sheep will follow. I have tremendous respect for the players. I've played against some of them and know how talented they are. That aside I find it very boring to watch. I am not alone. I could care less who is gay in the league. The stigma is not the same for females. This is goign to be blown out of proportion by the media, but the truth is men weren't watching anyway.


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10/26/2005  3:41 PM
To be honest I think guys would be more apt to watch if they found out the players were lesbians.
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10/26/2005  3:56 PM
This isn't a WNBA question, its her personal decision. It really hurt the careers of Ellen Degeneres and Rosie O'Donnell didn't it.

Many of the posters here who are less than tolerant are viewing her gender preference from a gay rather than lesbian perspective. I seriously doubt whether any other WNBA player will feel "threatened" by her coming out.

How many of you stopped watching ice skating because Scotty Hamilton was gay or diving beause of Brian Boitano (assuming you watched in the first place)

I think it has zero effect on the product. I for one never watched the WNBA to start with and my opinion hasn't or wouldn't have changed.
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10/26/2005  4:06 PM
Never said it was wrong. But someone could argue that sticking your weiner in someone's butt is a perversion of the way our species is designed to function.

Or someone's mouth I guess too. Is sodomy okay for the heterosexual? Is it what is being done or who is doing it?

I am not saying this is your point of view, but the point I quoted simply does not hold up under inspection.

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10/26/2005  4:20 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Allanfan20:
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And on to Solace's comment on gay marriage, where 2/3 think it should be banned. Most of those people say that for religious purposes, but I bet 99% of them had sex before marriage and commited countless other sins. Truth is, if you're going to use the bible as an excuse to display your displeasure towards homosexuality, then you have to by by what the rest of the bible says.



You don't have to believe in the Bible to argue that homosexuality is wrong.

So why is it wrong then?


[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 10-26-2005 2:18 PM]

Never said it was wrong. But someone could argue that sticking your weiner in someone's butt is a perversion of the way our species is designed to function.


thats what I believe but I still say if thats what they choose then fine its their lives. It has no effect on my life
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10/26/2005  4:25 PM
Personally, I don't like sticking my Dick in anyones ass! Looks good in porn, but the reality is another thing. Martin, I won't start a new poll!

So glad I got that off my chest!

The other question is that of the origin of homosexuality. Is it a genetic disposition or the christion "misalignment of the spirit"? I guess we can throw he environmental issues in also. I believe environment can play a role for women who get habitually raped by a father figure might dislike men so much they may seek comapanionship with another women. (I think a boy raped by an older women is just gonna brag to his friends and seek better puss-y, but will still have some issues and in need of couch time). The spirit misalignment thing I don't buy at all. Thats done to help raise money. I think the gene thing plays most. Some dudes are prone to having more chick genes than others.

Is the "Gay" gene hereditary? Know any one with gay running thru the family? IT happens. THink dudes that get sex change operations don't have some gentic predisposition to being a women? Or is that gay coach such an influence they want to convert their bodies?

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10/26/2005  4:27 PM
Posted by oohah:
Never said it was wrong. But someone could argue that sticking your weiner in someone's butt is a perversion of the way our species is designed to function.

Or someone's mouth I guess too. Is sodomy okay for the heterosexual? Is it what is being done or who is doing it?

I am not saying this is your point of view, but the point I quoted simply does not hold up under inspection.

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10/26/2005  5:09 PM
To be honest I think guys would be more apt to watch if they found out the players were lesbians.

U damn right. I'd start taping the games so I can slo mo the slaps on the boo-tay. So I can really see what's going on
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10/26/2005  5:33 PM
Posted by boomann:
To be honest I think guys would be more apt to watch if they found out the players were lesbians.

U damn right. I'd start taping the games so I can slo mo the slaps on the boo-tay. So I can really see what's going on

Booman I'm with you. You want to get a crowd to watch the games. Cut all players that aren't lesbians, make them all lesbians and when the play gets heated force them to grab pillows, slap each other and maybe make out a little bit.

Who is it that said lesbianism would drive people away?




[Edited by - Bippity10 on 10-26-2005 5:34 PM]
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10/26/2005  5:37 PM
We've entered an era where everyone has to like everything or else they will be considered a racist or a sexist or some kind of bigot. If I don't like the WNBA I'm a sexist. If Joe Blow white guy doesn't like the way Allan Iverson carries himself or Latrell's cornrow's he's a racist. If I rooted for Magic over Bird I'm a racist. People are crazy. Like what you want to like.
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10/26/2005  5:39 PM
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10/26/2005  5:41 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Swoopes comes out, so what! Good for her! I hope she is happier.

I agree. Its not like she's the first gay person ever. And I'm sure she is comfortable with herself and her decisions. It doesn't take away from her ability to play the sport and thats what counts right?

Its weird being the only girl here and hearing things like 99% of the WNBA are gay and how women can't play sports. ...welcome to year 2005. Get over yourselves. I'm on a female cricket team and I'm pretty damn good at my position. Does playing a sport make me gay? Does playing a sport make [your mom/sister/daughter] gay? And does being a girl mean I'm a crappy player? Or better yet...cuz I post on a mostly guy's forum it means I'm a butch basketball enthusiast right? Some people simply need to THINK more.


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10/26/2005  6:18 PM
Posted by MinsHeartsReezy:
Posted by Nalod:

Swoopes comes out, so what! Good for her! I hope she is happier.

I agree. Its not like she's the first gay person ever. And I'm sure she is comfortable with herself and her decisions. It doesn't take away from her ability to play the sport and thats what counts right?

Its weird being the only girl here and hearing things like 99% of the WNBA are gay and how women can't play sports. ...welcome to year 2005. Get over yourselves. I'm on a female cricket team and I'm pretty damn good at my position. Does playing a sport make me gay? Does playing a sport make [your mom/sister/daughter] gay? And does being a girl mean I'm a crappy player? Or better yet...cuz I post on a mostly guy's forum it means I'm a butch basketball enthusiast right? Some people simply need to THINK more.

The 99% quote was hilarious, honestly.
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10/26/2005  8:27 PM


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10/26/2005  8:33 PM
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10/26/2005  8:43 PM
Posted by Knight:
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Let me ask you this: would you let your son play for a basketball coach and his assistants and with some players that you knew were homosexual?
yes... why wouldnt I?


Because your son may be at a vulnerable age and you are careful about who you want to be a major influence on him. And you don't want the coach eyeballing your son in the shower room...


Your son is at less risk from an openly gay coach than he is at risk from a closeted pedophile.
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10/26/2005  8:54 PM
oh you guys . . .

this is a serious topic to me because so many people have been caused so much suffering in their lives over their sexuality.

at the same time, some of these posts are so damned funny i just love the s**t out of them!

all right, so my own personal unsubstantiated views -

i do believe that the majority of gay people have a genetic predisposition. a very close friend of mine said that as he looked back over his life he realized he was gay from as early as he could remember. his earliest memory? when he and his buddies made a tree house together at age 5 he immediately volunteered to go make curtains for it! true story!

as far as the "coach' issue, i would be so fine with either my son or daughter having a gay coach, assistant, teammate, you name it. i think that most people who live openly out have done so much soul-searching and deep thinking about who they are and what they stand for that they're a lot less liable than the rest of us to have to act out and victimize someone else. i think if you look at the cases with catholic priests these guys are deeply confused and repressed about their sexuality and i think the majority of abuses with coaches are guys leading straight lives who again haven't dealt with and are unresolved about their conflicts over their feelings and yearnings.

i say kudos and best wishes for happiness to sheryl swoopes. honesty and courage come way before concerns over the fiscal well-being of the wnba. there will be plenty of kids whose lives will be impacted for the better by her example.
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10/26/2005  10:20 PM
Posted by MinsHeartsReezy:
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Swoopes comes out, so what! Good for her! I hope she is happier.

I agree. Its not like she's the first gay person ever. And I'm sure she is comfortable with herself and her decisions. It doesn't take away from her ability to play the sport and thats what counts right?

Its weird being the only girl here and hearing things like 99% of the WNBA are gay and how women can't play sports. ...welcome to year 2005. Get over yourselves. I'm on a female cricket team and I'm pretty damn good at my position. Does playing a sport make me gay? Does playing a sport make [your mom/sister/daughter] gay? And does being a girl mean I'm a crappy player? Or better yet...cuz I post on a mostly guy's forum it means I'm a butch basketball enthusiast right? Some people simply need to THINK more.


That's the point I was trying to make. Everyone is joking but anytime you joke about a situation like this it gets blown out of proportion. These women can play basketball. They are very good at what they do. Some of the players are actually more basketball talented, and well rounded than there male counterparts. But that doesn't make it exciting to watch for the casual fan. The "casual fan" wants dunks and high flying action. I personally don't like watching the WNBA. It's just not exciting to me. I've tried, I've been to the games but I just don't like it. I've been called sexist because I don't want to watch it. That's ridiculous. I don't like Horse racing does that mean I am biased against short people. I don't watch hockey does that mean I hate ice?

As for Cheryl Swoopes coming out. Once again a non issue is being turned into an issue. Ask people in your office, random people on the street and 90% of them will say they don't care. The other 10% will be guys that just want to see the lesbians get naked and make out!

As for your game and you being a female athlete. There are still a lot of people that disrespect women and their game. But the majority of people don't. They have much respect for the women's game as you can see by the ratings for the Women's Olympic team. But until you can put a consistent product like that on the floor, noone is going to watch. Learn to laugh at yourself, most people on this post were joking.
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10/26/2005  10:27 PM
Anyway, back to the important stuff: Which WNBA player would you most like to see making out with Cheryl Swoopes?
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10/26/2005  10:44 PM
Hurray for Swoopes!

She's a bitch'n playa and a brave woman.

And, of course, she's going to take a lot of **** about this.

I'm hoping she gets a standing ovation at MSG the next time she's here. It will not make up for people ragging on her but it might help a bit.

There's more to life than just basketball. I can't image having to hide being queer all the time. It can't be healthy.

Now, all we need is, say, Patrick to mention he's got a boyfriend and everyone might relax a bit.
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