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Bonn1997
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Who's our best PG
Stephon Marbury
Jamal Crawford
Nate Robinson
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10/23/2005  1:33 PM
btw nyk 4eva

Brand was only there Crawford's rookie season.

He played only 23 games with Miller and Artest (his entire career - they were traded later that season to Indy for Jalen Rose) b/4 getting hurt but his 01-02 numbers were quite impressive:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jamal_crawford/index.html

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10/23/2005  1:35 PM
Posted by McK1:

btw nyk 4eva

Brand was only there Crawford's rookie season.

He played only 23 games with Miller and Artest (his entire career - they were traded later that season to Indy for Jalen Rose) b/4 getting hurt but his 01-02 numbers were quite impressive:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jamal_crawford/index.html


That 2.4 to 1.4 A/TO ratio is outstanding.
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10/23/2005  1:35 PM
nyk4ever. i dont think its worth arguing with McK1 about Stephon. You are not going to convince him.
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10/23/2005  1:37 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

nyk4ever. i dont think its worth arguing with McK1 about Stephon. You are not going to convince him.


Yeah, I suppose I'm not. It's interesting though, I like to see and I value everyone's opinion whether I agree with them or not. I find McK1 to be very knowledgable, we just disagree on this topic.
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10/23/2005  1:46 PM
if thats all you saw. listen to silverfuel.

heres something interesting

Steph's career play-off no.s:

36.5 % fg vs career reg season avg of 43.5%; 27.6% from 3 vs 32% reg season; 72.5% vs 79.1%; 6.7 assts vs 8.3; 3.2 TO's vs 3.56 post season; 20.4 vs 19.6 ppg. When the pressure is on HIS NUMBERS DROP.

He is not big time.
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10/23/2005  1:47 PM
Posted by McK1:

if thats all you saw. listen to silverfuel.

heres something interesting

Steph's career play-off no.s:

36.5 % fg vs career reg season avg of 43.5%; 27.6% from 3 vs 32% reg season; 72.5% vs 79.1%; 6.7 assts vs 8.3; 3.2 TO's vs 3.56 post season; 20.4 vs 19.6 ppg. When the pressure is on HIS NUMBERS DROP.

He is not big time.


I guess he wasnt big-time when he hit the game-winner against the Spurs in the playoffs or in the Olympics when he won the game by himself?

And wheres Jamal, he's never even been the playoffs, even when playing with the likes of Chandler, Curry. It's funny, the year after he leaves the Bulls go from perennial loser into the playoffs. Yes sounds alot like Stephon but I'm just trying to make a point.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-23-2005 1:49 PM]
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10/23/2005  1:50 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by McK1:

if thats all you saw. listen to silverfuel.

heres something interesting

Steph's career play-off no.s:

36.5 % fg vs career reg season avg of 43.5%; 27.6% from 3 vs 32% reg season; 72.5% vs 79.1%; 6.7 assts vs 8.3; 3.2 TO's vs 3.56 post season; 20.4 vs 19.6 ppg. When the pressure is on HIS NUMBERS DROP.

He is not big time.


I guess he wasnt big-time when he hit the game-winner against the Spurs in the playoffs or in the Olympics when he won the game by himself?

how many times are people going to bring up that lucky @$$ heave.
his 1 outstanding game out of 10 came with LB moving him to shooting guard. [lightbulb]


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10/23/2005  1:54 PM
Posted by McK1:


how many times are people going to bring up that lucky @$$ heave.


See this is where you begin to lose me. He makes a shot and you deem it a luck ass heave. This is where it is utterly obvious your a Marbury-Hater.

And yes Marbury was a SG on an olympic team that also consisted of Lebron James, Allen Iverson, Dwayne Wade. Marbury can play SG next to Lebron and Wade ANYDAY on my team.
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10/23/2005  2:12 PM
NO he is not. Find me an article quote or refence any coach or GM has ever made regarding Steph as a TOP 5 point and then I'll believe you.

Why do you need an article etc. as proof? Those guys don't know %$&^%$! Forget them.

Where do you rank Stephon Marbury at his position?

Who are your top 5 point guards?

Who are your top 5 shooting guards?

I am more interested in that.

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Since Stephon joined the Nets, I have considered him to be a short shooting guard with better point guard skills than just about anyone. This dooms him to be a point guard becuase he will almost certainly be the best able to play point guard on any given team. PG is a tougher position to fill well than SG. Add to that his size, and point guard seems like the logical slot for Marbury.

Here are some players I have seen called point guard on this thread who definitely are not: Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas. Sometimes a player is pigeonholed because of his height. Height differential is much more important on defense. Shortest shooting guard on record? Calvin Murphy, 5'9", Hall of Famer.

I wouldn't mind making Marbury the shooting guard, but the player at PG has to be a pretty good PG first, and I don't think JC is there yet.

oohah


[Edited by - oohah on 10-23-2005 2:14 PM]
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10/23/2005  2:16 PM
Posted by oohah:
NO he is not. Find me an article quote or refence any coach or GM has ever made regarding Steph as a TOP 5 point and then I'll believe you.

Why do you need an article etc. as proof? Those guys don't know %$&^%$! Forget them.

Where do you rank Stephon Marbury at his position?

Who are your top 5 point guards?

Who are your top 5 shooting guards?

I am more interested in that.

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Since Stephon joined the Nets, I have considered him to be a short shooting guard with better point guard skills than just about anyone. This dooms him to be a point guard becuase he will almost certainly be the best able to play point guard on any given team. PG is a tougher position to fill well than SG. Add to that his size, and point guard seems like the logical slot for Marbury.

Here are some players I have seen called point guard on this thread who definitely are not: Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas. Sometimes a player is pigeonholed because of his height. Height differential is much more important on defense. Shortest shooting guard on record? Calvin Murphy, 5'9", Hall of Famer.

I wouldn't mind making Marbury the shooting guard, but the player at PG has to be a pretty good PG first, and I don't think JC is there yet.

oohah


[Edited by - oohah on 10-23-2005 2:14 PM]


Good post oohah. I agree 100%, I have no problem moving Marbury to SG as long as the guy replacing him at PG is a better PG then Marbury is and JC is not that at all.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-23-2005 2:25 PM]
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10/23/2005  2:28 PM
Good post oohah. I agree 100%, I have no problem moving Marbury to SG as long as the guy replacing him at PG is a better PG then Marbury is and JC is not that at all.

To me the replacement PG doesn't have to better, because that is a pretty tall order. But he would have to be pretty damn good.

oohah

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10/23/2005  2:33 PM
Posted by oohah:
Good post oohah. I agree 100%, I have no problem moving Marbury to SG as long as the guy replacing him at PG is a better PG then Marbury is and JC is not that at all.

To me the replacement PG doesn't have to better, because that is a pretty tall order. But he would have to be pretty damn good.

oohah

If the PG isn't a better PG then whats the point of moving Stephon in the first place, especially when we have someone like Quentin Richardson to play SG and Trevor Ariza SF.


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Where do you rank Stephon Marbury at his position?

Who are your top 5 point guards?

Who are your top 5 shooting guards?

I am more interested in that.

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my top 8 pgs:
Kidd
Nash
Bibby
Davis
Billups*
Cassell (when healthy)
Tinsley (when healthy)
3 way tie for 8th - Parker Marbury Arenas

my top 8 sgs:
Kobe
T-Mac
Carter
Wade
Pierce
AI
Ginobli
Hamilton

Steph if moved could be better at the position than Rip.

Craw if moved to point could be betterthan both Cassell and Tinsley by season's end

* people will try and compare Steph to Chauncey but playing defense, displaying character and leadership were never problems of Billups, he just needed his decision making capabilities tweaked.
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10/23/2005  2:51 PM
how is Baron Davis a better PG than Marbury?! have you seen Davis play in new orleans! He takes terrible shots and tries to do it all himself and shoots under 40%!

I would take Davis completely off that list and put Marbury ahead of Cassell & Tinsley

So yeah Craw has a lot to prove before he takes Marbury's PG job. Craw needs to get the ball in the hands of someone who can score with the game on the line as a PG and not hoist up off-balanced airball bombs like he's done his entire career
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10/23/2005  2:55 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by oohah:
Good post oohah. I agree 100%, I have no problem moving Marbury to SG as long as the guy replacing him at PG is a better PG then Marbury is and JC is not that at all.

To me the replacement PG doesn't have to better, because that is a pretty tall order. But he would have to be pretty damn good.

oohah

If the PG isn't a better PG then whats the point of moving Stephon in the first place, especially when we have someone like Quentin Richardson to play SG and Trevor Ariza SF.

if you have a point playing next to a guy with the penetrating and scoring acumen of Steph, he doesn't have to be all world. He has to know the playbook and make sure people are positioned correctly and guys are getting the ball in the right place. And with the talent on this team in the front court ensure they eat on the blocks and under the rim and not be turned into more Kurt Thomases/Michael Doleacs by Stephon.
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Posted by gunsnewing:

how is Baron Davis a better PG than Marbury?! have you seen Davis play in new orleans! He takes terrible shots and tries to do it all himself and shoots under 40%!

I would take Davis completely off that list and put Marbury ahead of Cassell & Tinsley

So yeah Craw has a lot to prove before he takes Marbury's PG job. Craw needs to get the ball in the hands of someone who can score with the game on the line as a PG and not hoist up off-balanced airball bombs like he's done his entire career


Davis is a better floor leader. Yeah he gets trigger happy and hoists dumb 3's but when it comes
to orchestrating he is a vocal leader who gets guys where thy are supposed to go whether he is on the ball or off it. Plus when he penetrates he is a nifty interior passer and he isn't allergic to defense as well. Tinsley and Cassell also know how to run an offense and a team. Tinsley just can't shoot. Switch Steph with Tinsley and the Pacers would've been an excuse filled lottery squad. He was a big part in holding those guys together with his floor leadership.
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10/23/2005  3:20 PM
mck1..you're full of ****. You don't have marbury in your top 8 sg or pg, but every article you use for support has him top 5 in one or the other.

Go to hell.

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10/23/2005  3:25 PM
calm down Steph-lover.

he was top 5 on the SI FANTASY 2 guard list.



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If the PG isn't a better PG then whats the point of moving Stephon in the first place, especially when we have someone like Quentin Richardson to play SG and Trevor Ariza SF.

It all depends on the best fit. You want the to have the best players possible at every position. For instance, if somehow Mike Bibby were playing point and Steph was moved to SG, bring Q or JC off the bench. Marbury is just better than Q or JC, as is Bibby.
my top 8 pgs:
Kidd
Nash
Bibby
Davis
Billups*
Cassell (when healthy)
Tinsley (when healthy)
3 way tie for 8th - Parker Marbury Arenas

You have Cassell and Tinsley ahead of Marbury? Ridiculous. You consider Bibby the number 3 PG in the league? Bibby is a nice player, but what has he done in 'career moments' or on a day-to-day basis better than Marbury? Nothing. Don't let one good playoff series fool you.

You are obviously going out of your way to put Marbury low.
my top 8 sgs:
Kobe
T-Mac
Carter
Wade
Pierce
AI
Ginobli
Hamilton

Your SG rankings make much more sense.
Steph if moved could be better at the position than Rip.

Stephon Marbury is better at any position than Hamilton, PG through Center. Marbury is simply a better player. He brings much more to the table. Come on.
* people will try and compare Steph to Chauncey but playing defense, displaying character and leadership were never problems of Billups, he just needed his decision making capabilities tweaked.

Have you watched Billup's career? Do you know how many teams gave up on him? The only possible way to rank Billups ahead of Marbury is to only look at the past 2 seasons, where Marbury was still statistically better, but Billups was much more successful at winning.

While I'm at it, what has Baron Davis done in his career besides accumulate stats? Or Sam Cassell? How about Steve Nash, he was MVP last year, but prior to that, I saw nothing to make him better than Marbury.

The only player from your list who has clearly had a better career than Marbury is Kidd, and you can add Nash if you take into account he is at his peak right now.

oohah

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10/23/2005  4:23 PM
bibby is deadly. you can't compared marbury to bibby by comparing stats. bibby is a big game player and deadly clutch shooter and plays defense
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