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10/2/2005  5:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


Im with ya, Im on the Curry bandwagon here--ill do it right now lee sweetney and thomas--im willing to take a risk and shake it up--i agree with you, i know that stress echo's used with injected dye and MRI imaging show the left ventricle wall and blood flow at maximum heart beat--we can say dna till the cows come home, but if he is testing at a normal blood flow at maximum output and his walls are moving normally, its going to be a normal stress test --in fact I see plausible scenarios where if he goes through a year with no problems and does some retesting--im sure insurance can become available again.
we dont need 40 min a night from curry--we need a hard 26

As I have said, I would make the trade, but it carries a significant risk. The human body is not static. Physiological changes are continually taking place. Only a DNA test can predict what the interaction of genetics and environmental stresses can cause.
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10/2/2005  5:43 PM
There are going to be lots of concerns with curry's contract. I think curry's representatives need to be pushed a little. They need to be forced to sign a contract worth $70 million ONLY WITH INCENTIVES activated. If curry does poorly or has problems, he should not be paid whatever 10+ million a year that he wants. It's not fair to the bulls or knicks that curry is hovering with this sudden power over nba franchises. I don't believe many teams would sign him to a 70+ million deal guaranteed money right now.
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10/2/2005  6:10 PM
Us making this deal purely depends on Curry's health and contract.

If Curry is 100% healthy, it's a very good deal. If Curry isn't, Fishmike is right, it's a lame deal. I'm with Briggs on in saying that the Knicks wouldn't do something so dumb as to know more background on Curry's condition before making a move... although this is the Knicks, so I wouldn't put any sort of ignorance past them. :p
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10/2/2005  6:17 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Rasheed is a 15/7/1.20 PF and lots of people were killing themselves to get him. Its not a stretch to imagine Curry being better than that. This is what IT is seeing and we should trust him on this.

Let's not go too overboard. Sheed, for all his faults, is a VERY good player. Three point range. Post up. Face the basket. GREAT help defender. Blocks shots. Blocks out. Communicates well on the court. Plays hurt. Stays in shape. Head case.

Curry hasn't shown too much of the above.
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10/2/2005  6:23 PM
Posted by Knick2001:

"where there's smoke, there's fire. there's a deal in place, and we're on to the last minute details - just like with crawford."

Didn't it look we were in line to get Kwame before the Lakers made a deal. I just think Paxson will not deal him to the Knicks even if it means taking less talent from another team or just sign him to the qualifying offer.


nah, never got to that point with kwame. paxson has said the knicks made offers. washington never confirmed that. this is just like the jamal situation all over again.

it's funny, i made two posts on this thread that say pretty much two opposite things. but inbetween the posts, i read the things people were saying here and i talked to another friend of mine on the phone and i'm more in line to believe that the knicks wouldn't bring curry in unless he was healthy. and i seperated being a fan of sweetney's to being a fan of the team and yes, curry is worth the risk if he's healthy. i guess time will tell. they really don't need tim or lee. so an optimal deal from us would be penny + sweets + #1. we may have to swap the #1 with ariza so we may have to end up giving up sweets AND ariza for curry. wow - that's a lot but it may have to be the type of risk we have to take to get a center that has skills. and if we make a trade for curry, then now is the time to do it b/c we have a great coach in place that will make him better.
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10/2/2005  6:24 PM
Posted by teslawlo:

There are going to be lots of concerns with curry's contract. I think curry's representatives need to be pushed a little. They need to be forced to sign a contract worth $70 million ONLY WITH INCENTIVES activated. If curry does poorly or has problems, he should not be paid whatever 10+ million a year that he wants. It's not fair to the bulls or knicks that curry is hovering with this sudden power over nba franchises. I don't believe many teams would sign him to a 70+ million deal guaranteed money right now.

This is exactly the kind of contract that is rumored to have been offered. Guanteed $40 mil and up to $70 with incentives.

For those who are still concerned with DNA tests, I think that you'd have to know what causd the heart problem in the first place. Its most likely not congenital disorder. I think that it had to do with his taking supplements in order to loose weight. I had a heart problem that was only temporary and it had to do with my taking a drug that had Ephedra in it. I was at risk because I have High Blood pressure and High Cholesterol. It seems like Curry could easily be in a similar set of health risks.


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10/2/2005  6:36 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by nixluva:

Rasheed is a 15/7/1.20 PF and lots of people were killing themselves to get him. Its not a stretch to imagine Curry being better than that. This is what IT is seeing and we should trust him on this.

Let's not go too overboard. Sheed, for all his faults, is a VERY good player. Three point range. Post up. Face the basket. GREAT help defender. Blocks shots. Blocks out. Communicates well on the court. Plays hurt. Stays in shape. Head case.

Curry hasn't shown too much of the above.

I know what kind of player Sheed is, I'm just saying that from a pure production stand point Curry could exceed Sheeds numbers and be a higher FG% player. He's not as slightly built and doesn't play away from the basket nor should he. Sheed shouldn't even really be out at the 3 pt line, but since he can he does. Look every player comes with his own set of intangibles. Curry's aren't the same as Sheeds, but they can be just as efffective. Curry can simply wearout a teams Frontcourt, if he's fed the ball consistently. That is a very big plus. Curry can be a VERY important part of this team if he continues to improve.


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10/2/2005  7:14 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by nixluva:

Rasheed is a 15/7/1.20 PF and lots of people were killing themselves to get him. Its not a stretch to imagine Curry being better than that. This is what IT is seeing and we should trust him on this.

Let's not go too overboard. Sheed, for all his faults, is a VERY good player. Three point range. Post up. Face the basket. GREAT help defender. Blocks shots. Blocks out. Communicates well on the court. Plays hurt. Stays in shape. Head case.

Curry hasn't shown too much of the above.
man.... GREAT points top to bottom. Add to the fact that the first time Curry ever came into camp in shape was a contract year.


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10/2/2005  8:00 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by martin:
Posted by nixluva:

Rasheed is a 15/7/1.20 PF and lots of people were killing themselves to get him. Its not a stretch to imagine Curry being better than that. This is what IT is seeing and we should trust him on this.

Let's not go too overboard. Sheed, for all his faults, is a VERY good player. Three point range. Post up. Face the basket. GREAT help defender. Blocks shots. Blocks out. Communicates well on the court. Plays hurt. Stays in shape. Head case.

Curry hasn't shown too much of the above.
man.... GREAT points top to bottom. Add to the fact that the first time Curry ever came into camp in shape was a contract year.

You have to also take into consideration that Sheed at least went to College and played in a top program. Curry is and was much more raw. He's so young that i'm not that concerned that he hasn't yet showed any of those things. Its not inconceivable that he's eventually going to mature and can one day soon start to put things together. For all we know that could have already begun to happen. Sheed was also quite a big disttraction for much of his career and his maturity wasn't always what it should be. Its not like Currry is some talentless scrub.

His game needs to improve on D and rebounding, but with his physical ability its really a matter of desire and focus and I think LB can get thru to him and get him to where he needs to be. If Currry does put it all together, he can be a much more dominant inside force than Sheed and that is what IT is looking at.


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10/2/2005  9:51 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by martin:
Posted by nixluva:

Rasheed is a 15/7/1.20 PF and lots of people were killing themselves to get him. Its not a stretch to imagine Curry being better than that. This is what IT is seeing and we should trust him on this.

Let's not go too overboard. Sheed, for all his faults, is a VERY good player. Three point range. Post up. Face the basket. GREAT help defender. Blocks shots. Blocks out. Communicates well on the court. Plays hurt. Stays in shape. Head case.

Curry hasn't shown too much of the above.
man.... GREAT points top to bottom. Add to the fact that the first time Curry ever came into camp in shape was a contract year.
At age 22, Rasheed averaged 15.1, 6.8, and 0.95 in 31 mpg. At the same age, Curry avereaged 16.1, 5.4, 0.92 in 29 mpg. Maybe Rasheed played better defense; I don't remember him from back then but everything else looks equal.



[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 10-02-2005 9:52 PM]
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10/2/2005  11:09 PM
I don't want to give up Lee.
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10/2/2005  11:10 PM
I don't know much about curry, but I know alot about lee.
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10/3/2005  1:13 AM
i missed out on a lot of the curry discussion over the weekend. but i really do want to throw in my 2 cents here.

i want nothing to do with curry, even if he does have a clean bill of health, something we won't find out before we have to make the deal (last i heard, today- Monday). i can't stand his one-dimensional game and his attitude, these are not things that i see changing with us at all. no one else wants him, not even chicago. same thing with JJ, why do we put so much stock and faith in players when no one else in the entire NBA fan base does?

the team we currently have, IMO, was ready to compete. not for a championship, but for a spot in the playoffs with a shot at giving someone a run for their money in the first round. modest goals, but reason to hope. we will have plenty of internal improvement if we stand pat: sweetney, ariza, frye, nate, lee, hopefully guys like crawford and JJ stepping up under quality coaching. lateral or simple moves could do wonders for us. since 1999, we've had teams that have underperformed our expectations. i finally thought that we had a team that would make the playoffs, give someone a good fight, and have plenty of room to get better automatically. what we give up if we trade for curry is not just young, cheap, talent with good upside and some spare trading chips. our team becomes the eddy curry experiment. the eddy curry experiment was a failure in chicago. if he was so integral to their playoff run, why is he getting run out of town? no one wants him there. if we lowball him and get him for 3 years, that's bad enough. for three years our fate depends on his performance. six years is setting ourselves up for disaster. it's like relying on allan houston's knee, or herb or lenny's coaching, or crawford to play 40 minutes a night as your SG but not chuck bad shots. it will not work out well, saying we'll contend IF curry gets his **** together and works hard and improves his game and is healthy and in good shape and plays D and works on the boards. our team will be in the same purgatory it's been in since scott layden, a mediocre lottery team not bad enough to score big in the draft. i have had enough of that crap. we are so close to a solid team, a core we could bank on for years with a few reasonable additions, and we're going to throw it away to chase an overhyped, walking question mark with a bad ticker. it has disaster written all over it. IMO.

i'm not interested in a big debate on this. the overwhelming consensus seems to be curry will save our collective ass. respond if you like, but i don't plan to respond; i stand by everything i said, and more i don't have the energy to put. just think about what i have to say.

P.S. curry is no rasheed wallace. intangibles, folks. things that don't show up in stats. sheed's a mixed bag, but has been great for detroit. curry is a pile of bad ones.
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10/3/2005  1:16 AM
deal is stalled right now over chicago wanting lee versus our offer of 1st and 2nd round picks

my opinion--if you like curry that much---give them lee and keep the picks. lee has very litle chance at playing time this year--we have malik rose signed, you never know what could happen to tim duncan--if he gets hurt like he did towards the end of last year--i mean we could end up with a 14-18 pick if thimngs go somewhat foul for the spurs and it could happen--let lee go and lets be patient with the pick
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10/3/2005  1:34 AM
I don't think we should include Lee or a first rounder. Sweetney and TT plus a second rounder is a lot of value. Sweetney is young and going to get better, TT will be one of the biggest trading chips due to his large contract. A second rounder is a second rounder.

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10/3/2005  1:36 AM
Posted by Masterplan:

i missed out on a lot of the curry discussion over the weekend. but i really do want to throw in my 2 cents here.

i want nothing to do with curry, even if he does have a clean bill of health, something we won't find out before we have to make the deal (last i heard, today- Monday). i can't stand his one-dimensional game and his attitude, these are not things that i see changing with us at all. no one else wants him, not even chicago. same thing with JJ, why do we put so much stock and faith in players when no one else in the entire NBA fan base does?

the team we currently have, IMO, was ready to compete. not for a championship, but for a spot in the playoffs with a shot at giving someone a run for their money in the first round. modest goals, but reason to hope. we will have plenty of internal improvement if we stand pat: sweetney, ariza, frye, nate, lee, hopefully guys like crawford and JJ stepping up under quality coaching. lateral or simple moves could do wonders for us. since 1999, we've had teams that have underperformed our expectations. i finally thought that we had a team that would make the playoffs, give someone a good fight, and have plenty of room to get better automatically. what we give up if we trade for curry is not just young, cheap, talent with good upside and some spare trading chips. our team becomes the eddy curry experiment. the eddy curry experiment was a failure in chicago. if he was so integral to their playoff run, why is he getting run out of town? no one wants him there. if we lowball him and get him for 3 years, that's bad enough. for three years our fate depends on his performance. six years is setting ourselves up for disaster. it's like relying on allan houston's knee, or herb or lenny's coaching, or crawford to play 40 minutes a night as your SG but not chuck bad shots. it will not work out well, saying we'll contend IF curry gets his **** together and works hard and improves his game and is healthy and in good shape and plays D and works on the boards. our team will be in the same purgatory it's been in since scott layden, a mediocre lottery team not bad enough to score big in the draft. i have had enough of that crap. we are so close to a solid team, a core we could bank on for years with a few reasonable additions, and we're going to throw it away to chase an overhyped, walking question mark with a bad ticker. it has disaster written all over it. IMO.

i'm not interested in a big debate on this. the overwhelming consensus seems to be curry will save our collective ass. respond if you like, but i don't plan to respond; i stand by everything i said, and more i don't have the energy to put. just think about what i have to say.

P.S. curry is no rasheed wallace. intangibles, folks. things that don't show up in stats. sheed's a mixed bag, but has been great for detroit. curry is a pile of bad ones.


I agree with quite a few points here. Curry is not the player we need - he is mislabeled as a "true" center and thats where the deception starts. A lot of things fly under the radar with this guy - he picks up a lousy 5 boards a game and gets close to 0 blocks. If this is a "true" center, I'd much prefer the fake version (i.e. KT). Consider his blatant lack of defense and low B-ball IQ and I'm not sure if we have a baskeball player or a lard ball that we can barely plant in front of the basket for 15 minutes per game. Any deal with Chicago must include Chandler - or I'll gladly pass.
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10/3/2005  6:57 AM
I would give them Lee, Tim Thomas and a 1st round pick. I want to keep Sweetney.
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10/3/2005  7:33 AM
The hell with this deal. Curry is still unproven. If we are going to trade anyone, it will have to be: one of our bad contracts (Mo T or Malik) a draft pick and Penny. I know that you are all crazy about Curry, but IMO he is too much of a liability.
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10/3/2005  8:36 AM
Now, if this unfold as it is advertized in this article, I would execute this deal in a heat beat. However, Paxon has to take one of our bad contracts. Penny and Malik and draft picks, or TT and MO T. and draft pick. I would give them Lee only if they agree to take one of our bad contracts ( Mo, Malik, Penny, or TT)


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10/3/2005  9:13 AM
well according to this article posted at 930PM, it *appears* as if

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