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Killa4luv
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8/24/2005  2:20 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

I cannot believe this is a debate.


UNREAL! Some guys don't get it.

22/13/6/1.4/1.3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He'll be 30 next year, WTF!!!!
He lead the league in rebouds!!
In the past 6 seasons he missed 3 games!!!!!
He's top 20 in points, assists, steals, free throws, etc.

His contract is large and it damn well should be, he expires in 08/09 when he'll be 32!!!!
Steph expires at the same time, thats like 44 million dollars!!!!!!!

Whoever doesn't want KG until he's 32 (08/09)is an idiot, period.
Once again, there is no counter argument.
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8/24/2005  2:26 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
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This will never happen. And if it did somehow happen, this team still wouldn't be better than Indiana, Detroit and Miami - and that's just the East.


no one is better than shaq. but shaq gets frozen out of the offense constantly in Miami (and previously with the Lakes).

Detroit is not better than the Knicks if the Knicks get KG. KG/Marbs/Q/Craw/Frye/Sweets/JJ/Rose/Nate Rob being coached by LB beats Detroit's Wallace B/Wallace R/Rip/Chauncy/Prince/DD/Dice/Hunter/Darko being coached by Flip "Game over" Saunders.

so now we're blaming Flip Saunders for Minnie's failures, but KG is invincible? No. KG is overrated, fellas.

Spree got to three conference Finals. Cassell got to four. The fact that KG was along for the ride on one of them doesn't make KG a superstar. KG couldn't beat Dirk, couldn't even make it close. Couldn't beat Duncan.

I admit, it'd be fun to have KG and Marbs here. It'd be a fun three years. But there wouldn't be any championships. I'd rather have a fun ten years with Ariza/Nate/Frye and not have to deal with the biggest prima donna this side of Kobe.

Anyone who thinks KG and Marbs would beat Artest/JO/Tinsely/Granger/Sjax/Saurnas and the rest of Indy's depth is nuts. JJ is not a passable starting center. Anyone who thinks that Minnesota trade would happen without giving up Frye/Nate/Ariza/Lee is equally nuts. Sorry, I'm not morgaging the future for a wimpy prima donna who's afraid to play center.
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8/24/2005  2:31 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Silverfuel:

I cannot believe this is a debate.


Me either. KG is a once-in-a-lifetime talent and if you have the ability to get him
I agree with you about the deal being a no-brainer, but I think it's an exaggeration to call him a once in a lifetime talent. In the '90s, three players were drafted who have dominated the league (KG, Duncan, Garnett). It's too early to know what guys this decade will do but I wouldn't be surprised if Dwight Howard and Lebron are this decades version of those three. KG is probably more of a "once every 3 to 4 years" type of talent.
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8/24/2005  2:43 PM
would anyone take KG over Amare?
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8/24/2005  2:57 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I admit, it'd be fun to have KG and Marbs here. It'd be a fun three years. But there wouldn't be any championships. I'd rather have a fun ten years with Ariza/Nate/Frye and not have to deal with the biggest prima donna this side of Kobe.


so you'd rather have 3 role players rather than one of the top players in the league(and still will be in 3 yrs barring a serious injury of course)?
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8/24/2005  2:58 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

would anyone take KG over Amare?


that would be tough... but you were saying garnett has attitude problems, amare is just the same if not worse.
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8/24/2005  3:00 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

would anyone take KG over Amare?

To be perfectly honest, yes I would. I haven't seen Amare display any interest in playing defense and this game is won by the players/teams that play both sides of the ball (Duncan/Sheed/Ben Wallace)(Spurs/Pistons) and Amare hasn't shown me that yet. As of right now, Yes I'd take KG over Amare.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-24-2005 3:01 PM]
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8/24/2005  3:08 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by crzymdups:

This will never happen. And if it did somehow happen, this team still wouldn't be better than Indiana, Detroit and Miami - and that's just the East.


no one is better than shaq. but shaq gets frozen out of the offense constantly in Miami (and previously with the Lakes).

Detroit is not better than the Knicks if the Knicks get KG. KG/Marbs/Q/Craw/Frye/Sweets/JJ/Rose/Nate Rob being coached by LB beats Detroit's Wallace B/Wallace R/Rip/Chauncy/Prince/DD/Dice/Hunter/Darko being coached by Flip "Game over" Saunders.

so now we're blaming Flip Saunders for Minnie's failures, but KG is invincible? No. KG is overrated, fellas.

Spree got to three conference Finals. Cassell got to four. The fact that KG was along for the ride on one of them doesn't make KG a superstar. KG couldn't beat Dirk, couldn't even make it close. Couldn't beat Duncan.

I admit, it'd be fun to have KG and Marbs here. It'd be a fun three years. But there wouldn't be any championships. I'd rather have a fun ten years with Ariza/Nate/Frye and not have to deal with the biggest prima donna this side of Kobe.

Anyone who thinks KG and Marbs would beat Artest/JO/Tinsely/Granger/Sjax/Saurnas and the rest of Indy's depth is nuts. JJ is not a passable starting center. Anyone who thinks that Minnesota trade would happen without giving up Frye/Nate/Ariza/Lee is equally nuts. Sorry, I'm not morgaging the future for a wimpy prima donna who's afraid to play center.


I mentioned this before, Dirk ate KG's lunch, to me that was almost a defining moment in his career, I thought that beating dallas back than would have propelled him to new heights, instead he gets punked by dirk. I like KG, don't get me wrong, but I wish people stop overrating this guy... Actually it would be great to trade for KG, and then watch people around here talk about how much better amare and Dwight howard are....

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8/24/2005  3:12 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

The Knicks are the only team that can trade for KG and Wally and still have a stacked team. The Knicks would have plenty of players still available to fal back on if KG were to finally show signs of injury concern.

The sooner Minnesota goes through with the trade the better. The Knicks have plenty of future draft picks.....the Knicks have solid veternas to fill out their front court. The Knicks have good youth coming in, plus the Knicks have Timmy and Penny's expiring contracts.

KG is ours.....I don't know what is taking so long. Minnesota will be set for the future with whatever packedge the Knicks send out.




exactly either we package our assets for a guy like KG, who I'd prefer over Lebron because he is a top bigman and their aren't many of those around or we stink for a few years and stack up on HIGH draft picks not late lottery picks that will not amount to much or will not get off the bench. Those are the 2ways we'll be a championship contender and not in the middle of the pack.
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8/24/2005  3:12 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Silverfuel:

I cannot believe this is a debate.


Me either. KG is a once-in-a-lifetime talent and if you have the ability to get him
I agree with you about the deal being a no-brainer, but I think it's an exaggeration to call him a once in a lifetime talent. In the '90s, three players were drafted who have dominated the league (KG, Duncan, Garnett). It's too early to know what guys this decade will do but I wouldn't be surprised if Dwight Howard and Lebron are this decades version of those three. KG is probably more of a "once every 3 to 4 years" type of talent.

Yup. Throw in Chris Bosh and Okafor on that list. The NBA has some really good young bigs.
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8/24/2005  3:14 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by bigpimpin:

he said the Knicks are the only team that can trade for KG and still have a stacked team,lol.

toronto had a better record than we did last year.


It has nothing to do with records.......

If Toronto were to trade for KG they would completely gut out the team and would not be able to put out a decent team around KG.

The Knicks could trade Timmy, Mo Taylor, Sweets and draft picks for KG and Wally and still have Rose, Channing, Lee, Jerome James and Butler.......that is what I would call "stacked" smart ass!!!

Even if the Knicks had to give up Ariza and (dare I say it)Nate Robinson the Knicks perimeter would still be formidable.

What is the hold up with this KG trade? Make it happen.


Channning would be gone for KG as well as Nate or Marbury. You're not getting KG for TT and trash. They need picks and promising young talent as well as expiring contracts
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8/24/2005  3:15 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by bigpimpin:

he said the Knicks are the only team that can trade for KG and still have a stacked team,lol.

toronto had a better record than we did last year.


It has nothing to do with records.......

If Toronto were to trade for KG they would completely gut out the team and would not be able to put out a decent team around KG.

The Knicks could trade Timmy, Mo Taylor, Sweets and draft picks for KG and Wally and still have Rose, Channing, Lee, Jerome James and Butler.......that is what I would call "stacked" smart ass!!!

Even if the Knicks had to give up Ariza and (dare I say it)Nate Robinson the Knicks perimeter would still be formidable.

What is the hold up with this KG trade? Make it happen.


Channning would be gone for KG as well as Nate or Marbury. You're not getting KG for TT and trash. They need picks and promising young talent as well as expiring contracts


I agree, and that is why I would not do that trade..

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8/24/2005  3:18 PM
Posted by firefly:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by tkf:

Aging superstar, with gargantuan contract and aching knees...

seems like a perfect fit for the NY knicks!!!!


Garnett has aching knees? And he's aging? Since when did these factors occur?

This would be an absolute dream for all Knicks fans. Like Bobs said, I don't know how much truth there is to this rumor but if it is true then all we can do is hope that maybe it will go down.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-24-2005 01:19 AM]


He I didn't create this article. Garnett will soon be 30, and they say his knees have been giving him trouble. turning 30, bad knees, and a cap killing contract are a bad combination for a NBA player and any team he is on.... But for the knicks this would be par for the course.... sign him up!!



So, basically, the only player in the NBA you would be happy trading for is LeBron James?

Cuz pretty much everyone else has either had surgery, has aching joints/limbs, doesnt play defense, is tooo short, too tall, too fat, too thin, too pretty, too soft, too hard, too nice, too crazy or is too plain good for the Knicks.

Dude, if there is any chance, ANY chance of getting a 30 yo ex league MVP who has averaged 25-12-5-2-2 over the past few years, you dont wait and talk to your inhouse surgeon. Unless he's in the operating room right now getting his leg cut off, you trade for him.

Buit this is the Knicks. I expect some people would would be mad as hell if we trade for LeBron cuz of his inexperience. I mean, he cant even take a team with an All-Star center on it to the playoffs. Hah!! What kinda player is that!!

We dont need no MVP!! Lets get Drew Gooden instead. He's younger and has better knees.

Stoopid.

yeah its easier finding a wing player of the calibur of Lebron than it is finding a top flight hall of famer PF still in his prime like KG
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8/24/2005  3:21 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

yeah its easier finding a wing player of the calibur of Lebron than it is finding a top flight hall of famer PF still in his prime like KG

i think what hes saying is, there are many wing players who are competent and can post 15-20ppg, while its difficult to find and acquire an allstar big.
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8/24/2005  3:22 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by firefly:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by tkf:

Aging superstar, with gargantuan contract and aching knees...

seems like a perfect fit for the NY knicks!!!!


Garnett has aching knees? And he's aging? Since when did these factors occur?

This would be an absolute dream for all Knicks fans. Like Bobs said, I don't know how much truth there is to this rumor but if it is true then all we can do is hope that maybe it will go down.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-24-2005 01:19 AM]


He I didn't create this article. Garnett will soon be 30, and they say his knees have been giving him trouble. turning 30, bad knees, and a cap killing contract are a bad combination for a NBA player and any team he is on.... But for the knicks this would be par for the course.... sign him up!!



So, basically, the only player in the NBA you would be happy trading for is LeBron James?

Cuz pretty much everyone else has either had surgery, has aching joints/limbs, doesnt play defense, is tooo short, too tall, too fat, too thin, too pretty, too soft, too hard, too nice, too crazy or is too plain good for the Knicks.

Dude, if there is any chance, ANY chance of getting a 30 yo ex league MVP who has averaged 25-12-5-2-2 over the past few years, you dont wait and talk to your inhouse surgeon. Unless he's in the operating room right now getting his leg cut off, you trade for him.

Buit this is the Knicks. I expect some people would would be mad as hell if we trade for LeBron cuz of his inexperience. I mean, he cant even take a team with an All-Star center on it to the playoffs. Hah!! What kinda player is that!!

We dont need no MVP!! Lets get Drew Gooden instead. He's younger and has better knees.

Stoopid.


Hey I love KG, but it just seems like the knicks always try to get these guys after the other team has gotten the best out of them. Kg has a huge deal, hasn't really won anything, is turning 30( which is not old, but I thought we were going younger) and if it is true that he has aching knees, isn't that a big risk for a guy who has a cap killing contract. I don't need to have KG right now, not for what it will cost us..

How is that Stupid?


if this were to happen we wouldn't be getting him because his career is ending at only 30 frickin years of age. We'd be getting him because he's finally feed up with being in Minnesota who are horribly run by McHale and he wants to finally win a championship so he will join Larry, Steph or Nate and win one in the NBA's biggest market. Deep down I still think a contender will have more to offer for KG than expiring contracts, Frye & picks but there's enough hope for us to keep dreaming until the Feb. trade deadline!
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8/24/2005  3:24 PM
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by crzymdups:

KG is old and has never won jack. No thanks.


the same can be said for marbury... I don't see how we'd turn down a trade for garnett, he's still dominant and has at least another 5-6 years left ...he's a top 3 player.


yeah but Channing F'N Frye is only 22 and will be better than KG in 2yrs and in 3yrs he will be bound for the hall of fame like KG
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8/24/2005  3:25 PM
Posted by tkf:

marbury doesn't make 29 mil either. Garnetts contract is insane. Just insane. I love garnett, but I would make this trade 2 or 3 years ago. Do you think He will lead us to a championship before he start to decline? I think nalod had a name for this..starphuching? is that it?


no but Marbury makes $22mil in 2009. Whats the difference both make a ridiculous amount of money! except KG is worth it!
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8/24/2005  3:27 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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This will never happen. And if it did somehow happen, this team still wouldn't be better than Indiana, Detroit and Miami - and that's just the East.


no one is better than shaq. but shaq gets frozen out of the offense constantly in Miami (and previously with the Lakes).

Detroit is not better than the Knicks if the Knicks get KG. KG/Marbs/Q/Craw/Frye/Sweets/JJ/Rose/Nate Rob being coached by LB beats Detroit's Wallace B/Wallace R/Rip/Chauncy/Prince/DD/Dice/Hunter/Darko being coached by Flip "Game over" Saunders.

so now we're blaming Flip Saunders for Minnie's failures, but KG is invincible? No. KG is overrated, fellas.

Spree got to three conference Finals. Cassell got to four. The fact that KG was along for the ride on one of them doesn't make KG a superstar. KG couldn't beat Dirk, couldn't even make it close. Couldn't beat Duncan.

I admit, it'd be fun to have KG and Marbs here. It'd be a fun three years. But there wouldn't be any championships. I'd rather have a fun ten years with Ariza/Nate/Frye and not have to deal with the biggest prima donna this side of Kobe.

Anyone who thinks KG and Marbs would beat Artest/JO/Tinsely/Granger/Sjax/Saurnas and the rest of Indy's depth is nuts. JJ is not a passable starting center. Anyone who thinks that Minnesota trade would happen without giving up Frye/Nate/Ariza/Lee is equally nuts. Sorry, I'm not morgaging the future for a wimpy prima donna who's afraid to play center.
call me nuts. we got LB. we have other players on this team besides just KG and Marbs. Craw. Q. TT if he shows. Frye. Nate Rob. Sip Sip Sip Cough Cough Sip Sip. SiP!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone else agree with me?! I think we could defeat Pacers.
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8/24/2005  3:28 PM
Posted by tkf:

marbury doesn't make 29 mil either. Garnetts contract is insane. Just insane. I love garnett, but I would make this trade 2 or 3 years ago. Do you think He will lead us to a championship before he start to decline? I think nalod had a name for this..starphuching? is that it?


its starphuching when you trade Camby & Nene for Antonio Mcdyess coming off serious knee surgery. Not when you acquire a hall of fame PF who is still only 30 and is athletic enough to be top PF for another 5-6yrs
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8/24/2005  3:29 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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This will never happen. And if it did somehow happen, this team still wouldn't be better than Indiana, Detroit and Miami - and that's just the East.


no one is better than shaq. but shaq gets frozen out of the offense constantly in Miami (and previously with the Lakes).

Detroit is not better than the Knicks if the Knicks get KG. KG/Marbs/Q/Craw/Frye/Sweets/JJ/Rose/Nate Rob being coached by LB beats Detroit's Wallace B/Wallace R/Rip/Chauncy/Prince/DD/Dice/Hunter/Darko being coached by Flip "Game over" Saunders.

so now we're blaming Flip Saunders for Minnie's failures, but KG is invincible? No. KG is overrated, fellas.

Spree got to three conference Finals. Cassell got to four. The fact that KG was along for the ride on one of them doesn't make KG a superstar. KG couldn't beat Dirk, couldn't even make it close. Couldn't beat Duncan.

I admit, it'd be fun to have KG and Marbs here. It'd be a fun three years. But there wouldn't be any championships. I'd rather have a fun ten years with Ariza/Nate/Frye and not have to deal with the biggest prima donna this side of Kobe.

Anyone who thinks KG and Marbs would beat Artest/JO/Tinsely/Granger/Sjax/Saurnas and the rest of Indy's depth is nuts. JJ is not a passable starting center. Anyone who thinks that Minnesota trade would happen without giving up Frye/Nate/Ariza/Lee is equally nuts. Sorry, I'm not morgaging the future for a wimpy prima donna who's afraid to play center.
I know another wimpy prima donna who is afraid to play center. Tim Duncan. Then behind him there's Jermaine O'neal. Pau Gasol. Dirk Nowitzki. Hmmm, every other 7 footer who plays PF nowadays... yeah, those guys suck. Damn them for not wanting to play with their back to the basket - it's not like the centers nowadays play with their back to the basket anymore, but whatever... Yeah, I wouldnt want them or KG on my team anyways.
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