Posted by simrud:

My plan is so bad that every team that ever succesfully rebuilt has taken that approach.

But who am I to argue with you, you obvously know better then every other GM in the history of the association.

Its called sellin hope, kinda what the Rangera are finally doing now. Guess what, the hockey fans will still come event hough the team is made up of Jagr and a bunch of youngsters.

The Pacers and Spurs didn't do anything remotely like that to rebuild. Neither did the Suns. Or the Lakers (I'm talking about the dynasty that won three times).

The Pistons didn't either.

Of the top teams in the league, only the Heat did something close to that and they were only in the top 5 picks once and only got under the cap because they had a point guard who forgot to pick up his player option.

There are plenty of ways to build a team.

The Pacers have never been under the cap once in building their two strong teams from the 90s and now the 00s. The Lakers had a bunch of overpriced veterans keeping them around the .500 mark, never got a good draft pick, but had the cap room to offer Shaq at the right time. They didn't tank though, because, like New York, they know they have to be competitive to keep fan's attention in an entertainment-filled city. They traded Divac for Kobe and the rest is history.

Tanking and building through picks doesn't always work: ask the Clippers and the Bulls how long it takes. Ask the Hawks. Ask the Warriors.

Posted by TMS:

well if you want my honest OPINION (not the be all & end all of ideas), if i were in charge, i would have done exactly what IT did & acquired a star player w/some of the expiring contracts & draft picks (a move that i SUPPORTED - what? you mean TMS actually supported an IT move? no way...i mean he only mentioned that about 3000 times before on this forum)...that imo was NOT a fiscally irresponsible move, because it completely rejuvenated public interest in the NY Knicks franchise, increased ticket sales & concessions, & brought in marketing dollars to the garden.

then i would have probably analyzed the remaining parts & formulated a similar plan of attack of acquiring young & athletic players to fill in around Marbury...these 2 aspects i am in complete agreement w/Isiah...so much for all the hater theories, eh?

i SUPPORTED the trade to get Jamal Crawford & JYD using the scrap parts of Deke, Frank, Othella & Trybanski (i think that was the package)...i felt both players could help this franchise nicely & were both the types of athletic players who could run up & down the floor that i liked...plus i've always like JYD's style of unselfish play & hustle, even in his days in Detroit...i also liked the signing of DerMarr Johnson because he was a talented young player who was worth taking a flyer on...had IT been a bit more patient w/him he could have been a nice piece to our offense last season.

where i DISAGREED w/Isiah was when he extended KT to that 5 year extension w/trade kicker...at that point i would have used his expiring contract to trade for a young PF if available (i don't feel going back to list all the available names is necessary to explain this one, is it?)

I also wasn't crazy about the signing of Vin Baker to half the MLE...i felt he didn't fit the team's needs at all & was a nonsensical (there's that word again) roster move on Isiah's part...signing a scrub like Jamison Brewer didn't phase me 1 way or the other because he was a minimal investment, though i do feel Isiah could have gotten a much more serviceable player than Bruno for the LLE...the Jerome James signing to the full MLE contract everyone knows my feelings on...if IT signs Diop to the LLE you'll hear some more whining from me whether you like it or not...i can't pretend to agree w/something that is illogical & nonsensical in my mind (damn, that word has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?)

concerning the KVH/Doleac for TT/Nazr trade, i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a year's time...turns out i hated that trade because i've grown to despise TT as a player, & Nazr was a 1 year stopgap, but at least he did land us some draft picks in the long run, so that's his 1 saving grace.

the Mo T trade i was initially in favor of because i assumed IT had a plan in place to trade off 1 of our PF's last season, but fill the team's need at C...but turns out he ad libbed his way out of this one by dealing KT this past offseason & signing an overpaid scrub to a full MLE contract to be our starting C...not exactly a plan of action that instills confidence in me sorry to say, but at least we did end up w/Q & Nate Robinson out of the KT deal, so it turns out well for us overall.

As for draft picks, i'll say that Isiah's pick of Trevor Ariza was perfectly fine with me after i read up some more on him after that draft...& his trade to acquire the extra 1st rounders in the Malik Rose trade with which he was able to land David Lee was also a move i was in favor of...along w/Nate Rob, those 3 represent some young, athletic players that fit the mantra nicely...but i did NOT like passing over Gerald Green in favor of Channing Frye...i think Green will be a monster in this league someday...

i've discussed all of this plenty of times on other threads & i don't feel it's necessary to go over this or any of my other points on this thread...i'm just doing this so you get a general overview of where i agree & disagree w/the moves Isiah's made as Knicks' GM...now if you want to continue to label me as a hater or whatever, knock yourself out...i'm gonna call it like i see it, regardless if it's a popular opinion around here or not.

[Edited by - TMS on 08-16-2005 3:37 PM]

Posted by misterearl:

>in Isiah's 19 months here he has added 300MILLIOn dollars in long term payroll

Briggs - it ain't your money

Has Isiah improved the team or not?

Did he just sign Larry Freakin' Brown?

Just win baby

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by misterearl:

>in Isiah's 19 months here he has added 300MILLIOn dollars in long term payroll

Briggs - it ain't your money

Has Isiah improved the team or not?

Did he just sign Larry Freakin' Brown?

Just win baby

i remember big earl and little earl.
which one was misterearl?