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tomverve
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8/15/2005  1:33 PM
The waiving of JYD is truly the end of an era in Knicksland. Expect MSG to explode any day now. I have no link, but the source is solid.
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8/15/2005  1:35 PM
Tom feel free to offer your opinion
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8/15/2005  1:35 PM
let's take one step forward...let's take two steps back...we get together cause...WE SUCK.

absolutely mind boggling...just mind boggling.

jyd was owed $12.5 mil over the next two years with a TEAM option for the 3rd.

AWFUL AWFUL move even if h20 retires.

jyd also does alot of good in the community. what a joke.

it's tough for me to say whether or not there is a REAL plan in place.
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8/15/2005  1:36 PM
Ok, some of your guys on this thread are really ridiculous. This was a fiscal move. YOU THINK THAT A FISCAL MOVE IS MADE BY A GM??? Nah man....this amnesty rule is for owners, not for GM's. All an owner will do is consider what a Gm and coach has to say. But at the end of the day it's HIS tax dollars. It was Isiah that was hinting towards everyone that he wanted to waive Houston. It has been said that Dolan was overriding that b/c of his loyalty to Houston. Isiaah could care less about Houston....none the less he here. Isiah could care less about Shandon Anderson. Use your brians and those two would have obviously been Isiah's choices. Plus you can't exclude that everyone, at this point, is trying to make sure Larry's happy. You KNOW what happens when he's unhappy.

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8/15/2005  1:37 PM
Isiah must come in front of media and explain this move. He better not mention "retirement" or "front office job" as a reason. No more BS. JYD was happy that LB was coming in as his coach just weeks ago. Why the **** would he retire now?
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8/15/2005  1:38 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

This is hilarious. The same guys who want us to rebuild and who want us to play the youngsters, get mad at us trading one of the oldest players on our roster, which opens up space and time for the youngsters.

Some of you guys are a bunch of hypocrites.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 08-15-2005 1:11 PM]

i don't think that has anything to do with it. for me, i think there were CLEARLY at least 2 options better than waiving jyd especially since he's not that expensive and could be used in a trade next summer as opposed to 2 years from now like with malik.
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8/15/2005  1:39 PM
Posted by tomverve:

The waiving of JYD is truly the end of an era in Knicksland. Expect MSG to explode any day now. I have no link, but the source is solid.

you're right, this isn't an end all be all. but would you say it was the best move to make in this situation? i wouldn't. and that's what upsets me. there are clearly better options and better things for the franchise (waiving, h20, shandon, rose, mo) but we didn't choose the best option. that's what bugs me.
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8/15/2005  1:39 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Ok, some of your guys on this thread are really ridiculous. This was a fiscal move. YOU THINK THAT A FISCAL MOVE IS MADE BY A GM??? Nah man....this amnesty rule is for owners, not for GM's. All an owner will do is consider what a Gm and coach has to say. But at the end of the day it's HIS tax dollars. It was Isiah that was hinting towards everyone that he wanted to waive Houston. It has been said that Dolan was overriding that b/c of his loyalty to Houston. Isiaah could care less about Houston....none the less he here. Isiah could care less about Shandon Anderson. Use your brians and those two would have obviously been Isiah's choices. Plus you can't exclude that everyone, at this point, is trying to make sure Larry's happy. You KNOW what happens when he's unhappy.

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dude, the Knicks would have saved more money by waiving Shandon Anderson's contract...what's your point? did you even consider that before you came up w/that theory of yours?
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8/15/2005  1:40 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

This is hilarious. The same guys who want us to rebuild and who want us to play the youngsters, get mad at us trading one of the oldest players on our roster, which opens up space and time for the youngsters.

Some of you guys are a bunch of hypocrites.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 08-15-2005 1:11 PM]


that is hilarious, and yet so true.
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8/15/2005  1:40 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Ok, some of your guys on this thread are really ridiculous. This was a fiscal move. YOU THINK THAT A FISCAL MOVE IS MADE BY A GM??? Nah man....this amnesty rule is for owners, not for GM's. All an owner will do is consider what a Gm and coach has to say. But at the end of the day it's HIS tax dollars. It was Isiah that was hinting towards everyone that he wanted to waive Houston. It has been said that Dolan was overriding that b/c of his loyalty to Houston. Isiaah could care less about Houston....none the less he here. Isiah could care less about Shandon Anderson. Use your brians and those two would have obviously been Isiah's choices. Plus you can't exclude that everyone, at this point, is trying to make sure Larry's happy. You KNOW what happens when he's unhappy.

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If this was strictly $$$ issue as you say, why not waive Shandon's contract? Why would Dolan push for JYD to be cut? Shandon's contract is bigger that JYD's.
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8/15/2005  1:43 PM
This is hilarious. The same guys who want us to rebuild and who want us to play the youngsters, get mad at us trading one of the oldest players on our roster, which opens up space and time for the youngsters.

Some of you guys are a bunch of hypocrites.

You my freind are a certifed fruitcake. First of all we did not TRADE JYD, we WAIVED him you reading comprehension impared special case. Second of all, we were GOING TO WAIVE ONE PLAYER REGARDLESS, so its picin JYD over Taylor, Rose, Shanderson, and Houston that is maddening.

Secondly, speakin of the minutes, I know it is a concept you most likley will not be able to grasp, but try to force yoour tiny mind to focus on it and not on your fantasies about a 3some with you IT and Hardkore in a bath of coolade and understand this. JYD was a bit player, who would never play more then 10 mints a gmae. A guy like Rose and Mo will demand more playin time if they are to be effective.

So try to post somethign that actually makes sense. But then agaig, are you even capable?



[Edited by - simrud on 08-15-2005 1:44 PM]
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8/15/2005  1:44 PM
Posted by TMS:


dude, the Knicks would have saved more money by waiving Shandon Anderson's contract...what's your point? did you even consider that before you came up w/that theory of yours?

Yup. Didn't say it makes sense. It's funny how everyone reads the papers and feel that they are more informed than the people in-house. At the end of the day, in the case of this Amnesty rule, it has been said a million times that owners will have more to do with this rule than a regular situation.

Why do YOU think that all of this time Isiah has been talking of Houston in the past tense and now all of a sudden Dolan and Brown are speaking of their support for Houston and Isiah was saying nothing? Also....Isiah Thomas' most hated Knick of all time...Shandon wasn't waived. Why do YOU think Isiah didn't waive Shandon?


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8/15/2005  1:45 PM
I honestly don't get why everyone is so up in arms about this. JYD was a nice a player but we have other guys on the team that brings the same energy to the floor that he does AND they are better players. The fact of the matter is that this was going to come down to Rose and JYD becuase Isiah isn't waiving Mo T, he still can score in the post and thats alot more then what JYD can do down there. This move was a ROSTER SPACE SAVING MOVE. This allows the Knicks to sign someone else or leave the roster as is. Penny wasn't getting waived and neither was TT, one of their contracts is going to run out and the other one is going to be moved before the Trade deadline in efforts for a good bigman downlow.

I just don't get the big deal. It's not like salaries are coming off the cap, this move was done to both save Big Fat Jimmy Dolan money and also to create another roster spot. There is nothing else to this move.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-15-2005 1:45 PM]
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8/15/2005  1:47 PM
I'm pissed off cuz JYD contributes to this team in many ways. He was a tough hardworking guy who PLAYS DEFENSE on the floor, and was a spark plug coming off the bench. On the bench, he not only did not complain or demand mins, he was a great cheer leader puming up the guys on the court and the garden.

In other words, a true team guy.

What can you say about Penny??? What does he contribute?
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8/15/2005  1:49 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I honestly don't get why everyone is so up in arms about this. JYD was a nice a player but we have other guys on the team that brings the same energy to the floor that he does AND they are better players. The fact of the matter is that this was going to come down to Rose and JYD becuase Isiah isn't waiving Mo T, he still can score in the post and thats alot more then what JYD can do down there. This move was a ROSTER SPACE SAVING MOVE. This allows the Knicks to sign someone else or leave the roster as is. Penny wasn't getting waived and neither was TT, one of their contracts is going to run out and the other one is going to be moved before the Trade deadline in efforts for a good bigman downlow.

I just don't get the big deal. It's not like salaries are coming off the cap, this move was done to both save Big Fat Jimmy Dolan money and also to create another roster spot. There is nothing else to this move.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-15-2005 1:45 PM]

It's because these Knicks fans are so accustumed to being mad about something until cutting a guy who was destined for no playing time at all this season has them seeing red. This is an outrage! At forward we got Sweets, Frye, Mo and Malik ahead of him and at the 3 we got Tim Thomas, Ariza, Q and Lee ahead of him. HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO US??? Like one of the posters said "now we're REALLY not on our way to a championship" lol


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8/15/2005  1:49 PM
The point is more could have been saved by waiving other players, and players like Rose and Taylor have no use on this team.

Just think with you head for once, we have James and Frye already playing center, Sweetney and Rose at PF, when is Taylor even going to play? And are we just gonna DNP Lee all year? I mean Rose or Taylor had to be moved. They have no use coming in for specific matchup like JYD was. He was perfect for guarding guys like Dirk. Nowe we lost our only stoppe at any position.

And for what? There is not even a plausible explanation. Just plain DUMB.
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8/15/2005  1:49 PM
i want to hear what IT has to say, and ultiamtely, what happens with JYD. i wish him the best, unless its with the nets or something. i hope IT had enough respect for the players to be open with tehm with what he's doing and why a guy like JYD gets cut.

i see the necessity of it, instead of criticizing IT for picking JYD over those other guys, i would rather have seen something more like designating shandon's contract for amnesty, and waiting for training camp to see how many players we need to cut and who doesn't have a place.
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8/15/2005  1:50 PM
But ofcourse you can just seat their and make assanine statements how this is not a big deal, as if anybody said it was.

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8/15/2005  1:52 PM
TheloniusMonk.. not exactly a well thought out post. You said its a fiscal call not made by the GM? Ok... so the Knicks would save MORE money by waiving Shandon, Penny, Mo T or obviously Houston. If the plan was to waive JYD than using the rule on Shandon and just cutting JYD or buying him out makes more sense.

Put your foot in your mouth, none of your arguements make a shred of sense. Not from a fiscal standpoint, not from a roster standpoint, not from a basketball standpoint. Its just more mismanagement.
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8/15/2005  1:52 PM
Posted by simrud:

The point is more could have been saved by waiving other players, and players like Rose and Taylor have no use on this team.

Just think with you head for once, we have James and Frye already playing center, Sweetney and Rose at PF, when is Taylor even going to play? And are we just gonna DNP Lee all year? I mean Rose or Taylor had to be moved. They have no use coming in for specific matchup like JYD was. He was perfect for guarding guys like Dirk. Nowe we lost our only stoppe at any position.

And for what? There is not even a plausible explanation. Just plain DUMB.

Lee is playing at SF...not behind Mo and Rose


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