^ you're living in a fantasy world buddy. if it's not there to begin with, Brown won't be able to bring it out.


Crawford's a good kid, but he's had several years to show an ability to play defense and be a more consistent scorer and he's never done it. and not only that, but Marbury won't be playing much off-guard. It just doesn't make sense to keep Jamal. We'll be as good as we were when Nazr was around, and that's a .500 ball club at best. Depth we have, but not where it counts.

Some of you Knick fans are so caught up with potential. You'd rather dream about what you COULD get out of Crawford and Kwame, and would rather pass up guys like Wesley and Harpring and Kurt b/c they're not flashy and don't have a high ceiling. But consistency and defensive prowess, along with an ability to adapt to any team, is something you can never overlook.

Get your head outta the clouds. I'd be trashing Marbury too, but he's more efficient than Crawford and he's the heart and soul of the team. Trading him is not an option.

And if that's not enough of an arguement, Brown said a few days ago that he expects Isiah to bring players in that he can coach. That means your Aaron Mckies and Eric Snows of the NBA...not Crawford and Tim Thomas.

WAKE THE FUCK UP!

Posted by Marv:

Posted by bobs3304:

WAKE THE FUCK UP!

well thank you. actually i had just dozed off . . . from the lifesapping braindraining monotony of reading your 838 posts in 27 days!!!!

That wasn't even aimed at you homes.

Posted by tapseer:

I've been told to relax for defending players who are being criticized for just standidng there. It's not me that needs to relax, it's you. You're being critical of fantasy. Until you actually see the players in Larry Brown's system you can't honestly say he fits or doesn't fit. Until you see him being coached by LB, you can't say a player can't do this or do that. I, personally like to think that if Crawford can reign in his game a little bit, have a little more control that his game is much better than Rip. Only due to the fact that Crawford is able to get his own shot off as opposed to having to run off numerous picks like Rip has to get get his shot off. Stop selling your players short, and give them the chance to play under the new coach. Yoiu need to relax with the specualtive B.S.

[Edited by - tapseer on 07/31/2005 20:10:02]

i guess i stand corrected...maybe LB will turn Tim Thomas into a 1st team All Defense team member this year...i can't wait.

^ fair enough. it's still debatable what "fair value" is, but atleast we're on equal grounds now.



OT: Was just watching Family Guy (old episode), the one where they put a karayoke machine in the bar, and start singing "Don't Stop Believing" by Journey.

Classic...

Posted by tapseer:

Craw is only 25 years old. So what, we dump him in the river now? He's still young and has plenty of time to improve. Between AAU and 1 year of school, various NBA coaches, this kid just doesn't have the schooling. Same with Marbury. I'm saying is give then both a chance to work with a real coach. A coach with vast knowledge and experience and job security shoulg go a long way with those two. You want to toss a young player to the heap? Give a minute first. Shucks, some guys don't get 'till really late in their lives, he's 25 years old!

I'm not gonna comment on this at all b/c I completely disagree. But as far as I'm concerned, what Simrud said pretty much captures this thread, and I'm leaving it at that...

Posted by tapseer:

Whther you comment or not, is besides the matter. Let the kid play before you put him in the dumpster. Some people like to talk to hear themselves speak, but say something meaningful when you do.

not justifying this with an answer. if you want to read something meaningful, go look up all 834 of my posts.


correction - 843.....I must be dyslexic.

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/31/2005 22:13:38]

Posted by tapseer:

Yeah, 843 in less than a month, you really must have a lot to get off your chest. I have read this forum a long time before I signed up and finally posted, and I really don't post much, except in instances when I feel the team is being UNFAIRLY dumped on or facing unrealistic expectations. There's nothing wrong with critiquing the team, God knows I was doing a lot of that during the Layden regime. But times are looking better (for me at least) and people still want to dump on the team...they haven't played a game yet. You want to toss a youngin' to the side because you think he's not the type of player LB would like. How do you know? Crawford can't be better than what he has shown. Why not? Give a chance to play before you start dumping on him. Who knows, you might be right or you might be wrong. Let him play.

good post

Posted by tapseer:

Yeah, 843 in less than a month, you really must have a lot to get off your chest. I have read this forum a long time before I signed up and finally posted, and I really don't post much, except in instances when I feel the team is being UNFAIRLY dumped on or facing unrealistic expectations. There's nothing wrong with critiquing the team, God knows I was doing a lot of that during the Layden regime. But times are looking better (for me at least) and people still want to dump on the team...they haven't played a game yet. You want to toss a youngin' to the side because you think he's not the type of player LB would like. How do you know? Crawford can't be better than what he has shown. Why not? Give a chance to play before you start dumping on him. Who knows, you might be right or you might be wrong. Let him play.

obviously you have to re-read post #738...or was it #623...whatever the case, you have to re-read it

i think we're going to stay AS IS till february. after we sign big game, and waive h20, the team will stay the same as LB figures out what we have here. unless there's a firesale, tim and penny will just expire after the season. AND THAT'S WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN with those two - let the $$$'s come off the books. then, we'll see where we are after the season. we'll have 2 #1's, and mo and jyd expiring as well.

Chitownsports4ever-Bulls fan perspective.

If you have a good team defense it doesnt really matter who guards who or how strong you are ?

I remember how well Crawford and jay williams played together with the Bulls and how they were fantastic against the sixers AI and Snow in a game where the sixers needed to win to secure homecourt .

they raced the ball up the floor and never allowed the defense to set and when the defense did get set they moved the ball so well that it kept the sixers totally off balance because the offense could be initiated from both sides of the floor and both players could equally break you down off the dribble.I can easily see where Brown is going with this.He will use Marbury and Crawford as playmakers not as traditional pg or sg because they both have the ability to pass and shoot if they keep the ball moving and get everyone involved they could be very dangerous combo .


Marbury -as quick as your average pg and certainly stronger than most

Crawford - quicker than average sg andf a better passer than the majorty of sg in the league today

Q- quicker than the average sf and as good if not better rebounder than most


the knicks will be a team where TEAM DEFENSE is king where quickness and a players ability to help out and recover will be paramount .Going againt a teams regular rotation if the knicks playe the defense larry has in mind it wont matter because good team defense hides any individual weaknesses.

That Crawford /Jay williams combo dropped the hammer on several playoff teams including the Nets who went on to the finals that year .Jamal Crawford and Jay Williams combined for 33 points, 14 assists and 11 rebounds in their first start together that night .That was against the Kidd,Kiitles,Lucious harris trio.