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7/30/2005  9:15 PM
This thread is quickly going too ****. Guns, I wouldn't mind having Craw being the backup that comes off the bench but how is going to find 20-25 minutes a game to play? Marbury is going to get his 35-38 minutes a game for sure and QRich is going to get his 25-30. I just don't see alot of time being available for JCraw to play WITHOUT Marbury. I don't mind them playing together on the court but what I do have a problem with is Crawford running down the floor and shooting the ball with 22 seconds on the shotclock like he has done soooooo many times before.
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7/30/2005  9:15 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Exactly the reason crawford was brought to new york for in the first place...last year Q was Houston (healthy)

Someone was paying attention and understands Crawford's roll.

The back court and dare I say the 3 is all good.

Transform our 5 PF's into Yao Ming and I'm getting a Dolan Jersey!
Posted by gunsnewing:

the problem we had with Crawford was starting him at SG where he got torched by bigger guys and shoot 39% which is horrific for a SG and none of his strengths complimented Marbury. They are too similar. both guys penetrate and create. Neither is a reliable shooter. Now with Q at SG hopefully we'll be fine with Crawford scoring off the bench as 6th man

Houston was never going to be healthy next year but thats a different story
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7/30/2005  9:15 PM
Re read post.
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by rvhoss:

16 - 13 with craw and marbs on the floor.

He doesn't make $8 mill now, I believe it's closer to 5 this coming year. He won't be making that until 07-08 and by then, he should be a solid starter on our team, or something damn close.

Now you're just rambling.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm


See for yourself. Alot more than what you thought right?

Sorry for the "rambling".

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/30/2005 21:13:38]
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7/30/2005  9:17 PM
You're crazy. nate is a back up pg, craw will back up Q and we'll see Q at the three.

Losing Crawford for Harrington (and you wanted to THROW IN sweetney) is not a good trade for the knicks IMHO. I think it's actually makes us worst.
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by gunsnewing:


yeah everyone agrees with what you're saying. Marbury and Crawford have no chemistry. Crawford is not a SG but we're not going to trade him for the sake of trading him. If the right deals comes along then we will. Until then lets see what he does with a year in NY under his belt and Larry Brown coaching and so much on the line for Marbury and Isiah.


I actually want the Knicks to make the playoffs next year. And by keeping Crawford, I'm not confident at all that's gonna happen. Not enough balls to go around with Nate, Crawford, and Marbury, all players that need the rock to be effective and "do what they do best".
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7/30/2005  9:18 PM
nope, probably twice as old as you...interesting when you run out of things to back up your ridiculous (sp?) trade proposal you question my age and were COMPLETELY WRONG on that as well.

Quit while you are ahead.
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by rvhoss:

Exactly the reason crawford was brought to new york for in the first place...last year Q was Houston (healthy)

Someone was paying attention and understands Crawford's roll.

The back court and dare I say the 3 is all good.

Transform our 5 PF's into Yao Ming and I'm getting a Dolan Jersey!


Sorry. Not trying to be rude. That's not how I work. But you really sound like a 9 y/o Knick fan or something.


Any truth to that?
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7/30/2005  9:19 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

This thread is quickly going too ****. Guns, I wouldn't mind having Craw being the backup that comes off the bench but how is going to find 20-25 minutes a game to play? Marbury is going to get his 35-38 minutes a game for sure and QRich is going to get his 25-30. I just don't see alot of time being available for JCraw to play WITHOUT Marbury. I don't mind them playing together on the court but what I do have a problem with is Crawford running down the floor and shooting the ball with 22 seconds on the shotclock like he has done soooooo many times before.

off the bench facing 2nd units and not having to guard the Kobe, Jrichs of the league and running with Nate, Marbury, Ariza, Lee, JYD & Frye he'll be fine. He'll get his 25+mins unless Nate has a Wade like impact. Marbury's minutes should be significantly down also. 6th men easily average between 25-32mins. I never had a problem with Crawford playing some SG off the bench. I just had a problem with him being Steph's backcourt mate and having to guard Kobe and co who light him up for 40 a night and praying that the 19yr old Ariza could contain them.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 21:21:54]
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7/30/2005  9:20 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Re read post.
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by rvhoss:

16 - 13 with craw and marbs on the floor.

He doesn't make $8 mill now, I believe it's closer to 5 this coming year. He won't be making that until 07-08 and by then, he should be a solid starter on our team, or something damn close.

Now you're just rambling.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm


See for yourself. Alot more than what you thought right?

Sorry for the "rambling".

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/30/2005 21:13:38]


Did you even click on the link?????


Crawford's set to make around 50 Million in the next 6 years.

And as for how much he's making next year... 6.5+ Millin is nowhere near 5 Mill. buddy. Do your research before you come up with this crock.
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7/30/2005  9:23 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This thread is quickly going too ****. Guns, I wouldn't mind having Craw being the backup that comes off the bench but how is going to find 20-25 minutes a game to play? Marbury is going to get his 35-38 minutes a game for sure and QRich is going to get his 25-30. I just don't see alot of time being available for JCraw to play WITHOUT Marbury. I don't mind them playing together on the court but what I do have a problem with is Crawford running down the floor and shooting the ball with 22 seconds on the shotclock like he has done soooooo many times before.

off the bench facing 2nd units and not having to guard the Kobe, Jrichs of the league and running with Nate, Marbury, Ariza, Lee, JYD & Frye he'll be fine. He'll get his 25+mins unless Nate has a Wade like impact. Marbury's minutes should be significantly down also. 6th men easily average between 25-32mins. I never had a problem with Crawford playing some SG off the bench. I just had a problem with him being Steph's backcourt mate and having to guard Kobe and co who light him up for 40 a night and praying that the 19yr old Ariza could contain them.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 21:21:54]

But they don't average that much time when they play the same position as someone like Stephon Marbury. There is no way I want Crawford on the court running the point instead of Marbury just to get Crawford into ballgames. Marbury is a top player in this league and he atleast puts up the offensive stats to warrant playing as much time as he does. I don't want Craw in there at the expense of Marbury, no way no how.
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7/30/2005  9:23 PM
exactly, and will have Q on the court with him and if he's playing the point, defensive put back ariza.

Crawford, to me, showed that he can be that guy that comes off the bench and scores 20 points in 35 minutes. (in 38 minutes last year, averaged 17)

I know we all love nate and all, but he's coming off the bench, and I don't see him taking minutes from Crawford unless he's Crawfull. He will get plenty of minutes this coming year, you can bet on that.

TT is the remaining mystery...if he gives quality minutes, we will be AOK. IMHO so GFY


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7/30/2005  9:24 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:


off the bench facing 2nd units and not having to guard the Kobe, Jrichs of the league and running with Nate, Marbury, Ariza, Lee, JYD & Frye he'll be fine. He'll get his 25+mins unless Nate has a Wade like impact. Marbury's minutes should be significantly down also. 6th men easily average between 25-32mins. I never had a problem with Crawford playing some SG off the bench. I just had a problem with him being Steph's backcourt mate and having to guard Kobe and co who light him up for 40 a night and praying that the 19yr old Ariza could contain them.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 21:21:54]

again, Nate, just like Spud and Boykins, needs to have the ball to do what he does best, and that's break down the defense and distribute. Same goes for Crawford and Marbury. You simply can't have 3 players that NEED the ball to be effective ALL getting minutes. The offense won't be balanced, and Brown won't allow it.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  9:25 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

exactly, and will have Q on the court with him and if he's playing the point, defensive put back ariza.

Crawford, to me, showed that he can be that guy that comes off the bench and scores 20 points in 35 minutes. (in 38 minutes last year, averaged 17)

35 Minutes!!!! Guy, do us all a favor and think before you type.
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7/30/2005  9:29 PM
I see you are still ignoring the fact that you said he made 8.5 mill and he doesn't make that until 07-08.

Sticks and stones my friend, sticks and stones.

A more important lesson for you is the one that goes "people that live in glass houses..."

I think you know the rest.

Quit lashing out in personal attacks and stick to the subject...You're argumentative style doesn't seem as half baked and you sometimes make a point.

However, when you make assinine remarks and go completely off subject, everyone just realizes you are just another immature anti marbury poster that just wants to make his name known by posting against the current plans of knicks management and if something backfires you can say you said so all along...much like ... Well, really you seem to be the only one that has no manners and is immature.

I'll just go back to not reading your posts...I'm sure they Crack You Up.
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by rvhoss:

Re read post.
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by rvhoss:

16 - 13 with craw and marbs on the floor.

He doesn't make $8 mill now, I believe it's closer to 5 this coming year. He won't be making that until 07-08 and by then, he should be a solid starter on our team, or something damn close.

Now you're just rambling.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm


See for yourself. Alot more than what you thought right?

Sorry for the "rambling".

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/30/2005 21:13:38]


Did you even click on the link?????


Crawford's set to make around 50 Million in the next 6 years.

And as for how much he's making next year... 6.5+ Millin is nowhere near 5 Mill. buddy. Do your research before you come up with this crock.
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7/30/2005  9:29 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by nyk4ever:

This thread is quickly going too ****. Guns, I wouldn't mind having Craw being the backup that comes off the bench but how is going to find 20-25 minutes a game to play? Marbury is going to get his 35-38 minutes a game for sure and QRich is going to get his 25-30. I just don't see alot of time being available for JCraw to play WITHOUT Marbury. I don't mind them playing together on the court but what I do have a problem with is Crawford running down the floor and shooting the ball with 22 seconds on the shotclock like he has done soooooo many times before.

off the bench facing 2nd units and not having to guard the Kobe, Jrichs of the league and running with Nate, Marbury, Ariza, Lee, JYD & Frye he'll be fine. He'll get his 25+mins unless Nate has a Wade like impact. Marbury's minutes should be significantly down also. 6th men easily average between 25-32mins. I never had a problem with Crawford playing some SG off the bench. I just had a problem with him being Steph's backcourt mate and having to guard Kobe and co who light him up for 40 a night and praying that the 19yr old Ariza could contain them.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 21:21:54]

But they don't average that much time when they play the same position as someone like Stephon Marbury. There is no way I want Crawford on the court running the point instead of Marbury just to get Crawford into ballgames. Marbury is a top player in this league and he atleast puts up the offensive stats to warrant playing as much time as he does. I don't want Craw in there at the expense of Marbury, no way no how.

Crawford will get most of his minutes as backup SG but he will play PG at times especially if Nate has flaws. Yeah Nate was amazing in summerleague but what if he can't run the team efficiently enough or is too much of a defensive liability. Marbury will get his 35+mins, Craw will get his 25+ and Nate will get his 5-10. Unless Nate is Dwyane Wade but that would be a nice problem to have. We can always trade Crawford when the right deal comes along. like in a package with Sweetney for better player like Odom or a huge need like Nene.



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/30/2005 21:54:13]
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7/30/2005  9:30 PM
You truly are an idiot...meant to type 25 minutes, but you get my point atleast.
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by rvhoss:

exactly, and will have Q on the court with him and if he's playing the point, defensive put back ariza.

Crawford, to me, showed that he can be that guy that comes off the bench and scores 20 points in 35 minutes. (in 38 minutes last year, averaged 17)

35 Minutes!!!! Guy, do us all a favor and think before you type.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 07/30/2005 21:30:52]
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7/30/2005  9:31 PM
This pretty much sums up the back court.

Couldn't agree with you more.
Posted by gunsnewing:

Crawford will get most of his minutes as backup SG but he will play PG at times especially if Nate has flaws. Yeah Nate was amazing in summerleague but what if he can't run the team efficiently enough or is too much of a defensive liability. Marbury will get his 35mins, Craw will get his 25+ and Nate will get his 5-10. Unless Nate is Dwyane Wade
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7/30/2005  9:32 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I see you are still ignoring the fact that you said he made 8.5 mill and he doesn't make that until 07-08.

Sticks and stones my friend, sticks and stones.

A more important lesson for you is the one that goes "people that live in glass houses..."

I think you know the rest.

Quit lashing out in personal attacks and stick to the subject...You're argumentative style doesn't seem as half baked and you sometimes make a point.

However, when you make assinine remarks and go completely off subject, everyone just realizes you are just another immature anti marbury poster that just wants to make his name known by posting against the current plans of knicks management and if something backfires you can say you said so all along...much like ... Well, really you seem to be the only one that has no manners and is immature.

I'll just go back to not reading your posts...I'm sure they Crack You Up.


What's wrong with you? I said Crawford's AVERAGING close to 8.5 a year. Do you even read my posts?

Assinine? That's a joke. I've been making solid points about Crawford, and I'm trying to be as objective about it as I can. I'd rather sacrifice talent for a lesser player with more intangibles and better defense.

As for Marbury, I'm the one saying he IS THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE TEAM AND IS STAYING PUT. Are you blind????

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/30/2005 21:34:38]
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7/30/2005  9:35 PM
Is it me, or do you claim NOBODY reads your posts.

I wonder why.
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7/30/2005  9:38 PM
This is the funniest post:
Posted by bobs3304:

... I'm making SOLID points along with some other posters,

very funny IMHO.
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7/30/2005  10:37 PM
wow, this thread got alot of replies in a couple hours time...reading over some of your responses, alot of you clearly have missed the point of this trade idea...someone called Sweetney a "THROW IN" & ignored the fact that you're getting a relatively high 1st round pick in exchange for him...since when is that an insignificant trade off?

& to those who are dissing on Al Harrington as if he's some washed up journeyman vet & in the same breath going on about Crawford still developing as an NBA player...guys, they're both the same age...they both averaged the same points on crappy teams last year...Harrington gives you almost 8 rebounds a game, not that we need a good rebounding SF when we have Tim Thomas (sarcasm intended)...please, if Tim Thomas put up 17 & 8 last year, you guys would be loving him right about now, even at the ludicrous salary he's making.

the fact you're not only getting a talented young player in Harrington that many other teams would be interested in at the trade deadline, but also one that has an expiring contract gives Isiah big opportunity to make moves at the trading deadline...add in the fact that you get another 1st round pick, & you have what you call tradeable assets...correct me if i'm wrong BRIGGS, but i seem to remember you going on about collecting tradeable assets all last year...this trade represents an opportunity to achieve that goal...it's OK if you don't happen to like Al Harrington, but some of the reasons you guys give to defend your positions are pretty ridiculous.

& again, this is NOT because i don't like Jamal Crawford as a player...i just feel a deal like this sets up a better future for the Knicks franchise...just my opinion.

thanks for all your feedback.
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7/30/2005  10:56 PM
Oh cmon everybody people are at each others throats and I'm not even envolved??? What is going on on! LOL.

But seriously, why would you be against tradin Craw for Nene?

Forget Harrington for a second, I beleave the argument there was that he is an expiring deal and we get a future lottery pick for Sweetney, I peronally don't agree but thats a loaded topic of its own.

I think Nene could work very well with Frye as our starting frontcourt of the future, Nene is a banger, and Frye is more of a finesse outside big. Just in terms of development, in 3 years from now, when Brown says he expects us to compete for real, Nene will be entering his prime and Frye will be right about there too, consdidering he had 4 years of college.

I think having two talented and complementing 6 11 guys in their prime along with Marbury still in his last good years at around 32-33 years old and Q also in his prime at 29 along with a solid bench with Nate and Lee at that point being the 6 and 7 men and an established system under Brown is a good plan. And Ariza should be the defensive stopper at the 3 very much like Prince at that point as well.

I mean are these not the Pistons that won last year?
C Nene/James Wallace/Campbell
PF Frye/Sweetney Sheed/McDyess
SF Ariza/Lee Prince/Darin Ham
SG Q/Nate Rip/Hunter
PG Marbury/Nate Billups/Hunter






[Edited by - simrud on 07/30/2005 22:57:04]
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