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nyk4ever
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7/30/2005  1:12 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Where are they now?

Remember the rumors that the Knicks president might consider leaving New York to coach the Lakers, then vilifying him for it in the same story?

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Remember the trade deadline and the Malik Rose trade?

DUNCE CAP

- Mitch Lawrence

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emac - I wonder what the suddenly silent Mitch Lawrence decides to write about moving forward?

Who wants Mike Fratello?

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nyk4ever
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7/30/2005  1:17 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I honestly think the current knick team is more talented that that Clipper team.
marbs over derek harper
TT over charles smith (yep, I would)
Q over ron harper
frye over manning (yes, definitely)

I just think this team is better than everyone thinks they are.

If we uclog the log jam at PF (and don't forget, some of them can play Center) and frye steps up...we are a contender this year.

Disagree with Frye over Manning. Danny Manning was an extremely special player before his knee surgeries and that 1992 Clippers was prior to his surgery, I think averaged over 20 ppg that year. Manning was Amare Stoudamire before Amare Stoudamire, he was supposed to transform what people thought of the NBA PF/C but oh those knees.
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7/30/2005  1:17 PM
bob...you said marbury has no heart...are u on crack??..marbury showed alot more heart than anyone else on the team except for JYD. During the 1st 76ers game where we came back and won while down 19...marbs was doing it all, he was hitting the deck, hustling and playing defense...dont say marbury is a horrific defender, when he put his mind to it he can play it...one game against iverson he forced AI to shoot 8-27 from the field...its clear that u have hate for marbury...

other than that...our backcourt is nice, all the pieces just need to mesh well....i hope marbury is viewed as a winner after this year...u say brown may not transform the team, but he'll elevate it to alevel where they remain competitive cause if u get lazy under brown, consider urself getting no playing time whatsoever
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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7/30/2005  1:23 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

so much for a hater free thread. bobs...you've hated marbs since your first post...also, don't forget, Frye is a center.


I hate homer and self-hating fans. I don't hate Marbury. I don't even hate Crawford. I do hate Taylor though. That was an absolutely horrible trade, and Isiah should still be getting heat from it.

Marbury's not going anywhere, so no matter how much or how little hate I have for him, it wouldn't matter.

Crawford is expendable, pure and simple.

Btw, for you guys that think we're def. making the playoffs.....WE HAVE NO DEFENSE IN THE BACKCOURT! How can you possibly expect us to win games like that? The only difference b/w this year and last year is the subtraction of Kurt and addition of JJ (which is a slight downgrade), and the addition of some rookies. Nate and Lee will get some time, Frye will mostly sit his ass down for most games. And he's not a Center. He's a PF. Did you watch him get pushed around in the SL?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  1:24 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I honestly think the current knick team is more talented that that Clipper team.
marbs over derek harper
TT over charles smith (yep, I would)
Q over ron harper
frye over manning (yes, definitely)


You've just proved to all of us that you don't know much of what you're talkin about. "Frye over Manning" --- I have no comment for that.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  1:25 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

bob...you said marbury has no heart...are u on crack


Show me where I said that...b/c I know for a fact I didn't. Marbury def. has heart. My beef is more with Crawford, not him.

Please read more carefully next time.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  1:26 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Frye will mostly sit his ass down for most games. And he's not a Center. He's a PF. Did you watch him get pushed around in the SL?

Thats right on. Theres no way that Channing can play Center in the NBA right now, he will get pushed around immensly by other Centers in this league. I'm not really worried though, I think the more he works with the coaching staff and Mark Aguirre he will get better and better at learning to use his body and throw a bit of muscle on but right now there is no way Channing can play Center unless he goes up against an opposing Center who is alot like himself in body makeup.
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7/30/2005  1:31 PM
they may not play defense,but all of them are capable defenders...if brown didnt think he couldnt get this team to play defense i doubt he would take this job...dream or not...Brown obviously saw something in the team..sure more changes are coming but i dont think he'd waste his time in coaching this team if our team had zero defense...we're not an elite team and i never said we were...but we will improve defensively because brown wont take none of that underachieving crap
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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7/30/2005  1:32 PM
channing mos definately has work to do....on some nights he'll be able to play center in da east..other nights he'd get killed...i hope he develops tho
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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7/30/2005  1:38 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

*hater free thread*
Its truly amazing how far this team has come...I remember 5-6 months ago how were languishing over our teams poor play on all facets of the game...our coaching was suspect,defense was atrocious and overall we were garbage

But now the new seasons here and im pretty optimistic, its going to be a fun season..we'll finally (im hoping) see defense and (hoping again) alot more victories..we have a talented group of players now we just got to develop chemistry and have all the players play up to their potential and i feel brown is the perfect coach for bringing out a players potential.

compare this team to the team that had eisley running the point, that team was bad and now we actually have some talent

I hope everyone sleeps on this team because i wanna shut up every body ESPN,Nets Fans and everyone who are saying we'll suck...

In closing this thread is just done to raise morale lol..im looking foward to this year...i cant wait till 05-06 season starts

ok - i quoted this because i want to respond to the original intent of this thread.

Fan87 i'm totally with you. 20 months ago Isiah arrived and we were dead in the freaking water. old, tired, capped, boring as all shyte, sluggish, hopeless f'g laughingstock of a team.

now we got movement, youth, potential, dynamism, buzz, all that shyte. We can go off on all sorts of legitimate arguments about just HOW good we are or long it's going to take or craw's heart or all that stuff, but i'm sharing with 87 on giving props for rescuing a corpse and breathing life into it.

And I have a question for our, as Zeke calls them, 29 enemies:

WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN NATE COMES FLYING AT YOU?!?!?!?!

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7/30/2005  1:40 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Crawford - heart, hustle, intensity? WTF are you smoking. Have we been watching the same player? I'd say the same about Marbury, but he's just not going anywhere, and it's laughable to think he could.

you said ...no denying it lol
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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7/30/2005  1:42 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I'd rather have a guy like Mark Madsen, with little skill but plenty of intangibles, then Zach Randolph, a guy with TONS of talent but little heart, leadership, or team "spirit".
Now thats crazy. Mark Madsen over Zach? Wow.
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7/30/2005  1:44 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

they may not play defense,but all of them are capable defenders...if brown didnt think he couldnt get this team to play defense i doubt he would take this job...dream or not...Brown obviously saw something in the team..sure more changes are coming but i dont think he'd waste his time in coaching this team if our team had zero defense...we're not an elite team and i never said we were...but we will improve defensively because brown wont take none of that underachieving crap

to be a capable defender means you're around average. Marbury, and especially Crawford, are NOT capable defenders. Again, how the hell do you know why Larry took the coaching job? Who knows what his impression of the team is. My impression of the team is that we have alot of offense, and very little defense. Larry Brown can't take this TEAM and make it a solid defensive squad. What he can do is impress on everyone the fundamentals and importance of defense, and he'll walk away with maybe a few guys that really take it to heart. Being able to be coached and to adjust your game to suit the team is a SKILL, not just something any old player has. Marbury and Crawford both had only a year of college, and it shows. But again, Marbury's not going anywhere. The 2 of them have all the talent in the world, but they're lacking in other areas.

Guys like Ariza, Nate, and Lee will probably flourish under Brown b/c they've already shown the potential to be solid defenders and are impressionable (that's key). Guys like Crawford, TT, and Taylor will get shopped faster than you'd think.

Brown just loves coaching. Doesn't matter where. But once he gets here, you'll see what I mean. Not every player can just change. That's part of the reason I hate the "P" word. Potential can sometimes be SOOO overrated.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  1:45 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by bobs3304:

I'd rather have a guy like Mark Madsen, with little skill but plenty of intangibles, then Zach Randolph, a guy with TONS of talent but little heart, leadership, or team "spirit".
Now thats crazy. Mark Madsen over Zach? Wow.

On THIS team.....yes.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  1:47 PM
Posted by NYKniCksFan87:
Posted by bobs3304:

Crawford - heart, hustle, intensity? WTF are you smoking. Have we been watching the same player? I'd say the same about Marbury, but he's just not going anywhere, and it's laughable to think he could.

you said ...no denying it lol

I meant it more for Crawford. He strikes me as quitely selfish in that he just doesn't do the things he should have a long time ago. He's entering his 6th season....and playing the same way he did 4 years ago. That's a problem. Same case for Marbury, but he's the bloodline of this team, and his contract isn't going anywhere.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  1:48 PM
we have two players who play similar to mark madsen but more talented: JYD and malik rose
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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7/30/2005  1:54 PM
You're misunderstanding what I mean by that:


It has less to do with Madsen and more to do with Randolph. Guy has all the talent in the world, but sometimes you have to add by subtracting if you know what I mean. NOT trading for Randolph is the smart choice, b/c while the guy is a great talent and still has some room to improve, he just isn't a team player. He's never adjusted his game to fit the team concept, and he plays ZERO defense.

Madsen would do whatever his team asked of him, and while he has little talent, his impact on a game can be bigger than Randolph's.

Stats can be misleading. Remember that.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  1:58 PM
im not misunderstanding anything...

Madsen would do whatever his team asked of him, and while he has little talent, his impact on a game can be bigger than Randolph's.

Stats can be misleading. Remember that.


do jyd and maliks stats get renowned by people...no people remember those two guys based on heart and hustle..just like madsen
''We don't have the luxury to take anybody lightly,'' New York's Quentin Richardson said. ''We're not that good.''
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7/30/2005  2:06 PM
ya....but my point was I have no interest in bringing Madsen to the Knicks. Maybe you thought that was where I was going with this. My only point is that Larry has a history of bringing in non-superstar quality players that are impressionable and can play in a defense-first system as opposed to talented players without the intangibles you need to win.


I really feel strongly about Crawford being traded. Marbury is more or less in the same boat as Crawford, but he is the heart of the team and will be Brown's biggest challenge...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/30/2005  9:43 PM
once again, making no sense. But, looking closer at the gist of your posts, you should just make this your sig and stop bringing it up every other freakin post.

So, are there any positives you see coming out of this team AS IT IS CURRENCTLY CONSTRUCTED?

Or are you just gonna keep bashing marbs and crawford and proposing random trade proposals based on personality and not talent?
Posted by bobs3304:



I really feel strongly about Crawford being traded. Marbury is more or less in the same boat as Crawford, but he is the heart of the team and will be Brown's biggest challenge...
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