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rvhoss
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7/25/2005  2:34 PM
if we signed dalembart, everyone would be freaking out that he got too much money, much like people on this board are saying philly over paid.

You won't win over everybody, but you can atleast make the case that JJ was worth the money if he is able to contribute 7/7/2 a game.

I mean, he's not the future of the new york knickerbocker center position, he's coming off the bench to back up Frye...kind of a Herb Williams.

So, I say, keep kissing dalembert's a55, but stop shting on JJ.
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7/25/2005  2:38 PM
MLE for JJ is a steal. Now go further by bringing in Hunter with LLE. The dude is still young and together with James, especially when James is not able to play no more, Hunter can step right in. Keep in mine that Frye is not a natural Center...just like Duncan and Garnet need a center to support them, Frye will also need someone to support him too

Soon or later we will have to cleanup the PF spot, Frye will be our starting PF and JJ or Hunter can be the center
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7/25/2005  2:40 PM
whoa...now he's 30.

How old is marbs?

You're flailing in all directions because we don't jock dalembert as much as you...we said he was worth the money, and so was JJ.

SD just reminds me of TT back when he won the 6th man award...I've never seen SD interviewed, so I worry that it's all about the money...I mean, in his contract year he put up JJ like numbers.

SD and JJ are both worth what they were signed for...just accept it and move on.
Posted by fishmike:

sure he can change! Lets sign more 30 year old players for as much money as we are allowed to offer because we can change them!!!
Geeze.. thank god players *can* change.
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7/25/2005  2:50 PM
Who even brought up JJ on this thread?

Delambert got a lot of money, prolly more then he is worth unless he continues to improve.

JJ got more then he is worth, too.

Both are overpaid.

Or you might think that both are paid right. But you can't say Delambert is overpaid and JJ isnt, or the other way around.

Both of them get paid because they are centers, both in my opinon are overpaid. Just like Foyle, Dampier, etc., are all overpaid.

And yes, I would sign Delambert to 10 mil if I was Philly. They are trying to win now, with AI and Webber both aging quickly. They can't afford to loose a starting center who is actually good. And I would NOT say we overpaid if we got him. Because we are not rebuilding either. And if we are not tryin to get under the cap, then what does it matter how much our playres get?

You know what, in a year or two when Philly wants to blow it up and rebuild, and Dealmbert isjust a 10 10 2.5 center, we will prolly have a good chance of tradin one of our future expiring contracts for him lol.

We should just do that, trade expiring contracts to be named later for him right now lol.
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7/25/2005  2:57 PM
do you build teams on numbers or on players?

If we gave JJ $5mm a year for 2 years its a different story. We are taking about 5 years.

I think JJ will have an impact, I said that already. Are you happy just making the playoffs or do you want to actually win? BB is a post season sport... who cares about making just making the playoffs? 16 teams do it every year, its not a special accomplishment.

JJ is definatly worth $5mm a year, its the $34mm that is a BAD investment.

Vin Baker was a bad signing, but for 2 years you can live with the cost. We had no size, and Vin had a monster start in Boston. If he could have duplicated that with us it would have been worth it. I mostly knock Isiah for signing Vin because we should have been going young but Vin did represent a need.

Now imagine, just imagine for a second if we had signed Baker for 5 years. JJ is no different.... they have just as many question marks. Its just bad business and these are the kinds of moves that wind up killing your roster.
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7/25/2005  3:02 PM
excellent point.
Posted by fishmike:

do you build teams on numbers or on players?

If we gave JJ $5mm a year for 2 years its a different story. We are taking about 5 years.

I think JJ will have an impact, I said that already. Are you happy just making the playoffs or do you want to actually win? BB is a post season sport... who cares about making just making the playoffs? 16 teams do it every year, its not a special accomplishment.

JJ is definatly worth $5mm a year, its the $34mm that is a BAD investment.

Vin Baker was a bad signing, but for 2 years you can live with the cost. We had no size, and Vin had a monster start in Boston. If he could have duplicated that with us it would have been worth it. I mostly knock Isiah for signing Vin because we should have been going young but Vin did represent a need.

Now imagine, just imagine for a second if we had signed Baker for 5 years. JJ is no different.... they have just as many question marks. Its just bad business and these are the kinds of moves that wind up killing your roster.
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7/25/2005  3:07 PM
it is not a bad investment if you can get some sort of production out of him. The thing is that we have to have the right motivators around him to keep him in the game. That is the job of Marburry and Q Richardson as floor leaders. Let's not forget that we have Rose and JYD that will make everyone play to their potential. We actually have two squads for next season, the back court will be lead by Q and Marburry; JYD and Rose will lead the front court...Story has it that Q is the reason why Phoenix was such a cohesive team. His ability to get along with his team mates helped the other players to feel at ease. Both he and JYD are known for having that type of personality...
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7/25/2005  3:18 PM
go back and read what you just wrote. Its Marbury's job to motivate Jerome James now? Talk about unfair.

Isiah: Hey Steph.. I'm bringing in a center. He will probably start camp fat and out of shape, but its your job to motivate him.
Steph: thanks.. just what I have always wanted.

Dido... I actually understand what you are saying though, but what I think you mean is its Marbury's job to make it EASY on JJ so a guy that doesnt like to work hard doesnt have to.
Thats pretty unfair to Steph... god forbid the guy actually was surrounded by some hungry guys he didnt have to make it easy on.

5 years... sure hope it works out
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7/25/2005  3:20 PM
That is why I want to force a sense of competition at the Center position. Hunter could provide that...

Posted by fishmike:

go back and read what you just wrote. Its Marbury's job to motivate Jerome James now? Talk about unfair.

Isiah: Hey Steph.. I'm bringing in a center. He will probably start camp fat and out of shape, but its your job to motivate him.
Steph: thanks.. just what I have always wanted.

Dido... I actually understand what you are saying though, but what I think you mean is its Marbury's job to make it EASY on JJ so a guy that doesnt like to work hard doesnt have to.
Thats pretty unfair to Steph... god forbid the guy actually was surrounded by some hungry guys he didnt have to make it easy on.

5 years... sure hope it works out
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7/25/2005  3:46 PM
why compete when you can just chill and collect $5mm?

JJ: Hey... if the coach doesnt want to play me oh well.
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7/25/2005  10:21 PM
Posted by fishmike:

why compete when you can just chill and collect $5mm?

JJ: Hey... if the coach doesnt want to play me oh well.
Hey Fish, don't get me wrong. I think the JJ signing was bad too but I think the Dalembert signing was even worst. It's sort of like the HOuston deal for Philly in my opinion. Personally I don't think Dalembert will be much better than what he is right now. I think he could be a poor man Marcus Camby which is what Cato is right now. $10 million dollars for what he is doing and what he can do is too much. I think if Isiah would have signed this deal he would be crucified and rightly so. Also your career #s are what they are, if Frye averages these numbers after 3 seasons he would be considered by most on this board a major bust. It is all about perception.
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7/26/2005  7:16 AM
how can a guy thats barely been in the league 3 years and just turned 24 considered to be what he is? Thats the part that I dont get. They arent giving the 7 points 7 rebounds SD $10mm, they are looking for the guy that averaged 12/12/4.5 over the last 15 games 2 years ago, or the SD that averaged 12/12 during the playoffs. Look at his game log... when he got minutes he had some very impressive games. When Houston got that contract at 28-29 he had been in the league for at least 7 years.

Its not like they are paying him JUST on potential. He's shown he can put up monster numbers over extended periods, he just needs to find consistency and a system he's comfortable in.
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7/26/2005  9:48 AM
sounds like TT.
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how can a guy thats barely been in the league 3 years and just turned 24 considered to be what he is? Thats the part that I dont get. They arent giving the 7 points 7 rebounds SD $10mm, they are looking for the guy that averaged 12/12/4.5 over the last 15 games 2 years ago, or the SD that averaged 12/12 during the playoffs. Look at his game log... when he got minutes he had some very impressive games. When Houston got that contract at 28-29 he had been in the league for at least 7 years.

Its not like they are paying him JUST on potential. He's shown he can put up monster numbers over extended periods, he just needs to find consistency and a system he's comfortable in.
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7/26/2005  11:49 AM
well, we all know TT never did fill his potential. Also TT has always been a p#ssy. He's never been nasty on the glass or played with the kind of fire SD does. SD is about changing games on defense and owning the glass. Doesnt sound like TT very much to me.
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7/26/2005  11:55 AM
again, i vividly remember this sequence from a game last year...

shaq had the ball deep under the basket. he jumped up with a hook shot, daly jumped STRAIGHT UP and blocked it. shaq got the rebound and went up again after a pump fake, daly went STRAIGHT UP again and blocked it again.

this guy DOES change games.
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