Posted by bobs3304:

Sorry for the language, but I ****in hate the Yankees, and everything about them.


But that, I'll leave for another day. My point was that Stein-bummer is a rare breed nowadays...

He definately is. I could only wonder what he would do with the Knicks if he owned them but it would be quite different with a salary cap that is REAL and not some bloated number that doesn't do anything. Back on topic...

what do you think about your own hypothetical question Bob.. the same one you asked me.

If we land Larry Brown - we'll end up keeping Marbury, and I would gladly take on Randolph's contract.

If we can't land Brown - I think Marbury is traded at this point, and then, in that case, it would be counter-productive IMO to take on Zach's salary, in spite of his high talent level.

Posted by bobs3304:

If we land Larry Brown - we'll end up keeping Marbury, and I would gladly take on Randolph's contract.

If we can't land Brown - I think Marbury is traded at this point, and then, in that case, it would be counter-productive IMO to take on Zach's salary, in spite of his high talent level.

agreed. we need to win the lottery for once and get a player who has no flaws for cheap ask the bulls, pistons, lakers, spurs & rockets

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by gunsnewing:

lets say hypothetically that if we surround Marbury with Magliore and Randolph or Brand, I still think that team won't win a championship. Marbury is not good enough, not enough of a leader, clutch performer or winner, just ask amare, marion and JJ and randolph and brand aren't as good as duncan. I still rather get the next duncan by stacking up on high lottery picks. we've been through the Ewing yrs of being good but not good enough its timeto win it all. its been 32yrs!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/12/2005 22:14:09]

LOL....Magloire AND Brander/Randolph --- in your dreams buddy.


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/12/2005 22:15:24]

not my dreams. I'm just making the point that the only way we're gonna have a chance at winning championship is by winning the lottery and landing the next big thing

Posted by nixluva:

Its not about just having a Duncan type, you have to have a great TEAM. KG is a great player and if he ever gets a great TEAM around him then he could win a title. There's more than one way to put together a championship team. I think Isaiah is doing a good job of trying to build a well balanced, athletic and mentally tough team. Mental toughness is a HUGE part of the equation. There have been lots of talent loaded teams that didn't have the killer instinct. I have no doubt about Stephs heart and if he's in a situation where his team is good enough to get him to a big game he's not going to be scared by the situation. You need players like that. Once Isaiah solves our frontcourt situation and the coaching is resolved. I expect this team to be on it way to a great future.

no question about it. KG is that kind of player but we're not getting him. brand and randolph aren't as good

Posted by gunsnewing:


not my dreams. I'm just making the point that the only way we're gonna have a chance at winning championship is by winning the lottery and landing the next big thing

Ya, but I would never purposely plan to tank 1, 2 years ahead, simply to land the next big thing. That's sacrilege IMHO. You tank when you've exhausted all your options.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by Bonn1997:

By tying Brown and Marbury together, a lot of people I think are making a mistake. Your coach shouldn't determine what you do with your olympian/franchise player. Either Marbury's good for the franchise or he isn't. I've obviously argued that keeping him is the better choice, but I don't think the choice should depend on what Larry does.

Without Larry Brown, Chauncey Billups would never have been the Finals MVP. He pushed him to a higher plateua...

What does that have to do with Marbury?

Point is that who our coach is will determine what direction we're going in. Brown has the ability to change players. Look what he did for AI. And now Billups, who was once an unwanted vagabond in the NBA, is a Finals MVP. Brown would be the best thing to happen to Marbury since Swiss Cheese.

Posted by gunsnewing:

lets say hypothetically that if we surround Marbury with Magliore and Randolph or Brand, I still think that team won't win a championship. Marbury is not good enough, not enough of a leader, clutch performer or winner, just ask amare, marion and JJ and randolph and brand aren't as good as duncan. I still rather get the next duncan by stacking up on high lottery picks. we've been through the Ewing yrs of being good but not good enough its timeto win it all. its been 32yrs!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/12/2005 22:14:09]

We can also just ask Amare who only played the first 1.5 years of his career with Steph, JJ and Marion (who is not any better with Steve Nash) what Marbury did against the Spurs in 2002-2003 playoffs. He was pretty clutch then he beat the Spurs all by himself(averaging 22ppg 38% shooting) when Amare (averaged 14ppg and 7rpg) Joe Johnson (5pg)

Stephon isn't going to win if there are no players around him.. HE NEEDS A BIG MAN THAT HAS MORE THEN 3 YEARS EXPERIENCE before you call him a loser.. he hasnt never had that after leaving Minnesota. Geez.

By the way, Duncan isn't the only player that wins championships, Rasheed Wallace has won 1 and been to 2 and I would say that Elton Brand is better then he is. Like nixluva said.. it takes a team and if you added Brand or Randolph to this roster that would be a pretty darn good team and Steph would have them making a great run to and into the playoffs.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/12/2005 22:33:32]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:

lets say hypothetically that if we surround Marbury with Magliore and Randolph or Brand, I still think that team won't win a championship. Marbury is not good enough, not enough of a leader, clutch performer or winner, just ask amare, marion and JJ and randolph and brand aren't as good as duncan. I still rather get the next duncan by stacking up on high lottery picks. we've been through the Ewing yrs of being good but not good enough its timeto win it all. its been 32yrs!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/12/2005 22:14:09]

We can also just ask Amare who only played the first 1.5 years of his career with Steph, JJ and Marion (who is not any better with Steve Nash) what Marbury did against the Spurs in 2002-2003 playoffs. He was pretty clutch then he beat the Spurs all by himself(averaging 22ppg 38% shooting) when Amare (averaged 14ppg and 7rpg) Joe Johnson (5pg)

Stephon isn't going to win if there are no players around him.. HE NEEDS A BIG MAN THAT HAS MORE THEN 3 YEARS EXPERIENCE before you call him a loser.. he hasnt never had that after leaving Minnesota. Geez.

By the way, Duncan isn't the only player that wins championships, Rasheed Wallace has won 1 and been to 2 and I would say that Elton Brand is better then he is. Like nixluva said.. it takes a team and if you added Brand or Randolph to this roster that would be a pretty darn good team and Steph would have them making a great run to and into the playoffs.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/12/2005 22:33:32]

with Larry Brown coaching sure not with Herb