Posted by Nalod:

WOuldn't that be 2007?

Rookie year: 03-04 1st year
Soph:04-05 2nd year (just past)
upcoming: 05-06
Freedom: july 2007

rookie 03/04
soph 04/05
3rd year 05/06
4th year 06/07
RESTRICTED FREE AGENT summer of 07
5th year 07/08 (if he signs a qualifying offer from cle like stro did last year)
FREE AGENT in 08

2007-2008:
Lebron
Wade
Bosh

2008-2009:
Okafor
KG
Brand

Rose & JYD 2007-2008

Taylor & H20 2006-2007

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/12/2005 16:18:21]

If we are really going for cap space, then it should be Rose who is dealt. JYD and Taylor expire same year as Houston.

If we just let TT and Penny expire, this would be a solid plan.

In 2 yeasr, counting this year, we would be completley under the cap, with Q and Craw signed to long term reasonable deals in the range Mo and JYD are gettin paid now.

Lee, Nate, and Frye would be int he middle of their rook deals.

The only major moves to be done within the next two years would to gettin Ariza and Sweetney to sign long term fiscally conservative deals, and we would actually be running a real franchisd here in NY.

Then go ahead and thow franshie money at a frachise player, be it Lebron, Bosh, or whoever. Preerbaly a big man. Les say just for argument's sake, its Bosh who is sick and tired of playin in Canada.

C Frye, 2005 1st round pick, LLE/part of 2006 MLE
PF Bosh, Sweetney, 2005 2nd round pick
SF Ariza, 2006 1st round pick
SG Qrich, Craw, 2006 2nd round pick
PG Nate, Craw, LLE/part of MLE in 2006

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Nalod:

WOuldn't that be 2007?

Rookie year: 03-04 1st year
Soph:04-05 2nd year (just past)
upcoming: 05-06
Freedom: july 2007

rookie 03/04
soph 04/05
3rd year 05/06
4th year 06/07
RESTRICTED FREE AGENT summer of 07
5th year 07/08 (if he signs a qualifying offer from cle like stro did last year)
FREE AGENT in 08

I thought it was 3 year contract, then he is restricted, since Cle picked up his option for 4 years, that would be only 4 years, not 5.
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Posted by simrud:

If we are really going for cap space, then it should be Rose who is dealt. JYD and Taylor expire same year as Houston.

If we just let TT and Penny expire, this would be a solid plan.

In 2 yeasr, counting this year, we would be completley under the cap, with Q and Craw signed to long term reasonable deals in the range Mo and JYD are gettin paid now.

Lee, Nate, and Frye would be int he middle of their rook deals.

The only major moves to be done within the next two years would to gettin Ariza and Sweetney to sign long term fiscally conservative deals, and we would actually be running a real franchisd here in NY.

Then go ahead and thow franshie money at a frachise player, be it Lebron, Bosh, or whoever. Preerbaly a big man. Les say just for argument's sake, its Bosh who is sick and tired of playin in Canada.

C Frye, 2005 1st round pick, LLE/part of 2006 MLE
PF Bosh, Sweetney, 2005 2nd round pick
SF Ariza, 2006 1st round pick
SG Qrich, Craw, 2006 2nd round pick
PG Nate, Craw, LLE/part of MLE in 2006

Youre absolutely right. If that Atlanta deal comes to fruition, it should be Rose and Marbury for whomever. Both players have 4 years left, and it would behoove us to cut out that extra fat...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/12/2005 16:22:21]

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by bobs3304:

And it would only be one of them...not all 3.
[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/12/2005 16:05:42]

well then we wont be under the cap unless they are all gone, for capspace.

dude, do you even know when our players expire?

Taylor - 2007
Houston - 2007
JYD - 2007

Timmy - 2006
Penny - 2006

It wouldn't matter if Atlanta only took 1 of our PF's, b/c the rest, with the exception of Rose, will slide off very soon...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/12/2005 16:15:32]

like i said before, this team wont have the chance to be under the cap until 2007/08, and thats with trading marbs for expiring deals and not really picking anyone extra up from now till then.

We'd be under the cap by 2007, not 2008. The summer of 2007 is when the fun would really start...

Posted by Nalod:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Nalod:

WOuldn't that be 2007?

Rookie year: 03-04 1st year
Soph:04-05 2nd year (just past)
upcoming: 05-06
Freedom: july 2007

rookie 03/04
soph 04/05
3rd year 05/06
4th year 06/07
RESTRICTED FREE AGENT summer of 07
5th year 07/08 (if he signs a qualifying offer from cle like stro did last year)
FREE AGENT in 08

I thought it was 3 year contract, then he is restricted, since Cle picked up his option for 4 years, that would be only 4 years, not 5.
?????????????????????

the way i understand it is that a rookie's first 3 years are guaranteed, the 4th year is a team option, the player is a RESTRICTED free agent after the 3rd year if the 4th year option isn't picked up (like craw) or restricted AFTER the 4th year if the option IS picked up. and the 5th year is picked up via a qualifying offer making the player a FREE AGENT after the 5th year.

at least that's how it's run in the south-asian, south-east, malaysian pacific coast south east quadrant tropic league - better known as the SASEMPCSEQTL

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Posted by Allanfan20:

That Hawk trade would be TERRIBLE. We wouldn't be bringing in Harrington for his expiring contract. Isiah loves him and would keep him. Plus, this creates a God Awful even worse logjam at the guard position with Delk and Lue, who are worthy of minutes. No thanks to that trade. Marbury is better than Harrington anyway. I don't see what Zeke likes in that trade, but not in Dalembert. I would hand in my Knick card if we did that, and then signed WALKER.

If ATL adds their 1st round pick in '06, & the cap space afforded from that deal gives the Knicks a realistic shot at signing Lebron in '07, i'm 100% behind that idea.

I would be down with that.

If the Knicks are seriously considering getting under the cap, then I could understand that move. But I see no evidence that they are going in that rebuilding direction. It looks like their direction is to get young, tough, athletic players via the draft and via trades with no regard for how much Dolan has to pay the players.

Unlike you, I take Isiah at his word. He has said the Knicks are rebuilding. IMO, there is no other way to end the "1973" chants.

I take nothing any GM says to the media at his word. I judge them by their actions.

He kept the three first round picks rather than trade them for veterans; he traded a 32 year old KT for a younger player (and a draft pick upgrade); he acquired Rose purportedly for the picks.

Outside of the Mo Taylor trade, which is inexplicably under any model, those would seem to be the actions of a GM who decided to rebuild after he couldn't follow up the Marbury trade with one for Rasheed.

What does that have to do with cap space (the initial topic I mentioned that you replied to). You're somehow making a connection between not trading draft picks and wanting to get under the cap. I just don't see the connection. You can keep your draft picks, successfully rebuild, AND have no intention of getting under the cap. You could even view taking back bad contracts as a way to rebuild with the draft while also furthering the amount of the cap the team is (e.g., the Malik Rose deal). This is what Isiah seems to be doing.

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by bobs3304:

And it would only be one of them...not all 3.
[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/12/2005 16:05:42]

well then we wont be under the cap unless they are all gone, for capspace.

dude, do you even know when our players expire?

Taylor - 2007
Houston - 2007
JYD - 2007

Timmy - 2006
Penny - 2006

It wouldn't matter if Atlanta only took 1 of our PF's, b/c the rest, with the exception of Rose, will slide off very soon...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/12/2005 16:15:32]

like i said before, this team wont have the chance to be under the cap until 2007/08, and thats with trading marbs for expiring deals and not really picking anyone extra up from now till then.

We'd be under the cap by 2007, not 2008. The summer of 2007 is when the fun would really start...

ummm, and now wouldnt that be the 2007/08 season?? like talking to 5yr olds.

No, we would be under the cap BEFORE the season started. I see your point, though. From my point of view, whenver someone says, for example, 2007-08, I'm assuming they mean 2008 of THAT season. I consider 2007 still part of the 2006-07 season, b/c the following season has yet to start...