Guns arguments has a ton of holes, just ask Silverfuel. I am going to give these guys time besides a few a SUMMER LEAGUE games before the jury is out on them... geez guys who the hell do you think you are with judging talent? Let the new system work befoe your criticize.

Channing Frye is a rookie and we'll hope that he improves in every facet of his game but until a few years have gone by you can not say whether or not this draft was a bust or a success. Let them play some damn regular season games already!!! summer league means nothing, they are playing against mediorce talent with medioce teammates, I don't remember Ariza blazing up summerleague last year but we all agree that he was a pretty servicable player for the knicks. GIVE THE STYLE TIME and GIVE THE PLAYERS TIME.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/10/2005 00:50:35]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Guns arguments has a ton of holes, just ask Silverfuel. I am going to give these guys time besides a few a SUMMER LEAGUE games before the jury is out on them... geez guys who the hell do you think you are with judging talent? Let the new system work befoe your criticize.

Channing Frye is a rookie and we'll hope that he improves in every facet of his game but until a few years have gone by you can not say whether or not this draft was a bust or a success. Let them play some damn regular season games already!!! summer league means nothing, they are playing against mediorce talent with medioce teammates, I don't remember Ariza blazing up summerleague last year but we all agree that he was a pretty servicable player for the knicks. GIVE THE STYLE TIME and GIVE THE PLAYERS TIME.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/10/2005 00:50:35]

oh so I'm an idiot now. alright we'll see about. Expect to eat a lot of crow a year from now! The 2 of you will be eating a lot of crow lol

Posted by nyk4ever:

Guns arguments has a ton of holes, just ask Silverfuel. I am going to give these guys time besides a few a SUMMER LEAGUE games before the jury is out on them... geez guys who the hell do you think you are with judging talent? Let the new system work befoe your criticize.

Channing Frye is a rookie and we'll hope that he improves in every facet of his game but until a few years have gone by you can not say whether or not this draft was a bust or a success. Let them play some damn regular season games already!!! summer league means nothing, they are playing against mediorce talent with medioce teammates, I don't remember Ariza blazing up summerleague last year but we all agree that he was a pretty servicable player for the knicks. GIVE THE STYLE TIME and GIVE THE PLAYERS TIME.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/10/2005 00:50:35]

I've watched virtually every single Knick game since I was 12. Thats 10yrs! I like to think I've seen a lot of basketball and I happened to remember the reasons we were a good team then and it wasn't become we had a Center who will average 14 & 6 at best!

and one more thing. I don't have the patience anymore to wait around for Frye. If Bynum is better right off the bat you're going to hear it from me endlessly!

Posted by gunsnewing:

so we should stop talking about how well Nate & Lee are doing in summerleague too? talk about flaws in arguments lol

No one here is being delusional about them the way you are. You have Bynum as an allstar already...not to mention YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN HIM PLAY YET lol. All people are doing here is looking at these guys' games and seeing where they could possibly fit in on our roster and what role they could potentially play.

By the way, Keith Van Horn was better than Ben Wallace on the bat. So I guess if a coach favored him over Keith originally, they would have never heard the end from you. Oh, that would only be until Wallace becomes an allstar and leads his team to a ring. I guess that's where it would stop.

I don't know I never call your Anti-Allan Houston arguement stupid & flawed, I backed it up. Eventhough there might've been some questionable arguments

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/10/2005 07:14:34]

Posted by gunsnewing:


And how are my arguments flawed when you wanted nothing to do with Frye before the draft? I'm sorry but this time I refused to accept everything this organization throws at me. I think in the end its going to be the smart choice because I don't want to be letdown and feel stupid again

As I've said a million times before, had I known Isiah was going to have a Phoenix Suns style system then I would have definately wanted Frye over the guys at the top of my list maybe aside from Granger. But had I know I would have selected him over Bynum, Green etc etc becuase Frye can excel in this system. Even when I bashed Frye and said the only team he'd be able to play good for was the Phoenix Suns and guess what, we now have a system just like the Suns, so too me there is no flaw there. How much time and energy are you planning on wasting on Andrew Bynum when all you know about him is his height and weight? He's not a Knick, get over it, telling a bunch of people on a forum that you wanted Bynum over Frye isn't going to change a thing.

You've said a million times before you don't really like Isiah as a GM but you love his drafting ability, well why all the sudden are you questioning it? Do you all of the sudden know more about basketball then Isiah does?


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/11/2005 02:20:48]

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by gunsnewing:


And how are my arguments flawed when you wanted nothing to do with Frye before the draft? I'm sorry but this time I refused to accept everything this organization throws at me. I think in the end its going to be the smart choice because I don't want to be letdown and feel stupid again

As I've said a million times before, had I known Isiah was going to have a Phoenix Suns style system then I would have definately wanted Frye over the guys at the top of my list maybe aside from Granger. But had I know I would have selected him over Bynum, Green etc etc becuase Frye can excel in this system. Even when I bashed Frye and said the only team he'd be able to play good for was the Phoenix Suns and guess what, we now have a system just like the Suns, so too me there is no flaw there. How much time and energy are you planning on wasting on Andrew Bynum well all you know about him is his height and weight? You've said a million times before you don't really like Isiah as a GM but you love his drafting ability, well why all the sudden are you questioning it? Do you all of the sudden know more about basketball then Isiah does?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/11/2005 02:19:50]

just because I like his drafting ability doesn't mean I expect him to get every move 100% right! he could've done better than Camby with the 2nd overall pick.

he bought into the we need a 7 footer NOW because we just traded KT. So no matter how many better players were on the board he was going to draft size and that isn't his way of doing things. He usually goes for the best player available.

if all of a sudden you think Frye is going to be the best player when all is said and done, then there is no point in arguing with you or anyone else who believes that. I'm definitely not going to talk to Silver about it anymore because the only threads he posts on the onces where I bring up Bynum or Frye. He never mentions what he likes about Frye or what kind of play he thinks he will become in the nba. I'm not going to listen to someone who knows nothing these guys tell me Bynum is going to be a bust.

I'm trying to be as fair as possible. Frye has shown the ability too shot and score inside with a jump hook occasionally but all the questions we had about him before the draft are still his flaws. I think its safe to say you have to expect Frye to have a better 1st season than Bynum since Bynum is 17 and Frye spent 4 whole yrs in college

I still don't get what the argument is. 17 other teams passed on Gerald Green if that is your big point about Isiah drafting a 7 footer, there are a ton of questions about Green's mental makeup and you know what I'll trust those GMs and scouts becuase they are the people that are talking to the kid... not us! I've never said once that I think Frye is going to be a better player then Andrew Bynum is, I think when all is said and done, Bynum could very well end up having a better career if he puts that frame to use. There is a difference between being a better player and being right for a system, take a look at Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, I think most people will tell you that Peyton is a better football player but Tom Brady fits perfectly into the Pats system and puts up stats becuase of that, I see the same deal for Channing Frye (I'm not saying championships wise, I'm talking stats wise) Listen, I'm not the one on this board with Briggs trying to make every person believe that the Knicks should have picked Bynum over Frye, these threads were started a few days ago and they are still going which to me is stupid so this is my last post on anything that compares Bynum to Frye. I'm set with the Knicks pick, your not. Good nite.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/11/2005 02:47:52]

Spurs have Duncan & Nazr and they still push the ball and win championships because they play defense, blocks shots, rebound and parker and ginobili push the ball as Nate & Craw will. You don't need a speedy center to be successful. You just need an agile one and Bynum is especially once he's conditioned

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/11/2005 02:57:40]