Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Briggs, I'm not saying he's going to be a bust. I'm just saying that he can go either way. That's all I'm saying.

and so can channing frye and every other pick in the draft except maybe the top 3

and since when did Phil Jackson become an elite scout? The Lakers set their sights on Bynum from day 1 and they got him.

Guns, as I mentioned Frye has to performed well this season or that's a horrible pick but to start this "I told you so" stuff based on SL games. Especially after you are the guy who was proudly advocating the drafting of Splitter. And yes I will not let that go because you going nuts over him (the fact that he is so scared to even stay in a NBA draft didn't seem to bother you), should also be included in your conversation. I guess if NY would have promised him the 8th pick instead of Frye then he would have stayed in the draft. And he would a wonder player for us right? Personally I think the Knicks made a mistake not getting a guy like Green but who knows. But I also thought Petro was the answer so it is all a crap shoot.

This is ridiculous. Andrew Bynum and Channing Frye have the same chance as every other player in this league to be a good player, do we know what kind of mental makeup they truly have? Well we know more about Frye then we do Bynum becuase he went to college for 4 years.

What do we know about Frye? We know that he sometimes takes nights off and that he needs to bulk up in order to play at a high level in the NBA.

What do we know about Bynum? He was often injured in highschool and fat. We have no idea what his mental makeup is like, for all we know he can turn into the next Leon Smith, paint his face green and dance in the freeway, like Leon did OR he can have great mental makeup and be the next Amare.

This summerleauge games mean jack****, one nite bynum plays really well and the next night he only manages to get 2 rebounds off Eric Chenowith, what does that tell you? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. it doesnt mean he sucks and it doesn't mean he's great. We will not know who is the better player Frye or Bynum in the next 2 or 3 years after Bynum has been given a sufficient chance to hone his game.

I'm set with the Channing Frye pick becuase of the style of player that Isiah has turned too. Bynum would not fit the run and gun offense like Frye does and I'm perfectly fine with giving him time to develop a rebounding game, he's shown to be great from the free-throw line and once he figures out how exactly players and teams defend him he will be able to exploit some weaknesses from opposing defenses. T - I - M - E

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/10/2005 12:41:53]

This thread is ridiculous, but without the summer league what would we be talking about?

Eric Chenowith for MVP!!

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by nyk4ever:

This is ridiculous. Andrew Bynum and Channing Frye have the same chance as every other player in this league to be a good player, do we know what kind of mental makeup they truly have? Well we know more about Frye then we do Bynum becuase he went to college for 4 years.

What do we know about Frye? We know that he sometimes takes nights off and that he needs to bulk up in order to play at a high level in the NBA.

What do we know about Bynum? He was often injured in highschool and fat. We have no idea what his mental makeup is like, for all we know he can turn into the next Leon Smith, paint his face green and dance in the freeway, like Leon did OR he can have great mental makeup and be the next Amare.

This summerleauge games mean jack****, one nite bynum plays really well and the next night he only manages to get 2 rebounds off Eric Chenowith, what does that tell you? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. it doesnt mean he sucks and it doesn't mean he's great. We will not know who is the better player Frye or Bynum in the next 2 or 3 years after Bynum has been given a sufficient chance to hone his game.

I'm set with the Channing Frye pick becuase of the style of player that Isiah has turned too. Bynum would not fit the run and gun offense like Frye does and I'm perfectly fine with giving him time to develop a rebounding game, he's shown to be great from the free-throw line and once he figures out how exactly players and teams defend him he will be able to exploit some weaknesses from opposing defenses. T - I - M - E

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/10/2005 12:41:53]

I agree 100%. I just don't think Guns does. He will ONLY refer to Bynum as the next Amare type and WILL NOT even look at the possibility of him being average or a bust. He came on (earlier in this thread) just to say I told you so based on Bynum's summer league performance. So my point is, if the summer league means that a player can be deemed the next Amare because of a good game in your eyes, how about his performance lastnight against Chenowith? So if a person wants to say "I told you so" just based on summer league games I'm assuming that these same games will impress doubt upon that person just the same....if the games mean so much to begin with. Which they never did in the first place.

I agree Thelonious. I just don't know, I guess we'll never get through. I think his main point is that championship teams have an inside prescence but who is to say that Bynum is that prescence, if Isiah scouted him and didn't like him then thats all that matters. If Bynum was as good as Briggs and Guns say, he would have been picked first becuase afterall when do guys his size with his "potential" not go #1.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by nyk4ever:

This is ridiculous. Andrew Bynum and Channing Frye have the same chance as every other player in this league to be a good player, do we know what kind of mental makeup they truly have? Well we know more about Frye then we do Bynum becuase he went to college for 4 years.

What do we know about Frye? We know that he sometimes takes nights off and that he needs to bulk up in order to play at a high level in the NBA.

What do we know about Bynum? He was often injured in highschool and fat. We have no idea what his mental makeup is like, for all we know he can turn into the next Leon Smith, paint his face green and dance in the freeway, like Leon did OR he can have great mental makeup and be the next Amare.

This summerleauge games mean jack****, one nite bynum plays really well and the next night he only manages to get 2 rebounds off Eric Chenowith, what does that tell you? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. it doesnt mean he sucks and it doesn't mean he's great. We will not know who is the better player Frye or Bynum in the next 2 or 3 years after Bynum has been given a sufficient chance to hone his game.

I'm set with the Channing Frye pick becuase of the style of player that Isiah has turned too. Bynum would not fit the run and gun offense like Frye does and I'm perfectly fine with giving him time to develop a rebounding game, he's shown to be great from the free-throw line and once he figures out how exactly players and teams defend him he will be able to exploit some weaknesses from opposing defenses. T - I - M - E

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/10/2005 12:41:53]

I agree 100%. I just don't think Guns does. He will ONLY refer to Bynum as the next Amare type and WILL NOT even look at the possibility of him being average or a bust. He came on (earlier in this thread) just to say I told you so based on Bynum's summer league performance. So my point is, if the summer league means that a player can be deemed the next Amare because of a good game in your eyes, how about his performance lastnight against Chenowith? So if a person wants to say "I told you so" just based on summer league games I'm assuming that these same games will impress doubt upon that person just the same....if the games mean so much to begin with. Which they never did in the first place.

Frye Is our man, i really could care less about bynum or blatche or taft, really those are other teams worries right now..

Good post TKF, even though i only quoted the last part haha. I agree with you about the worrying part but for some people they'd rather worry about who we didn't draft instead of who we did draft. It's funny how this is already a we picked Sam Bowie over Michael Jorden situation.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/10/2005 13:19:50]

as far as bynum goes, the lakers have to be tickled with what this kid is doing. coming in and averaging what 14 points 7.5 rebounds 1 block and shooting 60%? I didnt expect that

Channing Frue is supposed to be an advanced player with experience is getting tooled on by jerome beasley peter john ramos he s averaging 11 points 4 reb and 33% shooting looks lost on the D--i mean he has been BRUTAL lets be real BRUTAL he knows it we know it the Knicks know it sugar coat it all you want but he beter pick up his play.

dont compare bynum and frye right now because bynum has put frye to shame

Posted by BRIGGS:

as far as bynum goes, the lakers have to be tickled with what this kid is doing. coming in and averaging what 14 points 7.5 rebounds 1 block and shooting 60%? I didnt expect that

Channing Frue is supposed to be an advanced player with experience is getting tooled on by jerome beasley peter john ramos he s averaging 11 points 4 reb and 33% shooting looks lost on the D--i mean he has been BRUTAL lets be real BRUTAL he knows it we know it the Knicks know it sugar coat it all you want but he beter pick up his play.

dont compare bynum and frye right now because bynum has put frye to shame

Briggs you have lost it man. Just on that note alone, I am done with this topic, this has not only gone way overboard but with that comment and post this has reached a level of ridiculousness that is so far unsurpassed... I know you are reacting upon emotion because you wanted Bynum and I know you are better than that last post, I will just leave it at that...

[Edited by - tkf on 07/10/2005 14:55:33]

Posted by tkf:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

as far as bynum goes, the lakers have to be tickled with what this kid is doing. coming in and averaging what 14 points 7.5 rebounds 1 block and shooting 60%? I didnt expect that

Channing Frue is supposed to be an advanced player with experience is getting tooled on by jerome beasley peter john ramos he s averaging 11 points 4 reb and 33% shooting looks lost on the D--i mean he has been BRUTAL lets be real BRUTAL he knows it we know it the Knicks know it sugar coat it all you want but he beter pick up his play.

dont compare bynum and frye right now because bynum has put frye to shame

Briggs you have lost it man. Just on that note alone, I am done with this topic, this has not only gone way overboard but with that comment and post this has reached a level of ridiculousness that is so far unsurpassed... I know you are reacting upon emotion because you wanted Bynum and I know you are better than that last post, I will just leave it at that...

why because im telling the truth

if bynum is averaging 14 points 7 reb 1 block shooting 60+%
and frye who is 5 years older is avg 11.7 3.7 shooting 33%
so why are we comparing?

I didnt start these threads to compare any player, i just thought it would be interesting to see how bynum faired over his first few games. it posters who have gone on tangents, starting threads bynum fizzles--if bynum fizzled what the h did Channing frye do? what has he done, so far he has proved every doubter right. Now Im only a partial doubter, im on channings side, but my assessment of his play of his focus of his energy of his defense of his ffense--I would really grade him an F so far. And I think isiah would to--i watched the tape of the Orladno game a couple of times, he played well in parts but if you rewatch it Dwight Howard dominated him it that first Q and then seemed to lose interest. Frye went to the FL a lot and that has been the only think in the SL he has done well shoot FT--hes been just plain bad on both ends of the court and if you think otgerwise, I would say go watch the tapes again.

Im going to keep Bynums name off here, we have to many of our own problems to deal with. We dont need to get embarassed comparing guys who will be on two different plains in the nBA.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by tkf:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

as far as bynum goes, the lakers have to be tickled with what this kid is doing. coming in and averaging what 14 points 7.5 rebounds 1 block and shooting 60%? I didnt expect that

Channing Frue is supposed to be an advanced player with experience is getting tooled on by jerome beasley peter john ramos he s averaging 11 points 4 reb and 33% shooting looks lost on the D--i mean he has been BRUTAL lets be real BRUTAL he knows it we know it the Knicks know it sugar coat it all you want but he beter pick up his play.

dont compare bynum and frye right now because bynum has put frye to shame

Briggs you have lost it man. Just on that note alone, I am done with this topic, this has not only gone way overboard but with that comment and post this has reached a level of ridiculousness that is so far unsurpassed... I know you are reacting upon emotion because you wanted Bynum and I know you are better than that last post, I will just leave it at that...

why because im telling the truth

if bynum is averaging 14 points 7 reb 1 block shooting 60+%
and frye who is 5 years older is avg 11.7 3.7 shooting 33%
so why are we comparing?

I didnt start these threads to compare any player, i just thought it would be interesting to see how bynum faired over his first few games. it posters who have gone on tangents, starting threads bynum fizzles--if bynum fizzled what the h did Channing frye do? what has he done, so far he has proved every doubter right. Now Im only a partial doubter, im on channings side, but my assessment of his play of his focus of his energy of his defense of his ffense--I would really grade him an F so far. And I think isiah would to--i watched the tape of the Orladno game a couple of times, he played well in parts but if you rewatch it Dwight Howard dominated him it that first Q and then seemed to lose interest. Frye went to the FL a lot and that has been the only think in the SL he has done well shoot FT--hes been just plain bad on both ends of the court and if you think otgerwise, I would say go watch the tapes again.

Im going to keep Bynums name off here, we have to many of our own problems to deal with. We dont need to get embarassed comparing guys who will be on two different plains in the nBA.

had to get that cheap shot in there. Ok briggs, no sense arguing this, right now frye has more skill in his pinkie thatn bynum has in that sloppy 7 foot frame of his, I am not going to go on and on about a guy in bynum who none of us really knows anything about. Right now I know frye is our man, and honestly I think he is going to be a great player for the knicks, if you use these summer league games as the true and final indicator of how a players career is going to be then go ahead, but while you do that, just keep in mind that bynum got dominated by eric chenowith, a certified bum, that speaks volume, I don't care how old bynum is, he is in the nba now, this is a mans game, the fact that the kid is 17 and he is huffing and puffing should be of serious concern, heck I mean isn't it odd that a 17 year old kid has to get in shape to play a young mans game? No instead you focus on frye having 1 bad game and all of a sudden the sky is falling. When the season starts and guys like RAmos and Beasley are in the NBDL and frye is logging real NBA minutes contributing real NBA stats, then come see me....

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by nyk4ever:

This is ridiculous. Andrew Bynum and Channing Frye have the same chance as every other player in this league to be a good player, do we know what kind of mental makeup they truly have? Well we know more about Frye then we do Bynum becuase he went to college for 4 years.

What do we know about Frye? We know that he sometimes takes nights off and that he needs to bulk up in order to play at a high level in the NBA.

What do we know about Bynum? He was often injured in highschool and fat. We have no idea what his mental makeup is like, for all we know he can turn into the next Leon Smith, paint his face green and dance in the freeway, like Leon did OR he can have great mental makeup and be the next Amare.

This summerleauge games mean jack****, one nite bynum plays really well and the next night he only manages to get 2 rebounds off Eric Chenowith, what does that tell you? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. it doesnt mean he sucks and it doesn't mean he's great. We will not know who is the better player Frye or Bynum in the next 2 or 3 years after Bynum has been given a sufficient chance to hone his game.

I'm set with the Channing Frye pick becuase of the style of player that Isiah has turned too. Bynum would not fit the run and gun offense like Frye does and I'm perfectly fine with giving him time to develop a rebounding game, he's shown to be great from the free-throw line and once he figures out how exactly players and teams defend him he will be able to exploit some weaknesses from opposing defenses. T - I - M - E

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/10/2005 12:41:53]

I agree 100%. I just don't think Guns does. He will ONLY refer to Bynum as the next Amare type and WILL NOT even look at the possibility of him being average or a bust. He came on (earlier in this thread) just to say I told you so based on Bynum's summer league performance. So my point is, if the summer league means that a player can be deemed the next Amare because of a good game in your eyes, how about his performance lastnight against Chenowith? So if a person wants to say "I told you so" just based on summer league games I'm assuming that these same games will impress doubt upon that person just the same....if the games mean so much to begin with. Which they never did in the first place.

I never said Bynum would be as good as Amare. I don't know what you're talking about......