You want to ignore me just because I asked you to actually say something about these players that you talk about daily? You talk about these players EVERYDAY and never show indication that you've seen their games. Every other post with you is dissing Frye's game and promoting these guys' games. All I ask is that you provide people with an account of what you're talking about. After all most people here have not seen them play. So if you're so high on them, as a poster who is interested in them, all I ask is that you be specific. After all, you do bring these guys up on the daily. Ignore me if you want, but I gaurantee you will still bring comparisons up daily about players you have never seen play.

Point is, back it up. That's all. Every man has an opinion, but you'd hope their opinion is based on what they've seen with their own eyes. Briggs was high on Bynum after he saw him play in person. He talked about Bynum's strengths and weaknesses from that experience. Everyone else here pretty much does the same when they like or dislike a player. You on the other hand talk about the mistake of taking Frye DAILY and you bring up these other players DAILY. It's wrong to ask you what you know about these guys?

Oh yeah, and I forgot...on top of that you're JUST seeing Frye play.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by Pharzeone:

I questioned whether Bynum has more potential than Frye. I heard that he is interesting because he basically a big kid. I mean so was Yinka Dare, and Diop but no one wants to think of these guys when mentioning Bynum's potential. I must admit I like Green but you can't even count the guys with that "potential" have come and gone. From what is now coming out, he had trouble playing against stronger players. If he was a no brainer than he doesn't get past pick 5. The Raptors past on him twice, as well as the Bobcats. I find that more interesting than the Knicks passing on him.

yeah but why did 8 teams pass on a player of the calibur of Mcgrady,, Amare, Jermaine, Outlaw & Kobe?

Outlaw's not a star!

BUT HE SCORED 32 IN A SUMMER LEAGUE GAME ONCE!!!!!!!!

way to pick out the only questionable player i listed. doesn't explain the reaon why so many teams passed on Mcgrady, Amare, Jermaine & Kobe

TMac-his body was suspect. He was the ONLY HS player drafted in that draft. The question may be if Toronto is not an expansion team, do they pass on him too? Definately a weaker draft all around (some of those picks are just crazy) but his upside was outweighed by the HS jump.

Amare-Everything about him screamed stay the F away! I wanted Amare so bad in that draft BTW, but teams were scared off by the fact he went to like 8 different schools, his mom was in prison, no dad, he lived in a crackhouse. All this kid had was potential. At the time it wasn't that PHX made a great pick it was What the hell is PHX doing?

Jermaine-Once again he was extremely thin coming out of HS. Alot of these earlier drafts, the Kids out of HS were a paria.

Kobe-Kobe for Divac. Kobe for Divac. Everyone knew the potential was there for Kobe. The question was could he fill it. He was hyped almost as much as Bron before drafting like 8 high schoolers in the first round was normal.

Posted by gunsnewing:

I saw watched the same tournament every watched. And I would think no one knows Frye better than Arizona fans themselves and so far every knock on Frye has been dead on especially rebounding technique and subpar defense

Guns in that snippet from nbadraft.net, it listed his rebounding as one of his strengths.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I saw watched the same tournament every watched. And I would think no one knows Frye better than Arizona fans themselves and so far every knock on Frye has been dead on especially rebounding technique and subpar defense

Guns in that snippet from nbadraft.net, it listed his rebounding as one of his strengths.

I don't know. I don't pay much attention to nbadraft anymore. After the lampe and tskitisvili thing. I rather listen to friends who watch college basketball and Arizona fans.

Look if Frye could grab a rebound then I would forget about all those questions & complaints Arizona and college basketball fans had about his game but until then I have no reason to believe those questions and complaints were B.S.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by gunsnewing:

I saw watched the same tournament every watched. And I would think no one knows Frye better than Arizona fans themselves and so far every knock on Frye has been dead on especially rebounding technique and subpar defense

Guns in that snippet from nbadraft.net, it listed his rebounding as one of his strengths.

I don't know. I don't pay much attention to nbadraft anymore. After the lampe and tskitisvili thing. I rather listen to friends who watch college basketball and Arizona fans.

Look if Frye could grab a rebound then I would forget about all those questions & complaints Arizona and college basketball fans had about his game but until then I have no reason to believe those questions and complaints were B.S.

how many rebounds will frye have to average for you to be happy?

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Wrong. I watch college ball. The only players I have to read scouting reports about are highschoolers and foreign players. Frye is a college player that I've seen a bunch of times, Guns has not. It's that simple. Also, how does one gage a players "potential" and/or "worth" and have never seen them play? Just be honest and say "this player is a huge question mark and i HOPE we get them and i HOPE they are Kobe and not Bender."? Did you read the reviwes on Lampe and the comparisons to Dirk? Many people tried to gage Lampe's "potential" and "worth" without seeing him play at all. We were just HOPING that he turned out to be Dirk...none of us had ever seen him play. But it wouldn't be smart to compare Lampe to let's say a Garnett when we knew nothing about Lampe's true "worth". But sadly, some people WERE comparing him to that caliber player.

Dude, that makes sense. He saw Frye play in college too actually. Atleast the tournament. He doesnt think the guy can become a franchise player. Now all the other players he listed he thinks can be great, he lists them on scouting reports. If you think thats invalid/not enough you are right. I actually have had conversations with him about this myself. I actually agree with your post right now but your last one called him out.

You actually also said something along the lines of him blindly following another poster on this forum. Uncalled for IMO. He has plenty of basketball knowledge and usually has a reason for his opinions. This time he thinks we needed a franchise type talent which was available in Bynum and Green. He picked that up from scouting reports around the internet. That could be wrong but he would gamble on that.

To your first paragraph: Cool. Second paragraph: ummmmm, since when do people on this site speak for other posters? That, in my opinion is uncalled for.

With that said, I'm not going to talk to one poster about another poster. That's just not cool. Making reference to another poster is one thing, but coming in and speaking for another poster in no way would warrent me to carry on a conversation with a thrid party about someone who I'm debating with.

I'm sure you can speak for yourself Guns. As you have. That's good enough for me.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Second paragraph: ummmmm, since when do people on this site speak for other posters? That, in my opinion is uncalled for.

Why just this site? Why not, 'ever'? You know when people speak for other people, when they think that the other person has a point and they want to help them make that point. I have seen people do that plenty of times. Thats when they speak for other people. That doesnt mean that the other person cannot speak for themselves.

Seriously, he would rather gamble of a player rated high than draft Frye.

Well whatever. But where I'm from, if you have an opinion you speak for yourself. If you have a similar opinion as someone else you STILL speak for yourself. But whatever man. Everyone's different.

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Second paragraph: ummmmm, since when do people on this site speak for other posters? That, in my opinion is uncalled for.

Why just this site? Why not, 'ever'? You know when people speak for other people, when they think that the other person has a point and they want to help them make that point. I have seen people do that plenty of times. Thats when they speak for other people. That doesnt mean that the other person cannot speak for themselves.

Seriously, he would rather gamble of a player rated high than draft Frye.

Well whatever. But where I'm from, if you have an opinion you speak for yourself. If you have a similar opinion as someone else you STILL speak for yourself. But whatever man. Everyone's different.

no you back people you feel are being misunderstood up. like many here do all the time

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

and I will continue to feel that way until Frye proves me wrong. Til then I don't want to hear after single game for the next 3yrs "give Frye a chance" since we drafted him to win now over better players. One which Isiah tried so hard to trade up for in Green. People are still hoping Sweetney losses weight eventhough it is evident he is lazy and likes eating.

LOL that's cold. But what if Sweetney comes back in shape? What if?

Also, what if Frye puts up the same exact numbers Camby put up in his rookie year?
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if he puts up 15 & 6 and 2blks(doubt it) and we WIN over 40games and make the playoffs then I will back him up but if I see what I saw today its going to be a long season if he's our best frontcourt player especially with that rebounding techique and lack of defensive presence in the post. Then again a 20-30win season could be the best thing for our future

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/08/2005 00:21:08]

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

and I will continue to feel that way until Frye proves me wrong. Til then I don't want to hear after single game for the next 3yrs "give Frye a chance" since we drafted him to win now over better players. One which Isiah tried so hard to trade up for in Green. People are still hoping Sweetney losses weight eventhough it is evident he is lazy and likes eating.

LOL that's cold. But what if Sweetney comes back in shape? What if?

Also, what if Frye puts up the same exact numbers Camby put up in his rookie year?

if he puts up 15 & 6 and 2blks(doubt it) and we WIN over 40games and make the playoffs then I will back him up but if I see what I saw today its going to be a long season if he's our best frontcourt player especially with that rebounding techique and lack of defensive presence in the post
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Wait a minute, so he has to have Camby's numbers AND single handedly carry us to the playoffs this year or else he was a bad choice? Hmmmmm