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djsunyc
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7/5/2005  4:57 PM
this is madness...

KG
dalembert
josh smith

WTF is going on here?!?!??

this is a leaked story/rumor, there's no way around it. AND i think it actually pumps up marbury's value b/c now people are going to start calling zeke.

absolute madness...
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7/5/2005  5:01 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I looked at the cash#s really hard and I really believe the ONLY real trade out there is Marbury for Francis. I dont see ANY other team wanting Marbury at his cost, I mean he makes more than KG!
In case you haven't noticed, he happens to be a fairly good player. he could put Dallas and many other teams into championship contention, which would be well-worth his salary.
Denver, Houston, Dallas, would all be contenders if they had Marbury. Denver and dallas especially, they both have a lot pieces they could use to get him and still be good.


Houston is possible, but it would be a talent for picks and ending contracts scenario, i dont know what their $ range is, but it would put them over the luxury tax threshold for 2 years.

something like 2007+2009#1 picks plus our own 2 back next year Weatherspoon Moochie and Howard. The try to move Howard on to another team.
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7/5/2005  5:03 PM
when your team wins 32 games everyone should be available, and its stupid not to assess what Marbury's value is.

Dalembert is the only option (including Kmart who's the same age) that makes any sense at all IMO.

We just got Marbury. If you want to clean the slate work on Houston, Tim Thomas and Penny. Tell me what their role is next year
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7/5/2005  5:05 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I looked at the cash#s really hard and I really believe the ONLY real trade out there is Marbury for Francis. I dont see ANY other team wanting Marbury at his cost, I mean he makes more than KG!
In case you haven't noticed, he happens to be a fairly good player. he could put Dallas and many other teams into championship contention, which would be well-worth his salary.
Denver, Houston, Dallas, would all be contenders if they had Marbury. Denver and dallas especially, they both have a lot pieces they could use to get him and still be good.


Houston is possible, but it would be a talent for picks and ending contracts scenario, i dont know what their $ range is, but it would put them over the luxury tax threshold for 2 years.

something like 2007+2009#1 picks plus our own 2 back next year Weatherspoon Moochie and Howard. The try to move Howard on to another team.
I could easily see Denver considering Andre Miller plus Nene plus cap filler for Marbury. They'd still have K-Mart and Camby to play PF/C and would be replacing Miller with a top 5 PG. (I'd do this deal only if there were something really bad with Marbury's knee.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/05/2005 17:06:28]
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7/5/2005  5:05 PM
We just got Marbury. If you want to clean the slate work on Houston, Tim Thomas and Penny.
sounds good to me!
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7/5/2005  5:06 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

I looked at the cash#s really hard and I really believe the ONLY real trade out there is Marbury for Francis. I dont see ANY other team wanting Marbury at his cost, I mean he makes more than KG!
In case you haven't noticed, he happens to be a fairly good player. he could put Dallas and many other teams into championship contention, which would be well-worth his salary.
Denver, Houston, Dallas, would all be contenders if they had Marbury. Denver and dallas especially, they both have a lot pieces they could use to get him and still be good.


Houston is possible, but it would be a talent for picks and ending contracts scenario, i dont know what their $ range is, but it would put them over the luxury tax threshold for 2 years.

something like 2007+2009#1 picks plus our own 2 back next year Weatherspoon Moochie and Howard. The try to move Howard on to another team.

Sorry that should say 2006 1+ our own 2+ 2008

still i dont see it. I do think that this road they are traveling wont stop until Marbury is gone--we have seen this before--Isiah isnt out there saying he wont trade mabrury with all of these rumors. Maybe the combination of possibily injuries and other things we dont see mainly his attitude towards teammates might be something isiah does not want. He wants a team, and perhaps he sees Marbury now for what he is, a serious talent with character and chemsitry problems.
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7/5/2005  5:08 PM
well if the marbury deal was already discussed BEFORE isiah got here, and there was pressure from mills/dolan to make a splash deal, then maybe marbury WASN'T isiah's golden child trade. from the looks of it, his prodigy is craw b/c he spent 2 months for him.
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7/5/2005  5:16 PM
Dalembert plus is the only thing I've heard that makes sense.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/ We got a ringer.
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7/5/2005  5:19 PM
How about Dalembert, Iggy, McKie, Jamal Mashburn and a #1 for Marbury, Sweets, and Ariza?

Dalembert/Butler
Frye/Rose/Lee
Iggy/TT/JYD
Q/McKie
Craw/Nate

Still have the exemption to work with and maybe we can package TT with a 1st round pick or 2 to memphis for a resigned Stro Swift and Bonzi Wells...

Dalembert/Frye/Butler
Frye/Swift/Rose
Iggy/Bonzi/JYD
Q/McKie
Craw/Nate
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7/5/2005  5:30 PM
the other one is Cleveland if they dont get Redd

something like Gooden Newble Martynas A and a #1 and 2nd rounder

that would be huge cap savings for the Knicks and they get a C they can develop in the NBDL Gooden and save a HUGE chunk of cash.
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7/5/2005  5:35 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I looked at the cash#s really hard and I really believe the ONLY real trade out there is Marbury for Francis. I dont see ANY other team wanting Marbury at his cost, I mean he makes more than KG!
In case you haven't noticed, he happens to be a fairly good player. he could put Dallas and many other teams into championship contention, which would be well-worth his salary.
Denver, Houston, Dallas, would all be contenders if they had Marbury. Denver and dallas especially, they both have a lot pieces they could use to get him and still be good.
I think that nearly every playoff team that didn't win the championship would love to have Marbury (even at his reasonable salary). Some would have much more appealing offers than others though. I still prefer to keep Marbury unless we're getting something outstanding.
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7/5/2005  5:40 PM
the New York tabloids are going to blow up tomorrow. I wonder what Marbury's reaction to all this is. And even if Zeke comes out in support of Marbury, these rumblings around the league lend SERIOUS creedence to the idea that no one on the team likes Marbury. We all already know Marbury can't run a fast break (I've been saying for the last year he's the game's best half court PG, but not a run and gun guy - he can't with his ankle). How many times last year did we see Trevor streak downcourt wide open, flailing his arms for the ball, with no outlet pass from Marbs?

I think these rumors are very real. Frankly, I'd trade Marbury for a good young big man right now with the way the team is built. Whether that's Dalembert, Kmart or someone else, who knows? But I think this is being driven by the team's reaction to Marbury's bristly "leadership," Zeke's relationship with Aaron Goodwin (who is worried about Crawford's playing time being impacted) and the fact that Phil Jackson didn't want Marbury and neither does Larry Brown. This is Zeke essentially choosing to go very young, go with Crawford at the point and get rid of a supposed clubhouse cancer in order to make the roster more attractive to Larry Brown.

This is very, very interesting and something tells me its very, very real.
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7/5/2005  5:51 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

the New York tabloids are going to blow up tomorrow. I wonder what Marbury's reaction to all this is. And even if Zeke comes out in support of Marbury, these rumblings around the league lend SERIOUS creedence to the idea that no one on the team likes Marbury. We all already know Marbury can't run a fast break (I've been saying for the last year he's the game's best half court PG, but not a run and gun guy - he can't with his ankle). How many times last year did we see Trevor streak downcourt wide open, flailing his arms for the ball, with no outlet pass from Marbs?

I think these rumors are very real. Frankly, I'd trade Marbury for a good young big man right now with the way the team is built. Whether that's Dalembert, Kmart or someone else, who knows? But I think this is being driven by the team's reaction to Marbury's bristly "leadership," Zeke's relationship with Aaron Goodwin (who is worried about Crawford's playing time being impacted) and the fact that Phil Jackson didn't want Marbury and neither does Larry Brown. This is Zeke essentially choosing to go very young, go with Crawford at the point and get rid of a supposed clubhouse cancer in order to make the roster more attractive to Larry Brown.

This is very, very interesting and something tells me its very, very real.
let's not get carried away here!
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7/5/2005  5:52 PM
I still don't like trading Marbury in a deal like this only because Marbury is our best player. Someone like Francis would be fine to get back but we can't get rid of our best player just for a center. Dalembert is good but not an all-star. He's a great defensive player but will never be a great offensive player. If this is the best we can get for Marbury then we're better off just keeping him, getting Brown in a sign and trade, and staying put. Crawford can develop into a fine shooting guard. I like a line-up of Brown, Frye, Q Rich, Crawford, and Marbury.
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7/5/2005  6:00 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

let's not get carried away here!

there's too much here from too many different sources. Marbury is going to be gone before this team is finished rebuilding. simple as that.
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7/5/2005  6:01 PM
Posted by MS:

If he makes a deal, what are the chances we are under the cap when Lebron and Wade become free agents?
I think that's what Isiah is trying to do exactly make a serious run at Lebron. Dumping large salaries where he can to take back expiring or near expiring ones with young talent. I guess the rebuilding process is here.
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7/5/2005  6:07 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Bonn1997:

let's not get carried away here!

there's too much here from too many different sources. Marbury is going to be gone before this team is finished rebuilding. simple as that.
We've TONS seen situations where actual sources rather than this anonymous sources nonsense are quoted and the relevant players are never traded. Marbury may very well be traded but I'd respectfully say that I think you're overestimating the certainty of him being traded.
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7/5/2005  6:09 PM
It's somewhere between possible and probable, however, a lot of people do seem to be up for the idea of trading Marbury just to get rid of him, which is senseless. I think he can do well with any team we have and help them out anyway. He's a hell of a player, and heck, I even like the guy. But if we're gonna looking for a deal that's definitely makes the team better with the guy than we're getting and w/o Marbury, then you gotto go for it. And some of the FEW guys I'd consider Marbury for would be like, Dalembert, Odom, Okafor (Which Charlotte would never do). See where I'm going? Marbury is a great player to have. No hate coming from me. I called him a loser earlier in the season, but only b/c I was frustrated with all the losses, and I basically called everyone on the Knicks a loser. He isn't one.

Like I said though, if you have a plan nailed down, and it's for the better of the team, I'm all for it.
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Posted by Allanfan20:

It's somewhere between possible and probable, however, a lot of people do seem to be up for the idea of trading Marbury just to get rid of him, which is senseless. I think he can do well with any team we have and help them out anyway. He's a hell of a player, and heck, I even like the guy. But if we're gonna looking for a deal that's definitely makes the team better with the guy than we're getting and w/o Marbury, then you gotto go for it. And some of the FEW guys I'd consider Marbury for would be like, Dalembert, Odom, Okafor (Which Charlotte would never do). See where I'm going? Marbury is a great player to have. No hate coming from me. I called him a loser earlier in the season, but only b/c I was frustrated with all the losses, and I basically called everyone on the Knicks a loser. He isn't one.

Like I said though, if you have a plan nailed down, and it's for the better of the team, I'm all for it.
Everyone is trying to lower Marbury's value but you will be insane if you don't think that the T-Wolves, Hawks, 76ers, Houston, Raptors don't want Marbury. Wait til after this new CBA goes into effect. Like I mentioned before, I am sure you can get Dalembert for Marbury but you have to include C-Webb in there (no doubt) to me that deal works out fine for Philly, same with the T-Wolves, they will trade you Marbury and some throw ins for Wally but not KG because it defeats the purpose of trying to acquire a Marbury. Hawks main goal is to get a Marbury, especially Marbury whose has a huge fanbase in Atlanta but you won't get fair value (Harrington with a year left, and Childress (who they are down on). To me the only deal that is worth anything is the Philly deal but no way C-Webb not part of that deal.
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7/5/2005  6:23 PM
Slow down on Webber. I would think Philly would WANT Marbury FOR Webber. Marbury runs the best pick and roll in the league, Webber is a fantastic pick and roll finisher. I think a lineup of Marbury, Iverson and Webber would be enticing to the Sixers, especially if they're losing Willie Green to the Jazz as rumored.
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