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OldFan
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6/30/2005  8:04 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by PhilinLA:

With Mo Taylor, Tim Thomas and Sweetney on the roster, can we afford another lazy player?

Probably not, which is why I'm hoping its not James he's talking about.

I think it is hard to do incentive contracts for two reasons:

1) Players want gauranteed money.
2) Salary cap complications.

But I agree with you that they would be a good thing.


No to James. He's not really all the coordinated and he fouls a lot.

Reguardless we need one more center for our rotation. My WISH list goes in this order:

Dalembert
Curry
Hutner = Brown
Gadz
did you watch the seattle series vs. San antone? James was AMAZING. BETTER THAN DUNCAN. James should get a contract filled with incentives. I dont understand why more NBA contracts are not heavily incentive based.

like 4 million base
4.5 million if team wins 40 games
6 million if team gets to playoffs + plus playoff money
8 million if team gets to Conference Finals
10 million if team gets to Finals

James would top my list. Huge 7 footer with serious game when motivated - Can be Gazy, but outplayed Tim Duncan (who might have been injured but still)

Then Curry - although he is Gazy - no desire for defense. tons of skill

Then Dalembert - not as much skill, really skinny, could be a Mutombo

Then Brown - real gazy - Gazy the definition, Tim Thomas Part II, potential is there, can play 3, 4, 5. Small hands. Dumb.

Then Gadz - used to being a starter at Center. Reached his potential. Plays hard but not the greatest talent, would not push this team anywhere.

Then Hunter - also Gazy, but whatever, he's the last option, never a starter, Magic had to cut this guy...
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6/30/2005  9:13 AM
The Wizards made a qualifying offer to Kwame Brown as expected. This means the Wizards could match an offer to Brown as a restricted FA. The Wizards will let him go in a sign and trade. I'm sure they'll want Sweetney if Isiah approaches them which is rumored he'll do after July 1. Maybe we could dump TT on them.
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6/30/2005  9:20 AM
I don't know if guys remember, but Isiah said that he want's to add another "YOUNG" 7ft'er that's a "space eater" and blocks shots.

Jerome James is 31 yrs old.. as is Big Z, although they both could be service-able big men when paired w/Frye at PF. I doubt that's who Zeke is targeting.

It seems like he's on a serious youth movement.. I'd love the idea of getting Pau Gasol, but then that shifts Frye to Center.. and is probably not gonna happen anyway.

Isiah might show the most interest in: (Sign and Trades)
Eddy Curry (Probable)
Samuel Dalembert (Highly Unlikely)
Kwame Brown (Most Likely to happen)

Desagana Diop is a Risk(Project), but could be the way we go w/ part of the MLE- Fits the bill of a young, space eater, and shot blocker)

Steven Hunter (Full MLE.. Uptempo, Strong Finisher-shot blocker.. but is a twig)

Dan Gadzuric... (see Steven Hunter, less explosive finisher)

He could try to get involved in talks w/ New Orleans for Jamaal Magloire or San Antonio for Rasho Nesterovic.

[Edited by - JayNYC on 06/30/2005 09:22:24]

[Edited by - JayNYC on 06/30/2005 09:31:50]
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6/30/2005  9:47 AM
Sounds a lot like Tim Thomas. He was known as a good playoff performer, but sucked in the regular season. I don't really trust that.
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6/30/2005  10:01 AM
Pau was quoted as saying he had to get tougher inside and memphis needed to get a tough inside presence in the draft.

That does not say Center.

That says wimpy power forward.

Kwame might be nice- he's a bit diva it seems, and we already have enough of those.

Someone tough to man the paint- I keep coming back to S Hunter and Damps.

I think any offense we get from a FA or S&T center is going to be gravy- we've should have enough scorers- though I still think we need a reliable outside shot.
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6/30/2005  10:01 AM
This is from a N Y Giants message board

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/petescorner2/forum_display.cfm?F1_ID=154884

NFT: Knicks Trade Rumor : River Vale NJ Fan : 6/30/05 9:01 AM
It is being reported in San Antonio that the Knicks and Spurs are in trade discussions. The original trade was a swap of Malik Rose for Rasho Nesterovic. However, there is word that the trade has been expanded to possibly include Stephon Marbury and Tony Parker. Pop is a big fan of Marbury and the Spurs always look to improve. I will keep you guys updated if I get anymore information.
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6/30/2005  10:06 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

I like Chris Andersen the best.

Per-40 minutes, here is Andersen, Kwame, Stephen Hunter, and Gadzuric.

Chris Andersen (6'10", 230, turns 27 a week from Friday) per 40 minutes: 16 points, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks

Kwame Brown (6'11", 240, turned 23 in March) per 40 minutes: 16 points, 10 rebounds, 0.5 blocks

Stephen Hunter (7', 240, turns 24 on Halloween) per 40 minutes: 13 points, 9 rebounds, 4 blocks

Dan Gadzuric (6'11", 240, turned 27 in February) per 40 minutes: 14 points, 15 rebounds, 3 blocks

To me, either Gadzuric, Hunter, or Andersen is a perfect fit. All can run, all of them block shots, and all of them (especially Gadzuric and Andersen can rebound).

I would totally stay away from Kwame Brown. He's a bum, if we haven't learned anything already from Vin Baker or Tim Thomas.

Gadzuric, Hunter, or Andersen, and the Knicks have themselves a team. Combine either of those with Frye, JYD, Malik, and Sweetney, and you have the semblance of a frontline.
Kwame had an injury-plagued season. This analysis isn't really fair to him. What were his per40 #s the prior year? More importantly, I think he has tremendous upside--much more than Gadz, Hunter, or Anderson--because of his strength and quickness.
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6/30/2005  10:10 AM
Posted by Ira:

This is from a N Y Giants message board

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/petescorner2/forum_display.cfm?F1_ID=154884

NFT: Knicks Trade Rumor : River Vale NJ Fan : 6/30/05 9:01 AM
It is being reported in San Antonio that the Knicks and Spurs are in trade discussions. The original trade was a swap of Malik Rose for Rasho Nesterovic. However, there is word that the trade has been expanded to possibly include Stephon Marbury and Tony Parker. Pop is a big fan of Marbury and the Spurs always look to improve. I will keep you guys updated if I get anymore information.
The Spurs just won a championship and they're going to break apart their core? That's pretty silly!
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6/30/2005  12:08 PM
Posted by Ira:

This is from a N Y Giants message board

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/petescorner2/forum_display.cfm?F1_ID=154884

NFT: Knicks Trade Rumor : River Vale NJ Fan : 6/30/05 9:01 AM
It is being reported in San Antonio that the Knicks and Spurs are in trade discussions. The original trade was a swap of Malik Rose for Rasho Nesterovic. However, there is word that the trade has been expanded to possibly include Stephon Marbury and Tony Parker. Pop is a big fan of Marbury and the Spurs always look to improve. I will keep you guys updated if I get anymore information.

Now why would either team do this? Like Bonn said, the Spurs break apart their championship core, and the Knicks get the not as good player in Parker (But younger) as well as an overrated center. Bad trade for both teams. If you give me Ginoboli instead, on the other hand, I'll do it, but not the Spurs of course.
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6/30/2005  12:30 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Ira:

This is from a N Y Giants message board

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/petescorner2/forum_display.cfm?F1_ID=154884

NFT: Knicks Trade Rumor : River Vale NJ Fan : 6/30/05 9:01 AM
It is being reported in San Antonio that the Knicks and Spurs are in trade discussions. The original trade was a swap of Malik Rose for Rasho Nesterovic. However, there is word that the trade has been expanded to possibly include Stephon Marbury and Tony Parker. Pop is a big fan of Marbury and the Spurs always look to improve. I will keep you guys updated if I get anymore information.

Now why would either team do this? Like Bonn said, the Spurs break apart their championship core, and the Knicks get the not as good player in Parker (But younger) as well as an overrated center. Bad trade for both teams. If you give me Ginoboli instead, on the other hand, I'll do it, but not the Spurs of course.

This would be an absolute bad trade for San Antonio. Unless, Tony wants out. You never know with these French guys.
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6/30/2005  12:31 PM
Actually a French Frye connection sounds pretty cool.
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6/30/2005  1:07 PM
Marbury for Parker? That's pure BS. Rose/Marbury for Nesto/Parker is also very lopsided in their favor.
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6/30/2005  1:10 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Marbury for Parker? That's pure BS. Rose/Marbury for Nesto/Parker is also very lopsided in their favor.

That's true. Marbury's clearly better than Parker. The main advantage for the Knicks would be the age difference between Starbury and Parker. Parker's more than 5 years younger.
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6/30/2005  1:14 PM
I like Hunter also, but he can't push other big guys around...He is a true 7', but he is a light weight. We need a guy that will be able to lean on people and push them off the paint...that is why I think James is a better fit. Besides that, he also has an attitude that would fit well in N.Y.

Posted by Knicksfan:

Taking into consideration his size, potential, contract, age, and the reality of acquiring him, I think the best guy we could bring would be Hunter.
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6/30/2005  1:16 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by VDesai:

Marbury for Parker? That's pure BS. Rose/Marbury for Nesto/Parker is also very lopsided in their favor.

That's true. Marbury's clearly better than Parker. The main advantage for the Knicks would be the age difference between Starbury and Parker. Parker's more than 5 years younger.
Parker would be crying every night at the Garden. NO THANKS. We're adding parts who can keep up with the guards we have, let's keep doing that.
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6/30/2005  3:04 PM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by VDesai:

Marbury for Parker? That's pure BS. Rose/Marbury for Nesto/Parker is also very lopsided in their favor.

That's true. Marbury's clearly better than Parker. The main advantage for the Knicks would be the age difference between Starbury and Parker. Parker's more than 5 years younger.

WHAT?! Clearly better? I don't know about that. This has the makings of a new thread.

The MAIN advantage is that you'd get a MUCH better value at PG... Parker is still years away from demanding a 20mil/year contract.

Statistically, there's no contest--- Marbury is better.

What you see in games is a different story, however. The intangibles. What you don't see is Parker dribbling too much or dominating the ball every minute he's in the game. He gets his teammates involved... and his teams win. A lot. I suppose it helps a lot that he has Tim Duncan on his team, but still, he seems to play a more team oriented game than Marbury.
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6/30/2005  3:06 PM
Steph would way outproduce him on the Spurs. Guys from Brooklyn RESCUE guys from France, they don't get traded for them.
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6/30/2005  3:17 PM
Posted by technomaster:
Posted by Ira:
Posted by VDesai:

Marbury for Parker? That's pure BS. Rose/Marbury for Nesto/Parker is also very lopsided in their favor.

That's true. Marbury's clearly better than Parker. The main advantage for the Knicks would be the age difference between Starbury and Parker. Parker's more than 5 years younger.

WHAT?! Clearly better? I don't know about that. This has the makings of a new thread.

The MAIN advantage is that you'd get a MUCH better value at PG... Parker is still years away from demanding a 20mil/year contract.

Statistically, there's no contest--- Marbury is better.

What you see in games is a different story, however. The intangibles. What you don't see is Parker dribbling too much or dominating the ball every minute he's in the game. He gets his teammates involved... and his teams win. A lot. I suppose it helps a lot that he has Tim Duncan on his team, but still, he seems to play a more team oriented game than Marbury.

What I see is that Tony Parker wouldn't know an assist if it bit him in the derriere.

You want to talk about shoot-first point guards who disappear for BIG stretches of games? Cherchez l'homme.
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6/30/2005  3:18 PM
Back to the question....do you all think that Zeke will try to pry Curry away from Chicago????? and, should he try eventhough we are aware of the health issues that Curry has.
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6/30/2005  3:23 PM
Posted by technomaster:
Posted by Ira:
Posted by VDesai:

Marbury for Parker? That's pure BS. Rose/Marbury for Nesto/Parker is also very lopsided in their favor.

That's true. Marbury's clearly better than Parker. The main advantage for the Knicks would be the age difference between Starbury and Parker. Parker's more than 5 years younger.

WHAT?! Clearly better? I don't know about that. This has the makings of a new thread.

The MAIN advantage is that you'd get a MUCH better value at PG... Parker is still years away from demanding a 20mil/year contract.

Statistically, there's no contest--- Marbury is better.

What you see in games is a different story, however. The intangibles. What you don't see is Parker dribbling too much or dominating the ball every minute he's in the game. He gets his teammates involved... and his teams win. A lot. I suppose it helps a lot that he has Tim Duncan on his team, but still, he seems to play a more team oriented game than Marbury.

Stephon Marbury is 10 times the player Tony Parker is. Did you see the game against San Antonio in March? Parker and Ginobili played, Duncan did not. Parker had 14 pts and 5 asst. Marbury had 31 pts and 10 asst.

The only reason Parker plays a "team" game or is thought of highly is Duncan. If Marbury played on that Spurs team they would win 65 games a year for the next 5 years and probably 4 championships. Please don't compare Tony Parker to Marbury. Marbury has torched Parker repeatedly.
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