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TPercy
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6/22/2021  7:14 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
TPercy wrote:Lord have mercy it wasn’t lying. Is it too drastic to trade up for him?

Also, I've seen Jalen Johnson and he's in shape. But he doesn't have a 4.5 body fat percentage. The Knicks need to do their own measurements.

Actually I did more checking and google has coach pearl at 6’0. I coulda sworn he was much taller but I guess the measurements for Cooper were faulty :(

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6/22/2021  7:15 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
TPercy wrote:Lord have mercy it wasn’t lying. Is it too drastic to trade up for him?

Also, I've seen Jalen Johnson and he's in shape. But he doesn't have a 4.5 body fat percentage. The Knicks need to do their own measurements.

Not to mention Nix clearly looks like he’s worked a lil bit on his body but apparently he got fatter?

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6/22/2021  9:50 PM
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6/22/2021  10:58 PM
I haven’t seen a mock that doesn’t have the Knicks taking Duarte in over a week lol
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6/23/2021  1:17 AM
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It dosent make sense for GSW to take two low ceiling players who play the same position.

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6/23/2021  1:42 AM
Full ESPN Mock(for the first time I think theirs is much closer than Wass)


1. Detroit Pistons

Cade Cunningham
Oklahoma State
PG
Age: 19.6

The Pistons would surely be thrilled to add Cunningham, who is viewed by most teams as the consensus top prospect in the draft thanks to his outstanding combination of size, shooting prowess, court vision and two-way versatility. He's a strong fit with last year's top-10 pick, Killian Hayes, and will bring the type of national relevance and star power the team has lacked for much of the past decade.

2. Houston Rockets

Jalen Green
G League Ignite
SG
Age: 19.2

The Rockets are still early in their rebuilding process and will likely look to target the most talented prospect regardless of fit. Green is the most explosive player in the draft who also possesses elite scoring instincts, and has the type of superstar upside the franchise lacks, making him an exciting prospect to build around long term.

3. Cleveland Cavaliers

Evan Mobley
USC
C
Age: 19.9

The Cavs are fairly well stocked in the backcourt and will surely be happy to add the most talented big man in the draft to anchor their defense and give them intriguing offensive versatility to build around long term. Mobley's mobility, perimeter skill and defensive versatility give him All-Star potential, and his selfless style of play will make him easy to integrate into many different lineup configurations -- including those with young big man Jarrett Allen -- as his lanky frame fills out.

4. Toronto Raptors

Jalen Suggs
Gonzaga
PG/SG
Age: 19.9

The Raptors would surely be thrilled to see Suggs, a strong candidate for many teams picking in the top three, fall to them. His defensive versatility, competitiveness and transition-scoring prowess would fit in very well with what the team already has in place on the court and give them a potential star to build around in the backcourt as the Kyle Lowry era likely comes to an end.

5. Orlando Magic

Jonathan Kuminga
G League Ignite
SF/PF
Age: 18.6

In what's considered by many to be a five-player draft, the Magic will surely be happy to add Kuminga, a big wing who can defend multiple positions and offer explosive ability and shot creation from the forward positions. Kuminga has one of the highest upsides of any prospect in the draft and is a strong positional fit here playing alongside Jonathan Isaac and Chuma Okeke.

6. Oklahoma City Thunder

Scottie Barnes
Florida State
SF/PF
Age: 19.8

Oklahoma City will likely be disappointed to go from the possibility of having two top-five picks to just the No. 6 pick after the lottery dust settled. Still, the Thunder have plenty of future picks to use in a trade if they want to attempt to move up if they indeed have their heart set on someone in the top three. Barnes is still a solid player at No. 6, offering the type of defensive versatility, playmaking ability, toughness and winning character the franchise is looking for. Barnes will have a long rope to experiment with expanding his offensive abilities on a team with significant player development resources that is seemingly in no rush to win games.

7. Golden State Warriors (from Minnesota)

Davion Mitchell
Baylor
PG
Age: 22.6

The Warriors elected to select James Wiseman over LaMelo Ball last year with the short-term goal of maximizing their championship window, and with Stephen Curry a year closer to free agency, they might feel pressure to again take the player they believe helps them get closer to their glory days. Mitchell is one of the best in the draft on defense, an area in which the Warriors fell off markedly this past season, while also possessing strong playmaking and shot-making instincts that should allow him to operate in a variety of lineup configurations alongside their existing core.

8. Orlando Magic (from Chicago)

Keon Johnson
Tennessee
SG
19.1

The Magic struggled with wing depth all season and can afford to take a home run swing on a high-upside prospect like Johnson, who brings the type of playmaking and two-way versatility that is very hard to find. Johnson is a tenacious defender who showed enough promising glimpses of passing and shot-making to suggest outstanding things to come for a team that is willing to be patient with his development.

9. Sacramento Kings

Franz Wagner
Michigan
SF
19.8

The worst defensive team in the NBA could be attracted to the versatility, intensity and instincts offered by Wagner. He is one of the best off-ball defenders in the draft and also brings promising passing and shooting indicators that suggest a very high floor as the type of two-way, role-playing combo forward every team desires.

10. New Orleans Pelicans

Corey Kispert
Gonzaga
SF
22.3

New Orleans had a disappointing season defensively and hasn't been able to surround Zion Williamson with enough shooting to adequately space the floor. Kispert is one of the best shooters in the draft and looks ready to make an immediate impact with his size, skill and experience.

11. Charlotte Hornets

Isaiah Jackson
Kentucky
PF/C
Age: 19.3

The Hornets will likely be in the market for a starting-caliber center to build around long term, and Jackson could very well pique their interest. Jackson is an elite shot-blocker who dropped strong glimpses of offensive potential, which gives him significant upside.

12. San Antonio Spurs

Jalen Johnson
Duke
SF/PF
Age: 19.4

The Spurs will likely be in the market for frontcourt help, and Johnson is a 6-foot-9 forward with guard skills who brings the type of playmaking and defensive versatility that is very hard to find. He'd be a strong fit alongside Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell, while also having the potential to see time as a small-ball center, like he did at Duke.

13. Indiana Pacers

Josh Giddey
Adelaide
PG
Age: 18.6

A big, multipositional backcourt player who can play both with and behind starting guards Malcolm Brogdon and Caris LeVert would likely go a long way in shoring up Indiana's depth chart. Giddey is one of the best passers in the draft and offers outstanding versatility as a 6-foot-9 guard who can operate on or off the ball.

14. Golden State Warriors

James Bouknight
Connecticut
SG
Age: 20.6

Every NBA team is looking to add the type of shot-creation and shot-making prowess offered by Bouknight, who has ample versatility to play in a variety of different lineup configurations. Bouknight's scoring instincts, ability to hit difficult shots off the dribble and long-term potential could be very attractive at this stage of the draft.

15. Washington Wizards

Usman Garuba
Real Madrid
PF
Age: 19.1

The fastest-paced team in the NBA, the Wizards made significant progress defensively this season but still could stand to improve on that end of the floor. Garuba is one of the most intense and versatile defenders in this draft class and capable of playing either big man spot, making him a strong fit with Washington.

16. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Boston)

Alperen Sengun
Besiktas
PF/C
Age: 18.8

The Thunder could seek to add some beef to their frontcourt, as they are a little wing heavy at the moment. Sengun is one of the most productive players in the draft, and his old-school style of play could be a strong fit alongside their existing core.

17. Memphis Grizzlies

Kai Jones
Texas
PF
Age: 20.3

One of the deepest teams in the NBA, the Grizzlies are in need of some versatility in the frontcourt to shore up their depth in an attempt to establish themselves as contenders in the Western Conference. Jones is a versatile defender who showed some promise as a floor spacer to complement his rim-running, offensive rebounding and finishing prowess, giving him plenty of upside to grow into long term.

18. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Miami)

Moses Moody
Arkansas
SG
Age: 18.9

The Thunder could look to bolster their wing depth with as many floor-spacing, multipositional defenders as they can find. Moody is an ideal 3-and-D prospect who happens to be one of the youngest players in the draft, having yet to turn 19.

19. New York Knicks

Jared Butler
Baylor
PG/SG
Age: 20.7

One of the deeper teams in the NBA, the Knicks could look to bolster their backcourt with Butler, who can play on or off the ball and whose readiness could be very attractive at this stage of the draft. He is a capable ball handler, shooter and defender and showed he already knows how to play an efficient role alongside other good players en route to winning a national championship while earning Most Outstanding Player honors in the NCAA tournament.

20. Atlanta Hawks

Tre Mann
Florida
PG
Age: 20.2

Finding a combo guard who can play on or off the ball and complement star point guard Trae Young could very well be a priority for the Hawks. Mann is a promising pick-and-roll ball handler whose size and 40% 3-point shooting will allow him to play in a variety of lineup configurations.

21. New York Knicks (from Dallas)

Sharife Cooper
Auburn
PG
Age: 19.9

While it remains to be seen how much of an appetite the Knicks will have for adding two first-round picks to their already crowded rotation, if they do keep the pick, they can afford to take a swing on whichever prospect they deem to have the highest long-term upside regardless of positional fit. There's a strong case to be made for Cooper as the most talented player available at No. 23. He's an elite ball handler and passer who is an absolute wizard operating out of pick-and-roll thanks to his terrific burst, creativity and feel for the game.

22. Los Angeles Lakers

Chris Duarte
Oregon
SG
Age: 23.9

With much of the Lakers' backcourt depth on the verge of entering free agency, it makes sense to look to an experienced player like Duarte. He is one of the oldest players projected to be drafted and looks like a plug-and-play fit thanks to his strong perimeter shooting, passing and defensive playmaking instincts.

23. Houston Rockets (from Portland)

Ziaire Williams
Stanford
SG/SF
Age: 19.6

Williams came into last season projected much higher than this. There's still a strong case to be made that the tall, shot-making small forward has plenty of upside to tap into, making him an interesting option to consider in the 20s.

24. Houston Rockets (from Milwaukee)

Cameron Thomas
LSU
SG
Age: 19.5

The Rockets have plenty of minutes available in the backcourt, where the team rotated through multiple players in a dismal season. Thomas is one of the best scorers in the draft and will likely need very little time to acclimate himself offensively thanks to the instincts he brings on that end of the floor.

25. LA Clippers

Trey Murphy III
Virginia
SG/SF
21.0

Murphy has been steadily rising in the pre-draft process and looks to be firmly in the first round at this point. He can play in a variety of different lineup combinations.

26. Denver Nuggets

Ayo Dosunmu
Illinois
SG
Age: 21.3

Adding quality wing depth should be a priority for the Nuggets, who will likely be without Jamal Murray next season and will see several rotation players enter free agency. Dosunmu was one of the best players in the college game and looks like an easy fit in the NBA game as a versatile 3-and-D guard with strong competitive traits. He can defend multiple positions and has strong role-playing potential operating alongside stars.

27. Brooklyn Nets

Charles Bassey
Western Kentucky
C
Age: 20.5

The Nets might look to add depth at center with a player they can develop into a long-term contributor. Bassey's versatility as a shot-blocking, pick-and-roll finishing, floor-spacing big man is intriguing, and he has the strength and experience to help a team sooner rather than later.

28. Philadelphia 76ers

Max Abmas
Oral Roberts
PG
Age: 20.1

Abmas would represent another step in adding more scoring options to the 76ers' rotation. He ranked as the most efficient half-court scorer in college basketball, largely thanks to his ability to make difficult shots from beyond the arc operating out of pick-and-roll. His range, savvy and speed should also allow him to see time playing off the ball.

29. Phoenix Suns

Jaden Springer
Tennessee
PG/SG
Age: 18.6

With much of the Suns' backcourt depth entering free agency, it could make sense for Phoenix to swing for the fences in selecting Springer. The Tennessee guard is both one of the youngest players in this draft class and one of its best perimeter defenders. He is a strong, instinctual scorer whose ability to get out in transition and into the lane with his powerful first step should help him carve out a role as his perimeter shooting and decision-making continue to evolve.

30. Utah Jazz

Miles McBride
West Virginia
PG
20.5

Coming off a phenomenal regular season, the Jazz might look to add backcourt depth after coming up short in the playoffs due to injuries. McBride is a tough-minded, multipositional defender with good shooting indicators and plenty of upside to grow into long term. He'll fit the Jazz culture and is the type of player who should be comfortable playing off stars.

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6/23/2021  2:17 AM
TPercy wrote:Full ESPN Mock(for the first time I think theirs is much closer than Wass)


1. Detroit Pistons

Cade Cunningham
Oklahoma State
PG
Age: 19.6

The Pistons would surely be thrilled to add Cunningham, who is viewed by most teams as the consensus top prospect in the draft thanks to his outstanding combination of size, shooting prowess, court vision and two-way versatility. He's a strong fit with last year's top-10 pick, Killian Hayes, and will bring the type of national relevance and star power the team has lacked for much of the past decade.

2. Houston Rockets

Jalen Green
G League Ignite
SG
Age: 19.2

The Rockets are still early in their rebuilding process and will likely look to target the most talented prospect regardless of fit. Green is the most explosive player in the draft who also possesses elite scoring instincts, and has the type of superstar upside the franchise lacks, making him an exciting prospect to build around long term.

3. Cleveland Cavaliers

Evan Mobley
USC
C
Age: 19.9

The Cavs are fairly well stocked in the backcourt and will surely be happy to add the most talented big man in the draft to anchor their defense and give them intriguing offensive versatility to build around long term. Mobley's mobility, perimeter skill and defensive versatility give him All-Star potential, and his selfless style of play will make him easy to integrate into many different lineup configurations -- including those with young big man Jarrett Allen -- as his lanky frame fills out.

4. Toronto Raptors

Jalen Suggs
Gonzaga
PG/SG
Age: 19.9

The Raptors would surely be thrilled to see Suggs, a strong candidate for many teams picking in the top three, fall to them. His defensive versatility, competitiveness and transition-scoring prowess would fit in very well with what the team already has in place on the court and give them a potential star to build around in the backcourt as the Kyle Lowry era likely comes to an end.

5. Orlando Magic

Jonathan Kuminga
G League Ignite
SF/PF
Age: 18.6

In what's considered by many to be a five-player draft, the Magic will surely be happy to add Kuminga, a big wing who can defend multiple positions and offer explosive ability and shot creation from the forward positions. Kuminga has one of the highest upsides of any prospect in the draft and is a strong positional fit here playing alongside Jonathan Isaac and Chuma Okeke.

6. Oklahoma City Thunder

Scottie Barnes
Florida State
SF/PF
Age: 19.8

Oklahoma City will likely be disappointed to go from the possibility of having two top-five picks to just the No. 6 pick after the lottery dust settled. Still, the Thunder have plenty of future picks to use in a trade if they want to attempt to move up if they indeed have their heart set on someone in the top three. Barnes is still a solid player at No. 6, offering the type of defensive versatility, playmaking ability, toughness and winning character the franchise is looking for. Barnes will have a long rope to experiment with expanding his offensive abilities on a team with significant player development resources that is seemingly in no rush to win games.

7. Golden State Warriors (from Minnesota)

Davion Mitchell
Baylor
PG
Age: 22.6

The Warriors elected to select James Wiseman over LaMelo Ball last year with the short-term goal of maximizing their championship window, and with Stephen Curry a year closer to free agency, they might feel pressure to again take the player they believe helps them get closer to their glory days. Mitchell is one of the best in the draft on defense, an area in which the Warriors fell off markedly this past season, while also possessing strong playmaking and shot-making instincts that should allow him to operate in a variety of lineup configurations alongside their existing core.

8. Orlando Magic (from Chicago)

Keon Johnson
Tennessee
SG
19.1

The Magic struggled with wing depth all season and can afford to take a home run swing on a high-upside prospect like Johnson, who brings the type of playmaking and two-way versatility that is very hard to find. Johnson is a tenacious defender who showed enough promising glimpses of passing and shot-making to suggest outstanding things to come for a team that is willing to be patient with his development.

9. Sacramento Kings

Franz Wagner
Michigan
SF
19.8

The worst defensive team in the NBA could be attracted to the versatility, intensity and instincts offered by Wagner. He is one of the best off-ball defenders in the draft and also brings promising passing and shooting indicators that suggest a very high floor as the type of two-way, role-playing combo forward every team desires.

10. New Orleans Pelicans

Corey Kispert
Gonzaga
SF
22.3

New Orleans had a disappointing season defensively and hasn't been able to surround Zion Williamson with enough shooting to adequately space the floor. Kispert is one of the best shooters in the draft and looks ready to make an immediate impact with his size, skill and experience.

11. Charlotte Hornets

Isaiah Jackson
Kentucky
PF/C
Age: 19.3

The Hornets will likely be in the market for a starting-caliber center to build around long term, and Jackson could very well pique their interest. Jackson is an elite shot-blocker who dropped strong glimpses of offensive potential, which gives him significant upside.

12. San Antonio Spurs

Jalen Johnson
Duke
SF/PF
Age: 19.4

The Spurs will likely be in the market for frontcourt help, and Johnson is a 6-foot-9 forward with guard skills who brings the type of playmaking and defensive versatility that is very hard to find. He'd be a strong fit alongside Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell, while also having the potential to see time as a small-ball center, like he did at Duke.

13. Indiana Pacers

Josh Giddey
Adelaide
PG
Age: 18.6

A big, multipositional backcourt player who can play both with and behind starting guards Malcolm Brogdon and Caris LeVert would likely go a long way in shoring up Indiana's depth chart. Giddey is one of the best passers in the draft and offers outstanding versatility as a 6-foot-9 guard who can operate on or off the ball.

14. Golden State Warriors

James Bouknight
Connecticut
SG
Age: 20.6

Every NBA team is looking to add the type of shot-creation and shot-making prowess offered by Bouknight, who has ample versatility to play in a variety of different lineup configurations. Bouknight's scoring instincts, ability to hit difficult shots off the dribble and long-term potential could be very attractive at this stage of the draft.

15. Washington Wizards

Usman Garuba
Real Madrid
PF
Age: 19.1

The fastest-paced team in the NBA, the Wizards made significant progress defensively this season but still could stand to improve on that end of the floor. Garuba is one of the most intense and versatile defenders in this draft class and capable of playing either big man spot, making him a strong fit with Washington.

16. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Boston)

Alperen Sengun
Besiktas
PF/C
Age: 18.8

The Thunder could seek to add some beef to their frontcourt, as they are a little wing heavy at the moment. Sengun is one of the most productive players in the draft, and his old-school style of play could be a strong fit alongside their existing core.

17. Memphis Grizzlies

Kai Jones
Texas
PF
Age: 20.3

One of the deepest teams in the NBA, the Grizzlies are in need of some versatility in the frontcourt to shore up their depth in an attempt to establish themselves as contenders in the Western Conference. Jones is a versatile defender who showed some promise as a floor spacer to complement his rim-running, offensive rebounding and finishing prowess, giving him plenty of upside to grow into long term.

18. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Miami)

Moses Moody
Arkansas
SG
Age: 18.9

The Thunder could look to bolster their wing depth with as many floor-spacing, multipositional defenders as they can find. Moody is an ideal 3-and-D prospect who happens to be one of the youngest players in the draft, having yet to turn 19.

19. New York Knicks

Jared Butler
Baylor
PG/SG
Age: 20.7

One of the deeper teams in the NBA, the Knicks could look to bolster their backcourt with Butler, who can play on or off the ball and whose readiness could be very attractive at this stage of the draft. He is a capable ball handler, shooter and defender and showed he already knows how to play an efficient role alongside other good players en route to winning a national championship while earning Most Outstanding Player honors in the NCAA tournament.

20. Atlanta Hawks

Tre Mann
Florida
PG
Age: 20.2

Finding a combo guard who can play on or off the ball and complement star point guard Trae Young could very well be a priority for the Hawks. Mann is a promising pick-and-roll ball handler whose size and 40% 3-point shooting will allow him to play in a variety of lineup configurations.

21. New York Knicks (from Dallas)

Sharife Cooper
Auburn
PG
Age: 19.9

While it remains to be seen how much of an appetite the Knicks will have for adding two first-round picks to their already crowded rotation, if they do keep the pick, they can afford to take a swing on whichever prospect they deem to have the highest long-term upside regardless of positional fit. There's a strong case to be made for Cooper as the most talented player available at No. 23. He's an elite ball handler and passer who is an absolute wizard operating out of pick-and-roll thanks to his terrific burst, creativity and feel for the game.

22. Los Angeles Lakers

Chris Duarte
Oregon
SG
Age: 23.9

With much of the Lakers' backcourt depth on the verge of entering free agency, it makes sense to look to an experienced player like Duarte. He is one of the oldest players projected to be drafted and looks like a plug-and-play fit thanks to his strong perimeter shooting, passing and defensive playmaking instincts.

23. Houston Rockets (from Portland)

Ziaire Williams
Stanford
SG/SF
Age: 19.6

Williams came into last season projected much higher than this. There's still a strong case to be made that the tall, shot-making small forward has plenty of upside to tap into, making him an interesting option to consider in the 20s.

24. Houston Rockets (from Milwaukee)

Cameron Thomas
LSU
SG
Age: 19.5

The Rockets have plenty of minutes available in the backcourt, where the team rotated through multiple players in a dismal season. Thomas is one of the best scorers in the draft and will likely need very little time to acclimate himself offensively thanks to the instincts he brings on that end of the floor.

25. LA Clippers

Trey Murphy III
Virginia
SG/SF
21.0

Murphy has been steadily rising in the pre-draft process and looks to be firmly in the first round at this point. He can play in a variety of different lineup combinations.

26. Denver Nuggets

Ayo Dosunmu
Illinois
SG
Age: 21.3

Adding quality wing depth should be a priority for the Nuggets, who will likely be without Jamal Murray next season and will see several rotation players enter free agency. Dosunmu was one of the best players in the college game and looks like an easy fit in the NBA game as a versatile 3-and-D guard with strong competitive traits. He can defend multiple positions and has strong role-playing potential operating alongside stars.

27. Brooklyn Nets

Charles Bassey
Western Kentucky
C
Age: 20.5

The Nets might look to add depth at center with a player they can develop into a long-term contributor. Bassey's versatility as a shot-blocking, pick-and-roll finishing, floor-spacing big man is intriguing, and he has the strength and experience to help a team sooner rather than later.

28. Philadelphia 76ers

Max Abmas
Oral Roberts
PG
Age: 20.1

Abmas would represent another step in adding more scoring options to the 76ers' rotation. He ranked as the most efficient half-court scorer in college basketball, largely thanks to his ability to make difficult shots from beyond the arc operating out of pick-and-roll. His range, savvy and speed should also allow him to see time playing off the ball.

29. Phoenix Suns

Jaden Springer
Tennessee
PG/SG
Age: 18.6

With much of the Suns' backcourt depth entering free agency, it could make sense for Phoenix to swing for the fences in selecting Springer. The Tennessee guard is both one of the youngest players in this draft class and one of its best perimeter defenders. He is a strong, instinctual scorer whose ability to get out in transition and into the lane with his powerful first step should help him carve out a role as his perimeter shooting and decision-making continue to evolve.

30. Utah Jazz

Miles McBride
West Virginia
PG
20.5

Coming off a phenomenal regular season, the Jazz might look to add backcourt depth after coming up short in the playoffs due to injuries. McBride is a tough-minded, multipositional defender with good shooting indicators and plenty of upside to grow into long term. He'll fit the Jazz culture and is the type of player who should be comfortable playing off stars.

I don't see the Knicks taking both Cooper and Butler. Also, I have to imagine Butler's stock is dropping fast.

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How are we described as one of the deeper teams in the NBA:

One of the deeper teams in the NBA, the Knicks could look to bolster their backcourt with Butler, who can play on or off the ball and whose readiness could be very attractive at this stage of the draft. He is a capable ball handler, shooter and defender and showed he already knows how to play an efficient role alongside other good players en route to winning a national championship while earning Most Outstanding Player honors in the NCAA tournament.

We have exactly 8 players under contract for next year - not counting Frank who is probably not coming back.

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6/23/2021  10:44 AM
TPercy wrote:Full ESPN Mock(for the first time I think theirs is much closer than Wass)

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franco12 wrote:How are we described as one of the deeper teams in the NBA:

One of the deeper teams in the NBA, the Knicks could look to bolster their backcourt with Butler, who can play on or off the ball and whose readiness could be very attractive at this stage of the draft. He is a capable ball handler, shooter and defender and showed he already knows how to play an efficient role alongside other good players en route to winning a national championship while earning Most Outstanding Player honors in the NCAA tournament.

We have exactly 8 players under contract for next year - not counting Frank who is probably not coming back.

Yes. Found it a bad take and really shows lack of understand of team needs.

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6/23/2021  11:54 AM
franco12 wrote:How are we described as one of the deeper teams in the NBA:

One of the deeper teams in the NBA, the Knicks could look to bolster their backcourt with Butler, who can play on or off the ball and whose readiness could be very attractive at this stage of the draft. He is a capable ball handler, shooter and defender and showed he already knows how to play an efficient role alongside other good players en route to winning a national championship while earning Most Outstanding Player honors in the NCAA tournament.

We have exactly 8 players under contract for next year - not counting Frank who is probably not coming back.

I think they are going based on our roster this season and presuming that we'll bring most of our guys back which we most likely will. A bench of IQ, Rose, Burks/Bullock, Toppin, Noel is pretty strong and will be quite hard 3+ rookies to break into the rotation. Not saying I agree with that reasoning, but its valid. I do think that if we balance out our selections of high upside prospects and instant contributors we could make it work, but it dosen't seem likely.

Also I agree BigDaddyG, Cooper and Butler makes absolutely no sense especially in light of recent events. At least one of our selections will have to be a big or a wing.

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Another take. Why a Knicks beat writer wouldn't mock out to 32 is beyond me.

1. Detroit Pistons: Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State, G, 6-8

Little doubt about this one as Cunningham lived up to all of the preseason hype even through a pandemic-ravaged season. Point guard skills, shooting guard touch and size.
2. Houston Rockets: Evan Mobley, USC, F-C, 7-foot

New age frontcourt player. Rail-thin, but athletic and skilled. He can score, but immediately is the sort of big who can switch onto almost any position.
3. Cleveland Cavaliers: Jalen Green, G League Ignite, G, 6-5

While Mobley dropping might be ideal for the Cavs, even with a backcourt in place, they can’t pass up the chance to get the high-ceiling scorer who lit up the G League this season at age 19.
4. Toronto Raptors: Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga, G, 6-4

With Kyle Lowry on the way out, Suggs is a perfect fit, a heady point guard with Jason Kidd comparisons already. Defense, passing and shooting should translate easily into an NBA lineup.
5. Orlando Magic: Jonathan Kuminga, G League Ignite, F, 6-8

Athletic forward fits the needs of the rebuilding Magic, although don’t rule out Alperen Sengun jumping up here as the draft approaches. Kuminga is raw, while Sengun already showed skills.
6. Oklahoma City Thunder: Keon Johnson, Tennessee, G, 6-5

If you are building, why not take a chance on the raw ability of a player such as Johnson? Already a tough defensive stopper with the ability to get to the rim on the other end.
7. Golden State (from Minnesota): Davion Mitchell, Baylor, G, 6-foot

What team will disregard the worries that he is undersized more than the one who has overseen Steph Curry’s rise to a Hall of Fame-bound scorer? Gritty playmaker who plays, yes, bigger than his measurements.
8. Orlando Magic (from Chicago): Alperen Sengun, Turkey, F, 6-10

The Magic could still get their man here thanks to the second lottery pick. The 18-year-old MVP of the Turkish League has skills beyond his age but still has a ways to go and must improve three-point shooting.
9. Sacramento Kings: Franz Wagner, Michigan, F, 6-9

Defensive-ready, Wagner already projects as a three and D wing and would fit nicely with the Kings' young weapons.
10. New Orleans Pelicans: Scottie Barnes, Florida State, G, 6-7

Comparisons to Draymond Green seem like a leap, but he already serves as a multiple-position defender who plays bigger than his size thanks to his strength and toughness. Measured a 7-2 wingspan at the combine.
11. Charlotte Hornets: Jalen Johnson, Duke, F, 6-7

Walked away from the Blue Devils in the pandemic, drawing the ire of Duke fans, but wisely readied himself for the NBA. Possesses finesse for his size with huge hands, but still raw and mistake-prone. Would make an interesting pairing with LaMelo Ball.
12. San Antonio Spurs: Corey Kispert, Gonzaga, G-F, 6-7

Shot 44.4% from three this season and enters the draft as the best shooter available. He can create his own shot, too, and move the ball, but his strength is shooting and teams are hunting that right now.
13. Indiana Pacers: Josh Giddey, Australia, G, 6-8

Interesting playmaking ability for an 18-year-old, but he needs to improve his shooting.
14. Golden State: Moses Moody, Arkansas, G-F, 6-5

Hard-working defender who can shoot from three.
15. Washington Wizards: Kai Jones, Texas, F-C, 6-11

While his athleticism may remind you of Mitchell Robinson, he shot nearly 40% from beyond the arc this season, which could propel him higher as the draft approaches.
16. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Boston): Ziaire Williams, Stanford, G-F, 6-8

Didn’t quite live up to his preseason hype but still showed some of the steady and smooth playmaking for his size that interests scouts.
17. Memphis Grizzlies: Chris Duarte, Oregon, G-F, 6-6

While teams seem dubious of taking older players and he’ll be 24 years old when drafted, his shooting touch (42.4% from three) is hard to resist.
18. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Miami): Isaiah Jackson, Kentucky, F-C, 6-10

Athletic, if raw, big who should be able to contribute as shot blocker and rim-runner immediately.
19. New York Knicks: James Bouknight, UConn, G, 6-5

Think what Tom Thibodeau likes in his point guards: the ability to get to the rim, size and toughness. You see it all in Bouknight.
20. Atlanta Hawks: Usman Garuba, Real Madrid, F, 6-8

The Hawks have shown they have plenty of scoring, but adding a versatile defender to the likes of Clint Capela and De’Andre Hunter would be a nice plus to their mix.
21. New York Knicks (from Dallas): Cam Thomas, LSU, G, 6-4

Do I think the Knicks will keep both first-rounders as well as the No. 32 pick and hand Tom Thibodeau three rookies? I do not. But let’s put a name here anyway. Cam Thomas is strong scorer who ideally looks like a sixth man.
22. Los Angeles Lakers: Jared Butler, Baylor, G, 6-3

A scorer who has become more of a playmaker as he helped lead Baylor to an NCAA title.
23. Houston Rockets (from Portland): Jaden Springer, Tennessee, G, 6-4

Two-way guard with three-point shooting range.
24. Houston Rockets (from Milwaukee): Greg Brown, Texas, F, 6-9

Raw, but versatile defender.
25. Los Angeles Clippers: Sharife Cooper, Auburn, G, 6-1

Slick playmaker who showed he can score, but Cooper still needs to improve range and show he can defend at the next level.
26. Denver Nuggets: Charles Bassey, Western Kentucky, C, 6-10

Shotblocking and rim-running backup for Nikola Jokic could fill a need here.
27. Brooklyn Nets: Tre Mann, Florida, G, 6-5

Shot 40.2% from three this season, but Mann also showed the sort of mid-range and paint ability to score at multiple levels.
28. Philadelphia 76ers: Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois, G, 6-5

Versatile guard who improved as a junior and shot well on limited attempts from long range.
29. Phoenix Suns: Marcus Bagley, Arizona State, F, 6-8

Suns could stay local and nab younger brother of Marvin Bagley.
30. Utah Jazz: Trey Murphy III, Virginia, G-F, 6-9

Never scored 20 points after season-opener, but he's a consistent three-point shooter (43.3%).

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6/23/2021  12:31 PM
martin wrote:Another take. Why a Knicks beat writer wouldn't mock out to 32 is beyond me.

1. Detroit Pistons: Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State, G, 6-8

Little doubt about this one as Cunningham lived up to all of the preseason hype even through a pandemic-ravaged season. Point guard skills, shooting guard touch and size.
2. Houston Rockets: Evan Mobley, USC, F-C, 7-foot

New age frontcourt player. Rail-thin, but athletic and skilled. He can score, but immediately is the sort of big who can switch onto almost any position.
3. Cleveland Cavaliers: Jalen Green, G League Ignite, G, 6-5

While Mobley dropping might be ideal for the Cavs, even with a backcourt in place, they can’t pass up the chance to get the high-ceiling scorer who lit up the G League this season at age 19.
4. Toronto Raptors: Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga, G, 6-4

With Kyle Lowry on the way out, Suggs is a perfect fit, a heady point guard with Jason Kidd comparisons already. Defense, passing and shooting should translate easily into an NBA lineup.
5. Orlando Magic: Jonathan Kuminga, G League Ignite, F, 6-8

Athletic forward fits the needs of the rebuilding Magic, although don’t rule out Alperen Sengun jumping up here as the draft approaches. Kuminga is raw, while Sengun already showed skills.
6. Oklahoma City Thunder: Keon Johnson, Tennessee, G, 6-5

If you are building, why not take a chance on the raw ability of a player such as Johnson? Already a tough defensive stopper with the ability to get to the rim on the other end.
7. Golden State (from Minnesota): Davion Mitchell, Baylor, G, 6-foot

What team will disregard the worries that he is undersized more than the one who has overseen Steph Curry’s rise to a Hall of Fame-bound scorer? Gritty playmaker who plays, yes, bigger than his measurements.
8. Orlando Magic (from Chicago): Alperen Sengun, Turkey, F, 6-10

The Magic could still get their man here thanks to the second lottery pick. The 18-year-old MVP of the Turkish League has skills beyond his age but still has a ways to go and must improve three-point shooting.
9. Sacramento Kings: Franz Wagner, Michigan, F, 6-9

Defensive-ready, Wagner already projects as a three and D wing and would fit nicely with the Kings' young weapons.
10. New Orleans Pelicans: Scottie Barnes, Florida State, G, 6-7

Comparisons to Draymond Green seem like a leap, but he already serves as a multiple-position defender who plays bigger than his size thanks to his strength and toughness. Measured a 7-2 wingspan at the combine.
11. Charlotte Hornets: Jalen Johnson, Duke, F, 6-7

Walked away from the Blue Devils in the pandemic, drawing the ire of Duke fans, but wisely readied himself for the NBA. Possesses finesse for his size with huge hands, but still raw and mistake-prone. Would make an interesting pairing with LaMelo Ball.
12. San Antonio Spurs: Corey Kispert, Gonzaga, G-F, 6-7

Shot 44.4% from three this season and enters the draft as the best shooter available. He can create his own shot, too, and move the ball, but his strength is shooting and teams are hunting that right now.
13. Indiana Pacers: Josh Giddey, Australia, G, 6-8

Interesting playmaking ability for an 18-year-old, but he needs to improve his shooting.
14. Golden State: Moses Moody, Arkansas, G-F, 6-5

Hard-working defender who can shoot from three.
15. Washington Wizards: Kai Jones, Texas, F-C, 6-11

While his athleticism may remind you of Mitchell Robinson, he shot nearly 40% from beyond the arc this season, which could propel him higher as the draft approaches.
16. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Boston): Ziaire Williams, Stanford, G-F, 6-8

Didn’t quite live up to his preseason hype but still showed some of the steady and smooth playmaking for his size that interests scouts.
17. Memphis Grizzlies: Chris Duarte, Oregon, G-F, 6-6

While teams seem dubious of taking older players and he’ll be 24 years old when drafted, his shooting touch (42.4% from three) is hard to resist.
18. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Miami): Isaiah Jackson, Kentucky, F-C, 6-10

Athletic, if raw, big who should be able to contribute as shot blocker and rim-runner immediately.
19. New York Knicks: James Bouknight, UConn, G, 6-5

Think what Tom Thibodeau likes in his point guards: the ability to get to the rim, size and toughness. You see it all in Bouknight.
20. Atlanta Hawks: Usman Garuba, Real Madrid, F, 6-8

The Hawks have shown they have plenty of scoring, but adding a versatile defender to the likes of Clint Capela and De’Andre Hunter would be a nice plus to their mix.
21. New York Knicks (from Dallas): Cam Thomas, LSU, G, 6-4

Do I think the Knicks will keep both first-rounders as well as the No. 32 pick and hand Tom Thibodeau three rookies? I do not. But let’s put a name here anyway. Cam Thomas is strong scorer who ideally looks like a sixth man.
22. Los Angeles Lakers: Jared Butler, Baylor, G, 6-3

A scorer who has become more of a playmaker as he helped lead Baylor to an NCAA title.
23. Houston Rockets (from Portland): Jaden Springer, Tennessee, G, 6-4

Two-way guard with three-point shooting range.
24. Houston Rockets (from Milwaukee): Greg Brown, Texas, F, 6-9

Raw, but versatile defender.
25. Los Angeles Clippers: Sharife Cooper, Auburn, G, 6-1

Slick playmaker who showed he can score, but Cooper still needs to improve range and show he can defend at the next level.
26. Denver Nuggets: Charles Bassey, Western Kentucky, C, 6-10

Shotblocking and rim-running backup for Nikola Jokic could fill a need here.
27. Brooklyn Nets: Tre Mann, Florida, G, 6-5

Shot 40.2% from three this season, but Mann also showed the sort of mid-range and paint ability to score at multiple levels.
28. Philadelphia 76ers: Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois, G, 6-5

Versatile guard who improved as a junior and shot well on limited attempts from long range.
29. Phoenix Suns: Marcus Bagley, Arizona State, F, 6-8

Suns could stay local and nab younger brother of Marvin Bagley.
30. Utah Jazz: Trey Murphy III, Virginia, G-F, 6-9

Never scored 20 points after season-opener, but he's a consistent three-point shooter (43.3%).


Nice. Bouknight and Thomas dosent make much sense but swap out Thomas with a big and I’m fine with that.
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6/23/2021  1:49 PM
martin wrote:Another take. Why a Knicks beat writer wouldn't mock out to 32 is beyond me.

1. Detroit Pistons: Cade Cunningham, Oklahoma State, G, 6-8

Little doubt about this one as Cunningham lived up to all of the preseason hype even through a pandemic-ravaged season. Point guard skills, shooting guard touch and size.
2. Houston Rockets: Evan Mobley, USC, F-C, 7-foot

New age frontcourt player. Rail-thin, but athletic and skilled. He can score, but immediately is the sort of big who can switch onto almost any position.
3. Cleveland Cavaliers: Jalen Green, G League Ignite, G, 6-5

While Mobley dropping might be ideal for the Cavs, even with a backcourt in place, they can’t pass up the chance to get the high-ceiling scorer who lit up the G League this season at age 19.
4. Toronto Raptors: Jalen Suggs, Gonzaga, G, 6-4

With Kyle Lowry on the way out, Suggs is a perfect fit, a heady point guard with Jason Kidd comparisons already. Defense, passing and shooting should translate easily into an NBA lineup.
5. Orlando Magic: Jonathan Kuminga, G League Ignite, F, 6-8

Athletic forward fits the needs of the rebuilding Magic, although don’t rule out Alperen Sengun jumping up here as the draft approaches. Kuminga is raw, while Sengun already showed skills.
6. Oklahoma City Thunder: Keon Johnson, Tennessee, G, 6-5

If you are building, why not take a chance on the raw ability of a player such as Johnson? Already a tough defensive stopper with the ability to get to the rim on the other end.
7. Golden State (from Minnesota): Davion Mitchell, Baylor, G, 6-foot

What team will disregard the worries that he is undersized more than the one who has overseen Steph Curry’s rise to a Hall of Fame-bound scorer? Gritty playmaker who plays, yes, bigger than his measurements.
8. Orlando Magic (from Chicago): Alperen Sengun, Turkey, F, 6-10

The Magic could still get their man here thanks to the second lottery pick. The 18-year-old MVP of the Turkish League has skills beyond his age but still has a ways to go and must improve three-point shooting.
9. Sacramento Kings: Franz Wagner, Michigan, F, 6-9

Defensive-ready, Wagner already projects as a three and D wing and would fit nicely with the Kings' young weapons.
10. New Orleans Pelicans: Scottie Barnes, Florida State, G, 6-7

Comparisons to Draymond Green seem like a leap, but he already serves as a multiple-position defender who plays bigger than his size thanks to his strength and toughness. Measured a 7-2 wingspan at the combine.
11. Charlotte Hornets: Jalen Johnson, Duke, F, 6-7

Walked away from the Blue Devils in the pandemic, drawing the ire of Duke fans, but wisely readied himself for the NBA. Possesses finesse for his size with huge hands, but still raw and mistake-prone. Would make an interesting pairing with LaMelo Ball.
12. San Antonio Spurs: Corey Kispert, Gonzaga, G-F, 6-7

Shot 44.4% from three this season and enters the draft as the best shooter available. He can create his own shot, too, and move the ball, but his strength is shooting and teams are hunting that right now.
13. Indiana Pacers: Josh Giddey, Australia, G, 6-8

Interesting playmaking ability for an 18-year-old, but he needs to improve his shooting.
14. Golden State: Moses Moody, Arkansas, G-F, 6-5

Hard-working defender who can shoot from three.
15. Washington Wizards: Kai Jones, Texas, F-C, 6-11

While his athleticism may remind you of Mitchell Robinson, he shot nearly 40% from beyond the arc this season, which could propel him higher as the draft approaches.
16. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Boston): Ziaire Williams, Stanford, G-F, 6-8

Didn’t quite live up to his preseason hype but still showed some of the steady and smooth playmaking for his size that interests scouts.
17. Memphis Grizzlies: Chris Duarte, Oregon, G-F, 6-6

While teams seem dubious of taking older players and he’ll be 24 years old when drafted, his shooting touch (42.4% from three) is hard to resist.
18. Oklahoma City Thunder (from Miami): Isaiah Jackson, Kentucky, F-C, 6-10

Athletic, if raw, big who should be able to contribute as shot blocker and rim-runner immediately.
19. New York Knicks: James Bouknight, UConn, G, 6-5

Think what Tom Thibodeau likes in his point guards: the ability to get to the rim, size and toughness. You see it all in Bouknight.
20. Atlanta Hawks: Usman Garuba, Real Madrid, F, 6-8

The Hawks have shown they have plenty of scoring, but adding a versatile defender to the likes of Clint Capela and De’Andre Hunter would be a nice plus to their mix.
21. New York Knicks (from Dallas): Cam Thomas, LSU, G, 6-4

Do I think the Knicks will keep both first-rounders as well as the No. 32 pick and hand Tom Thibodeau three rookies? I do not. But let’s put a name here anyway. Cam Thomas is strong scorer who ideally looks like a sixth man.
22. Los Angeles Lakers: Jared Butler, Baylor, G, 6-3

A scorer who has become more of a playmaker as he helped lead Baylor to an NCAA title.
23. Houston Rockets (from Portland): Jaden Springer, Tennessee, G, 6-4

Two-way guard with three-point shooting range.
24. Houston Rockets (from Milwaukee): Greg Brown, Texas, F, 6-9

Raw, but versatile defender.
25. Los Angeles Clippers: Sharife Cooper, Auburn, G, 6-1

Slick playmaker who showed he can score, but Cooper still needs to improve range and show he can defend at the next level.
26. Denver Nuggets: Charles Bassey, Western Kentucky, C, 6-10

Shotblocking and rim-running backup for Nikola Jokic could fill a need here.
27. Brooklyn Nets: Tre Mann, Florida, G, 6-5

Shot 40.2% from three this season, but Mann also showed the sort of mid-range and paint ability to score at multiple levels.
28. Philadelphia 76ers: Ayo Dosunmu, Illinois, G, 6-5

Versatile guard who improved as a junior and shot well on limited attempts from long range.
29. Phoenix Suns: Marcus Bagley, Arizona State, F, 6-8

Suns could stay local and nab younger brother of Marvin Bagley.
30. Utah Jazz: Trey Murphy III, Virginia, G-F, 6-9

Never scored 20 points after season-opener, but he's a consistent three-point shooter (43.3%).

I don't understand why mocks are saying Bouknight is a target because we needs a point guard. I like Bouk and wouldn't mind him, but I definitely don't see him as a PG right now.

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6/23/2021  1:55 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I don't understand why mocks are saying Bouknight is a target because we needs a point guard. I like Bouk and wouldn't mind him, but I definitely don't see him as a PG right now.

Ability to put ball on floor and get to rim, Knicks don't really have that type of slasher/breakdown guy who can just get his own.

Knicks still need a PG too

Knicks got a lot of needs

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6/23/2021  2:01 PM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I don't understand why mocks are saying Bouknight is a target because we needs a point guard. I like Bouk and wouldn't mind him, but I definitely don't see him as a PG right now.

Ability to put ball on floor and get to rim, Knicks don't really have that type of slasher/breakdown guy who can just get his own.

Knicks still need a PG too

Knicks got a lot of needs

I get that. Just don't see the reasoning behind the pick a few of these mocks have used. If they said the Knicks valued Bouk's shot creation skills and athleticism, I'd say:"Yeah, that makes sense." But calling him a PG, when even Bouk acknowledged he needs to work on decision making, makes me wonder if these guys know what they're talking about.

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6/23/2021  2:09 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I don't understand why mocks are saying Bouknight is a target because we needs a point guard. I like Bouk and wouldn't mind him, but I definitely don't see him as a PG right now.

Ability to put ball on floor and get to rim, Knicks don't really have that type of slasher/breakdown guy who can just get his own.

Knicks still need a PG too

Knicks got a lot of needs

I get that. Just don't see the reasoning behind the pick a few of these mocks have used. If they said the Knicks valued Bouk's shot creation skills and athleticism, I'd say:"Yeah, that makes sense." But calling him a PG, when even Bouk acknowledged he needs to work on decision making, makes me wonder if these guys know what they're talking about.

Yeah it's poorly worded. Just feel like it's the Get to the rim part and not the PG part they are referring to, cause you know, RJ really can't and that's all Thibs wanted from Rose and Elf

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6/23/2021  2:32 PM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I don't understand why mocks are saying Bouknight is a target because we needs a point guard. I like Bouk and wouldn't mind him, but I definitely don't see him as a PG right now.

Ability to put ball on floor and get to rim, Knicks don't really have that type of slasher/breakdown guy who can just get his own.

Knicks still need a PG too

Knicks got a lot of needs

I get that. Just don't see the reasoning behind the pick a few of these mocks have used. If they said the Knicks valued Bouk's shot creation skills and athleticism, I'd say:"Yeah, that makes sense." But calling him a PG, when even Bouk acknowledged he needs to work on decision making, makes me wonder if these guys know what they're talking about.

Yeah it's poorly worded. Just feel like it's the Get to the rim part and not the PG part they are referring to, cause you know, RJ really can't and that's all Thibs wanted from Rose and Elf

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