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BigDaddyG
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8/24/2020  6:40 PM
Chandler wrote:
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Chandler wrote:
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I'm really high on Onyeka. Have him rated higher than Wiseman and don't even see him lasting 7 when it's all said and done. We're in no position to make our lottery selection based on need. Sure, if you have two guys rated similarly you pick the one who fits best. But I'd definitely draft Oneyka if he fell to us.

GM is going to need some brass ones to pick Onyeka in the lottery IMO. I've seen some stats which look great and i've seen some write ups about a 6' 9" guy with no game beyond 6' and has tunnel vision (flashbacks to Biyombo). and i don't have a clue if he can guard away from the basket (complete aside: for all of my doubts about whether Thibs was the right choice i am most excited about what he'll do with Mitch followed closely about what he'll do with Frank)

Not Biyombo. He can move a little off the dribble, better hands, already has a better understanding of when to dive to the hoop and has way better lateral quickness. Yeah, he has some holes to fill, but so does every one in the top 10.


I don't for a second dispute your judgment and actually really look forward to your posts!!

just saying the GM will need nads and need to be right because there will be naysayers

i saw something someplace about the guy for some efficiency statwhich had him up there with KAT etc. plus he always seems to be underappreciated...

i don't know enough about college hoops to add anything intelligent. The last time i was a college hoop junkie i thought guys like Derrick Chievous and Willie Glass were can't miss. I suspect you're now saying, "who?" which is my point. I even sucked when i followed college

No worries. I acknowledge he has holes in his game and look forward to these back and forth conversations. The truth is that no one really knows. I thought Okafor was going to be a stud and Devin Booked was going to be a solid 15 ppg scorer. That's why you need the to talk about the positives and negatives of each prospect. Even then, we'll still never know until they suit up. I imagine and hope that's what our scouts are doing now.

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8/24/2020  9:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/24/2020  9:54 PM
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TripleThreat wrote:San Antonio and Detroit are talking now about flipping positions.

Couple of teams , including Warriors to move back, talking to Cavs to get in front of Atlanta. What the Hawks do will likely swing the 2nd Tier of the draft.

Warriors talking to Wizards (Beal)

Growing buzz on Amar Sylla as a stash developmental prospect. Guy is really raw but some interesting tools there.

Busiest phone line is in Philly ( their stash of 2nd rounders)

Hearing more and more things right now connecting Knicks to Maxey

I'm sure Warriors want to push Wiggins to Wizards in a Beal deal. Wiggins doesn't make sense to the Wizards given their current roster construction, but he's better than nothing. Maxey rumors make sense with our Kentucky connection. Wouldn't be in love with this pick since I feel there will still be players with higher ceilings/floors at that spot.

If Maxey is the target, we need to trade back and get value for the pick. I like Maxey, but not at 8.

His skill set translates really well with the way the game is played in the NBA. Can create his own shot, finishes really well at the rim, is a much better shooter than his numbers say, has a high motor and can be a tenacious on ball defender. He has the potential to be this years Donovan Mitchell. And end of the lotto pick that in several years will end up being one of the top 5 players picked this year.


Let's say the scouting department is deadset on a guard and Kira, Cole and Maxey are left on the board. Gun to your head, who do you pick? I'm leaning Cole now, but that could easily change.

I think Cole is underrated on this board for the most part. I think he is better than what he showed on probably the worst UNC team I've seen since Matt Dohtrey's team in 01-02. He's a modern lead/scoring guard who can shoot and play off the ball. The main issue with Cole is his lack of vision and he struggles to finish through contact at times.

Maxey is a better finisher at the rim and he's a better defender. Love Maxey's motor and seems to have a chip on his shoulder. It's close! At 8, I would pick Cole over Maxey. Cole is just a flat-out better scorer and shooter. Cole knows how to create room for for his shot with the side-step and step back which is a must for lead guards in the way the game is played today. I'm a big fan of Maxey as well and I wouldn't be mad if we traded back to get him.

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8/25/2020  9:19 AM
My updated targets for each pick

8 Vassell, Haliburton, Anthony, Nesmith
27 Bane, T Bey, T Terry, Winston
38 Quickly, Prichard, Nwora, Tillie, Tre Jones

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8/25/2020  9:38 AM
Someone brought up Tyler Terry not sure if it was in this thread or another. But the more I watch of him the more intrigued I get. He has all the craft and shooting that we have seen excell in this league. And he fits in perfectly with what Frank & RJ bring to the table in the backcourt.
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8/25/2020  10:13 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:Someone brought up Tyler Terry not sure if it was in this thread or another. But the more I watch of him the more intrigued I get. He has all the craft and shooting that we have seen excell in this league. And he fits in perfectly with what Frank & RJ bring to the table in the backcourt.

How would you compare him to o someone like Desmond Bane? I see them both filling similar roles offensively, with Bane giving you more on defensive. I agree that Terry is the better shot creator tho.

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8/25/2020  10:39 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Someone brought up Tyler Terry not sure if it was in this thread or another. But the more I watch of him the more intrigued I get. He has all the craft and shooting that we have seen excell in this league. And he fits in perfectly with what Frank & RJ bring to the table in the backcourt.

How would you compare him to o someone like Desmond Bane? I see them both filling similar roles offensively, with Bane giving you more on defensive. I agree that Terry is the better shot creator tho.

Not as fluid or crafty with the ball.

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8/25/2020  11:23 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
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newyorknewyork wrote:Someone brought up Tyler Terry not sure if it was in this thread or another. But the more I watch of him the more intrigued I get. He has all the craft and shooting that we have seen excell in this league. And he fits in perfectly with what Frank & RJ bring to the table in the backcourt.

How would you compare him to o someone like Desmond Bane? I see them both filling similar roles offensively, with Bane giving you more on defensive. I agree that Terry is the better shot creator tho.

Not as fluid or crafty with the ball.


Agree. The question is will that craft be enough to compensate for an athlete who is just solid. If not you're just looking at an Eddie House type. If it does translate, you're looking at possibly a Seth Curry type. Bane, in terms of his position, could give you something similar to Dot. A guy who can potentially guard all three perimeter positions, depending on the particular matchup.
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8/26/2020  9:41 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:Someone brought up Tyler Terry not sure if it was in this thread or another. But the more I watch of him the more intrigued I get. He has all the craft and shooting that we have seen excell in this league. And he fits in perfectly with what Frank & RJ bring to the table in the backcourt.

Tyrell Terry is a poor mans Trae Young. Has some of what we need...

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8/26/2020  7:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/26/2020  7:31 PM
I am just going go on a ledge and say this for posterity. Everyone saying draft Vassell better feel real secure in his skill level if you want to advocate drafting another SG to put behind RJ on the roster instead of a PG at 8.

Especially when next year’s draft has fantastic SF in it as well, so he might not be the best guy at that position next year either.

REAL F’ing SECURE!

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8/27/2020  3:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/27/2020  12:34 PM
wargames wrote:I am just going go on a ledge and say this for posterity. Everyone saying draft Vassell better feel real secure in his skill level if you want to advocate drafting another SG to put behind RJ on the roster instead of a PG at 8.

Especially when next year’s draft has fantastic SF in it as well, so he might not be the best guy at that position next year either.

REAL F’ing SECURE!

They're going BPA- likely Hayes and Haliburton will be gone by 8, so there's a lot let certainty a PG prospect to pick at our spot (much as I'm intrigued by Kira). You can never have enough SG/SF's these days, seeing as they get played at PF and C on a lot of teams.

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8/27/2020  11:14 AM
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wargames wrote:I am just going go on a ledge and say this for posterity. Everyone saying draft Vassell better feel real secure in his skill level if you want to advocate drafting another SG to put behind RJ on the roster instead of a PG at 8.

Especially when next year’s draft has fantastic SF in it as well, so he might not be the best guy at that position next year either.

REAL F’ing SECURE!

They're going BPA- likely Hayes and Haliburton will be gone by 8, so there's a lot let certainty a PG prospect to pick at our spot (much as I'm intrigued by Kira). You can never have enough SG/SG's these days, seeing as they get played at PF and C on a lot of teams.

Yup. Collect as many wings as you can. If they both turn out to be awesome, it's a great "problem" to have.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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8/27/2020  11:37 AM
https://www.nba.com/article/2020/05/21/fsu-devin-vassell-draft-feature

Good story on Devin Vassell. Seems like a high character guy who will work his butt off to maximize his talent.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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8/27/2020  1:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/28/2020  4:02 AM
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock

This mock would reduce me to tears- the 4 players I'd like go just ahead of us and we take Toppin And then to add insult to injury, I'd consider taking a chance on any of the following 8 players (apart from Cole

1) Wolves: Edwards
2) Warriors: Wiseman
3) Hornets: Deni
4) Bulls: Ball
5) Cavs: Okoro
6) Hawks: Vassell
7) Pistons: Haliburton
8) Knicks: Toppin
9) Wizards: Okongwu
10) Suns: Hayes
11) Spurs: Nesmith
12) Kings: Bey
13) Pelicans: Maxey
14) Celtics: Cole
15) Magic: Patrick Williams
16) Blazers: Kira Lewis

Think that would unite the board in terms of despair and fury!

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8/27/2020  5:10 PM
Find a way to give me two of Kira, Maxey, Vassell, and Terry and we have ourselves a draft.
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8/28/2020  11:56 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:Someone brought up Tyler Terry not sure if it was in this thread or another. But the more I watch of him the more intrigued I get. He has all the craft and shooting that we have seen excell in this league. And he fits in perfectly with what Frank & RJ bring to the table in the backcourt.

Same, I like his game, its really smooth.

I would offer teams the 25th pick, DSJ and cash to move up and get him if we go get a wing in the lotterty

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8/28/2020  12:28 PM
smackeddog wrote:https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock

This mock would reduce me to tears- the 4 players I'd like go just ahead of us and we take Toppin And then to add insult to injury, I'd consider taking a chance on any of the following 8 players (apart from Cole

1) Wolves: Edwards
2) Warriors: Wiseman
3) Hornets: Deni
4) Bulls: Ball
5) Cavs: Okoro
6) Hawks: Vassell
7) Pistons: Haliburton
8) Knicks: Toppin
9) Wizards: Okongwu
10) Suns: Hayes
11) Spurs: Nesmith
12) Kings: Bey
13) Pelicans: Maxey
14) Celtics: Cole
15) Magic: Patrick Williams
16) Blazers: Kira Lewis

Think that would unite the board in terms of despair and fury!


If the draft does go this way, it could open the door for us trade down with Boston. I've seen rumors that they are interested in Topping. BS season has officially begun, so I take everything I see and hear with a grain of salt.
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8/28/2020  6:09 PM
martin wrote:

Seriously, I hope the kid comes back. But now you can see why Sacramento and New Orleans didn't want to phuch with us and our KP proposals. It looks like we lost the deal, tho it's still early. But how much better would we have been if he had stayed. You can't be a franchise player if you don't play. You can't be counted on to give key input on front office moves if you can't play. He's talented, but he's not Luka or even Zion. Won't say I miss Phil, but he wasn't too far off on KP.
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8/30/2020  3:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/30/2020  4:16 AM

He looks skilled, but he doesn't look like he has the fire behind his eyes, and his body looks far from nba ready

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9/1/2020  12:35 PM
Nesmith or vessell at the 8 for me

Trade up to 14-18 using our other 2 draft picks and cash to get Terry or Cole Anthony.

Do we really need 3 rookies, with half our roster less than 3 years in

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