Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:With the shots I have taken at Trump, I have to say I'm no fan of Hilary either..Definately an election of lessor of two evils..

The thought of having someone with Hillary Clinton's record of incompetence and dishonesty leading this country. Commander in Chief Hillary Clinton is a total nightmare. A very frightening scenario that will put all our innocent lives at risk

Yesterday Trump said he would abandon NATO allies, specifically those that border Russia and wouldn't defend them. That type of policy, similar to when George Bush I signaled to Saddam that the US wouldn't do anything if Kuwait was invaded is FAR MORE dangerous than anything Hillary has ever even imagined. Putin surely heard that loud and clear and as when he invaded a sovereign European nation recently and annexed land by force you should be positively frightened by the prospect of Trump abandoning the NATO alliance.

Trump is a pathological liar and yet you blame Hillary for dishonesty. I feel like I'm living in la la land. And I'm no Hillary fan and she surely is cagey probably because she's been slandered incessantly for 30 years (By the way a Trump advisor called on her to be shot in front of a firing squad and or locked up for Benghazi when TWO republican lead congressional committees absolved her of any wrongdoing --that kind of talk is beyond the pale and disgusting).

So sure, Hillary is cagey and dishonest about stuff but Trump is literally a pathological liar and probably a sociopath who cares only about himself and who is also wholey ignorant about world and domestic issues. Dangerously ignorant.

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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/756151451005640705

And this is coming from a Republican...

MAtthew Yglesias is NOT a Republican. He is a Harvard grad, who worked for the Atlantic and now Vox. This is a typical hit piece.

Fair enough.

Substantively, what do you think Yglesias got wrong, specifically?

What first strikes me as funny is how a Liberal paper is now worried about a US presence throughout the globe to protect us. In the past this would be denoucned by the same paper as US imperialism.

Trump is talking money here. He is saying we have gotten ourselves into MASSIVE debt with all these programs and perhaps it is worth looking at pulling back some in order to get our house in order. That is how I read his comments. He even says it would be cheaper to just deploy rather than maintaining the presence the whole time. I don't know but perhaps he is right. I am not saying I agree but his answer is not lunacy as was portrayed by Yglesias.

I'll keep reading.

WaltLongmire wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:Meanwhile in Dwayne Wade's old town and still prehistoric raptor Bosh's current town...

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https://twitter.com/wsvn/status/755896679476244480

Yeah...saw this. F'n unbelievable. I just don't understand the mindset of some people.

That image of him on the ground with his hands up before being shot is going to be all over the nation and world.

CashMoney...where are you. You're an officer...what would you do in that situation?

I was the Head Dean in my HS for a number of years, and I worked with cops all the time, and considered some my friends. I am not anti-police, and always point out that I wouldn't want to be living in a society without them, BUT this is simply getting out of hand.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:With all Hillary has shown about herself, what do you see?

A person whose ambitions have led to questionable choices.

But I also see a person who dedicated her life to public service and to worthy causes a decades before being a senator from NY or Secretary of State or President was an obtainable goal.

Of the two candidates, I see someone whose biography is about actual public service.

To suggest the choices she made in her life have all been a grand scheme to be President is ludicrous.

IMO. Pence was great. IF showing you are a family person who believes in God and Country is "regressive" then so be it.

Exactly which President or VP candidate has NOT done that in their first convention speech?

Her speeches to Wall Street at $200K per were about public service? Selling our Uranium to Russia so they can sell it to Iran was in our public interest? Getting millions from the Saudi royal family was in the public's interests?

I don't know if any candidate has not said those things nor did I suggest that but I do know that when Pence says it you can believe him as he lives that life.

That isn't a response to what I wrote.

Can you acknowledge, not admire, but just at least acknowledge the woman Hillary Clinton has a biography of public service going back to her high school years (for Republican causes, btw)? Do you have any knowledge of her years at Yale or her early years in Arkansas?

Clinton is an highly imperfect candidate and yeah, a less imperfect candidate would be ideal. But this caricature of her is overblown.

She is a serious person and a serious intellect who has a track record of genuine concern about the welfare of children, and the poor and disadvantaged and public policy.

One may disagree with federally mandated or controlled universal healthcare (the issue that put her on the GOP map for scorn) but can anyone really question the intent, despite the philosophical divide on application?

I GET people hate her. I GET people's real concerns about her. I don't get why she needs to be a caricature.

Hyperbole is almost universally a sign of a lack of knowledge and/or conviction.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:What first strikes me as funny is how a Liberal paper is now worried about a US presence throughout the globe to protect us. In the past this would be denoucned by the same paper as US imperialism.

Why is this always the playbook?

Trump agreed to the interview. Agreed to it during the convention and the day his VP was being rolled out.

If you have a specific criticism of any of the specific questions asked, fair enough. Cite them.

But to impugn the venue out of a knee-jerk matter of habit/course is doing the discourse a disservice.

fishmike wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

meloanyk wrote:If Trump wins, one can only hope that his narcissistic bravado is a front not a disorder

It is not. If a person shows you themselves, believe them.

When asked what he hoped people would take away from the convention, Mr. Trump said, “The fact that I’m very well liked.”

With all Hillary has shown about herself, what do you see?

IMO. Pence was great. IF showing you are a family person who believes in God and Country is "regressive" then so be it.

Cruz was very good and Newt was clinical. The booing was theatrical. People still don't realize how to deal with what is going on. Pundits have been wrong since day one and many will be left scratching their heads the morning after election day.

Generally when I read those bold words in association with politics it *REALLY* "means gays are ruining the country, shoot a black man if he walks on your property and make sure your sons know the same."

I am not saying that about you, but those are the buzzwords and man I wish I was wrong.

I worry that you still have reason to worry about that in this country. I think we missed an opportunity to turn things for the better after BO won the Presidency. I don't read it that way but understand how you can.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:No criticisms of the questions at all. They hit the valid points.

Then why the drive-by, perfunctory shot at the Times?

Yglesias is who is slanting it.

Okay, how?

Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:With all Hillary has shown about herself, what do you see?

A person whose ambitions have led to questionable choices.

But I also see a person who dedicated her life to public service and to worthy causes a decades before being a senator from NY or Secretary of State or President was an obtainable goal.

Of the two candidates, I see someone whose biography is about actual public service.

To suggest the choices she made in her life have all been a grand scheme to be President is ludicrous.

IMO. Pence was great. IF showing you are a family person who believes in God and Country is "regressive" then so be it.

Exactly which President or VP candidate has NOT done that in their first convention speech?

Her speeches to Wall Street at $200K per were about public service? Selling our Uranium to Russia so they can sell it to Iran was in our public interest? Getting millions from the Saudi royal family was in the public's interests?

I don't know if any candidate has not said those things nor did I suggest that but I do know that when Pence says it you can believe him as he lives that life.

That isn't a response to what I wrote.

Can you acknowledge, not admire, but just at least acknowledge the woman Hillary Clinton has a biography of public service going back to her high school years (for Republican causes, btw)? Do you have any knowledge of her years at Yale or her early years in Arkansas?

Clinton is an highly imperfect candidate and yeah, a less imperfect candidate would be ideal. But this caricature of her is overblown.

She is a serious person and a serious intellect who has a track record of genuine concern about the welfare of children, and the poor and disadvantaged and public policy.

One may disagree with federally mandated or controlled universal healthcare (the issue that put her on the GOP map for scorn) but can anyone really question the intent, despite the philosophical divide on application?

I GET people hate her. I GET people's real concerns about her. I don't get why she needs to be a caricature.

Hyperbole is almost universally a sign of a lack of knowledge and/or conviction.

Honestly I do NOT know of her time before 1992. I will need to read up on it.

Judging what I see over the last 20+ years, she is repugnant to me.

I truly believe that with the pattern of corruption that seems to follow her, that she is not someone I could ever support. Bill is likable, she is not. I do not believe her intentions are for anyone's benefit but her own.

As I said before, I don't love either candidate. Judging from some of the posts here some of us may be better candidates.

As for being a caricature, were you equally worried about GWB being so maligned and mistreated and made a caricature of? I only say that because it happens both ways and to be fair we need to acknowledge it.

Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:No criticisms of the questions at all. They hit the valid points.

Then why the drive-by, perfunctory shot at the Times?

Yglesias is who is slanting it.

Okay, how?

Well, other than saying its a liberal paper, I don't know what shot I took at them.

Did you read his article? He leaves out many things that Trump said to clarify the quotes he took out and commented on. Slanted.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:No criticisms of the questions at all. They hit the valid points.

Then why the drive-by, perfunctory shot at the Times?

Yglesias is who is slanting it.

Okay, how?

Well, other than saying its a liberal paper, I don't know what shot I took at them.

It is the GOP's playbook to simply impugn the press out of course. You made certain to note it was a liberal paper only to find no liberal slant to the interview.

So what was the utility of the comment?

Did you read his article? He leaves out many things that Trump said to clarify the quotes he took out and commented on. Slanted.

I'm going to ask you this every time on every topic. Give me an example.

Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote: Judging what I see over the last 20+ years, she is repugnant to me.

Fair enough.

Can you name two reasons that pre-date her tenure of SoS?

I truly believe that with the pattern of corruption that seems to follow her, that she is not someone I could ever support. Bill is likable, she is not. I do not believe her intentions are for anyone's benefit but her own.

As for being a caricature, were you equally worried about GWB being so maligned and mistreated and made a caricature of?

What specifically are you referring to?

Hillarycare was supposed to be a transparent thing that was anything but.

Her calling a right wing conspiracy when her husband got nailed for getting some from an intern.

That she espoused to be for women's rights (feminism) and then still stays with a man that has so mistreated her over the years with his constant philandering. To me, that shows that she is in this just to be Pres. I'd have more respect for her position if she dumped him.

GWB?

The biggest is that he is stupid. That caricature of him continues to this day.

Here is a list of some portayals of GWB over the years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictionalized_portrayals_of_George_W._Bush#Death_of_a_President

WIll Ferrell's HBO special is not here. If I remember right there was another play that called for the killing of him.